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Post by billisonboard on Oct 30, 2019 9:52:32 GMT -5
Oh Boy, Really?? I know police have no responsibility to help you, if they don't want to,
But I did not think they could destroy an innocent persons house,, not pay to fix it! From the link: ... $5,000 in temporary rental assistance and for the insurance deductible. ... His out-of-pocket expenses to rebuild the house cost him nearly $400,000, he said. ... Was there insurance coverage or is the out-of-pocket expense legit? Not sure from the article. I think the government has a responsibility to "make whole" in this situation but not to "make rich". I would need a lot more detailed information to be certain what that means in this specific case.
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Post by OldCoyote on Oct 30, 2019 10:18:18 GMT -5
$5000 makes him whole?
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Post by billisonboard on Oct 30, 2019 10:30:00 GMT -5
Seems low but "I would need a lot more detailed information to be certain what (makes whole) means in this specific case."
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Post by OldCoyote on Oct 30, 2019 10:34:22 GMT -5
You know Bill, I know you are PRO government,,, but sometimes,,,,sigh.
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Post by billisonboard on Oct 30, 2019 10:43:35 GMT -5
You know Bill, I know you are PRO government,,, but sometimes,,,,sigh. I see this as pro taxpayer.
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Post by OldCoyote on Nov 8, 2019 9:45:33 GMT -5
The failure of police depts to remove bad cops. Again protecting their own! Police investigating police, works every time!
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Post by OldCoyote on Nov 17, 2019 21:42:45 GMT -5
An inventory was ordered back in 2015, they now found them.
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Post by OldCoyote on Nov 29, 2019 8:49:19 GMT -5
Again, police shoot some one, or in this case two, the problem is,, one of them is a 15 Y.O. innocent guitar player.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2019 8:57:08 GMT -5
We have a different problem with our sheriffs department.
They make no effort to go after people convicted of theft and ordered to pay restitution for what they have stolen from the victims, until there was a big uproar. I
Almost 3 million in uncollected fines, restitution.
The department's solution, don't prosecute.
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Post by OldCoyote on Dec 5, 2019 9:56:18 GMT -5
Really lucky she is not dead!!
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Post by OldCoyote on Dec 5, 2019 21:42:56 GMT -5
Here is another stupid police shooting,, shooting of an unarmed innocent man,,,The police start by lying about the man,, change their story afterwards!! This will be another case of police investigating police!! What could possible go wrong,,
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Post by billisonboard on Dec 5, 2019 23:35:21 GMT -5
... 2018/03/18/... This will be another case ... Actually, it was another case ...
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Post by OldCoyote on Dec 6, 2019 10:32:20 GMT -5
Most certainly looks like the police killed the innocent UPS driver, wonder if it was also the police bullets that killed the other bystander? Is there any point where police shooting innocent people become unacceptable??
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Post by spartyparty on Dec 6, 2019 15:42:02 GMT -5
"Is there any point where police shooting innocent people become unacceptable??"
Nope, not until the "thoughts and prayers" crowd dies off.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2019 16:09:16 GMT -5
"Is there any point where police shooting innocent people become unacceptable??" Nope, not until the "thoughts and prayers" crowd dies off. When they die off, then no one will care.
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Post by spartyparty on Dec 6, 2019 16:19:06 GMT -5
"Is there any point where police shooting innocent people become unacceptable??" Nope, not until the "thoughts and prayers" crowd dies off. When they die off, then no one will care. Hardly...when all they offer is "thoughts and prayers" for change. Everyone else would push to be more like the rest of the free world.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2019 11:34:42 GMT -5
When they die off, then no one will care. Hardly...when all they offer is "thoughts and prayers" for change. Everyone else would push to be more like the rest of the free world. Get to work on the pushing. The system is in place for eliminating the Second Amendment. Good chance to find out how true your premise of 'everyone else' is. I even used a CBS link to pre-eliminate the squawk factor. Quote; While it's theoretically possible to change the Constitution this way, "that's never happened since the Constitution was ratified," said Kevin McMahon, an expert in constitutional law and a professor of political science at Trinity College in Hartford, Connecticut.
In the history of the United States, the only amendment that's ever been repealed is Prohibition. The 21st Amendment, in 1933, repealed the 18th Amendment, of 1919, which prohibited the making, transportation and sale of alcohol.
McMahon told CBS News it's "very unlikely" that the Second Amendment could ever be repealed.
"It's hard enough for gun control legislation to be passed now in the Congress which requires simply a simple majority," he said.
A repeal would require "a sea change" in how Americans think about gun control and the right to bear arms, McMahon said.
"I would never say it's impossible," but "it is very difficult to enact a constitutional amendment,"www.cbsnews.com/news/repealing-the-second-amendment-is-it-even-possible/
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Post by OldCoyote on Dec 9, 2019 23:06:46 GMT -5
At least eighteen police officers were involved in the holdup, UPS hostage shoot out, that killed the two robbers, the innocent UPS driver, and a innocent bystander.
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Post by spartyparty on Dec 11, 2019 11:11:50 GMT -5
Hardly...when all they offer is "thoughts and prayers" for change. Everyone else would push to be more like the rest of the free world. Get to work on the pushing. The system is in place for eliminating the Second Amendment. Good chance to find out how true your premise of 'everyone else' is. I even used a CBS link to pre-eliminate the squawk factor. Quote; While it's theoretically possible to change the Constitution this way, "that's never happened since the Constitution was ratified," said Kevin McMahon, an expert in constitutional law and a professor of political science at Trinity College in Hartford, Connecticut.
In the history of the United States, the only amendment that's ever been repealed is Prohibition. The 21st Amendment, in 1933, repealed the 18th Amendment, of 1919, which prohibited the making, transportation and sale of alcohol.
McMahon told CBS News it's "very unlikely" that the Second Amendment could ever be repealed.
"It's hard enough for gun control legislation to be passed now in the Congress which requires simply a simple majority," he said.
A repeal would require "a sea change" in how Americans think about gun control and the right to bear arms, McMahon said.
"I would never say it's impossible," but "it is very difficult to enact a constitutional amendment,"www.cbsnews.com/news/repealing-the-second-amendment-is-it-even-possible/Um okay... harvardpolitics.com/online/lessons-inspector-clouseau-americas-police-can-learn-european-nations/Europeans achieve responsible policing by first centralizing their police standards, which ensures that every police department and academy teaches the same material. In the Netherlands, Norway, and Finland, after receiving some form of postsecondary education, the government requires police attend a national police academy for three years to learn this centralized material. In Germany, the process takes at least 130 weeks—more than two full years of preparation. European training is longer because the departments deem it necessary to give officers an all-inclusive and thorough police training to practice communicating with emotionally disturbed individuals and to approach various scenarios through the lens of conflict resolution, rather than one of violence. Despite the United States’ heavy reliance on police, America has one of the most untrained police forces in the Western world. In North Carolina, it takes 1,528 hours to become a licensed barber; to be a police officer it only takes 620. In Louisiana, police need only 360 hours of training, while licensed manicurists need no fewer than 500 hours. While we can all feel safe visiting a North Carolina barber or Louisiana manicurist, being properly protected by law enforcement in those states is not guaranteed. These disturbing numbers aren’t just reserved to a couple of states either. The average American police training lasts only 19 weeks. This rushed mode of training is inextricably linked to the disorganized and overly gun-reliant local American police forces. Professor Peter Kraska at Eastern Kentucky University showed that 80 percent of police paramilitary deployments were for “proactive” applicants—meaning instances of police-initiated violence, not in response to civilian violence. These deployments are employed by local police departments who don’t have the resources to appropriately respond to threats. As a result, Kraska has recorded 275 instances of “seriously botched” SWAT raids on private homes, many of which resulted in innocent civilians being killed. While it is noteworthy that some American police departments prioritize de-escalation, these disjointed and decentralized police standards have led to the evolution of two types of police departments: those focusing on militarized force and those focusing on peaceful de-escalation. The former is primarily responsible for the increase in police shootings; the latter are departments who adhere to more European principles. The former of the two departments is the problem. In the year 2016, the number of fatal police shootings in the United States has totaled a record 963. Countless police officers and politicians have defended these high numbers by blaming the American people’s aggression or the multitude of guns in our country. Most of these opponents use this reasoning to justify not increasing police training. But knife violence in England is a major issue despite British police only killing one person with a knife since 2013. In America, knives aren’t a major tool for violence, but our police have killed more than 575 people wielding knives since 2013. The weapons aren’t the problem, police training is.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2019 13:40:45 GMT -5
Get to work on the pushing. The system is in place for eliminating the Second Amendment. Good chance to find out how true your premise of 'everyone else' is. I even used a CBS link to pre-eliminate the squawk factor. Quote; While it's theoretically possible to change the Constitution this way, "that's never happened since the Constitution was ratified," said Kevin McMahon, an expert in constitutional law and a professor of political science at Trinity College in Hartford, Connecticut.
In the history of the United States, the only amendment that's ever been repealed is Prohibition. The 21st Amendment, in 1933, repealed the 18th Amendment, of 1919, which prohibited the making, transportation and sale of alcohol.
McMahon told CBS News it's "very unlikely" that the Second Amendment could ever be repealed.
"It's hard enough for gun control legislation to be passed now in the Congress which requires simply a simple majority," he said.
A repeal would require "a sea change" in how Americans think about gun control and the right to bear arms, McMahon said.
"I would never say it's impossible," but "it is very difficult to enact a constitutional amendment,"www.cbsnews.com/news/repealing-the-second-amendment-is-it-even-possible/Um okay... harvardpolitics.com/online/lessons-inspector-clouseau-americas-police-can-learn-european-nations/Europeans achieve responsible policing by first centralizing their police standards, which ensures that every police department and academy teaches the same material. In the Netherlands, Norway, and Finland, after receiving some form of postsecondary education, the government requires police attend a national police academy for three years to learn this centralized material. In Germany, the process takes at least 130 weeks—more than two full years of preparation. European training is longer because the departments deem it necessary to give officers an all-inclusive and thorough police training to practice communicating with emotionally disturbed individuals and to approach various scenarios through the lens of conflict resolution, rather than one of violence. Despite the United States’ heavy reliance on police, America has one of the most untrained police forces in the Western world. In North Carolina, it takes 1,528 hours to become a licensed barber; to be a police officer it only takes 620. In Louisiana, police need only 360 hours of training, while licensed manicurists need no fewer than 500 hours. While we can all feel safe visiting a North Carolina barber or Louisiana manicurist, being properly protected by law enforcement in those states is not guaranteed. These disturbing numbers aren’t just reserved to a couple of states either. The average American police training lasts only 19 weeks. This rushed mode of training is inextricably linked to the disorganized and overly gun-reliant local American police forces. Professor Peter Kraska at Eastern Kentucky University showed that 80 percent of police paramilitary deployments were for “proactive” applicants—meaning instances of police-initiated violence, not in response to civilian violence. These deployments are employed by local police departments who don’t have the resources to appropriately respond to threats. As a result, Kraska has recorded 275 instances of “seriously botched” SWAT raids on private homes, many of which resulted in innocent civilians being killed. While it is noteworthy that some American police departments prioritize de-escalation, these disjointed and decentralized police standards have led to the evolution of two types of police departments: those focusing on militarized force and those focusing on peaceful de-escalation. The former is primarily responsible for the increase in police shootings; the latter are departments who adhere to more European principles. The former of the two departments is the problem. In the year 2016, the number of fatal police shootings in the United States has totaled a record 963. Countless police officers and politicians have defended these high numbers by blaming the American people’s aggression or the multitude of guns in our country. Most of these opponents use this reasoning to justify not increasing police training. But knife violence in England is a major issue despite British police only killing one person with a knife since 2013. In America, knives aren’t a major tool for violence, but our police have killed more than 575 people wielding knives since 2013. The weapons aren’t the problem, police training is. I was commenting on the Second Amendment in regards to firearms rights and your claim of "everyone else". You answer with policing stats and protocols. ? A straw man is a form of argument and an informal fallacy based on giving the impression of refuting an opponent's argument, while actually refuting an argument that was not presented by that opponent.[1] One who engages in this fallacy is said to be "attacking a straw man". en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man
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Post by spartyparty on Dec 11, 2019 16:03:48 GMT -5
Um okay... harvardpolitics.com/online/lessons-inspector-clouseau-americas-police-can-learn-european-nations/Europeans achieve responsible policing by first centralizing their police standards, which ensures that every police department and academy teaches the same material. In the Netherlands, Norway, and Finland, after receiving some form of postsecondary education, the government requires police attend a national police academy for three years to learn this centralized material. In Germany, the process takes at least 130 weeks—more than two full years of preparation. European training is longer because the departments deem it necessary to give officers an all-inclusive and thorough police training to practice communicating with emotionally disturbed individuals and to approach various scenarios through the lens of conflict resolution, rather than one of violence. Despite the United States’ heavy reliance on police, America has one of the most untrained police forces in the Western world. In North Carolina, it takes 1,528 hours to become a licensed barber; to be a police officer it only takes 620. In Louisiana, police need only 360 hours of training, while licensed manicurists need no fewer than 500 hours. While we can all feel safe visiting a North Carolina barber or Louisiana manicurist, being properly protected by law enforcement in those states is not guaranteed. These disturbing numbers aren’t just reserved to a couple of states either. The average American police training lasts only 19 weeks. This rushed mode of training is inextricably linked to the disorganized and overly gun-reliant local American police forces. Professor Peter Kraska at Eastern Kentucky University showed that 80 percent of police paramilitary deployments were for “proactive” applicants—meaning instances of police-initiated violence, not in response to civilian violence. These deployments are employed by local police departments who don’t have the resources to appropriately respond to threats. As a result, Kraska has recorded 275 instances of “seriously botched” SWAT raids on private homes, many of which resulted in innocent civilians being killed. While it is noteworthy that some American police departments prioritize de-escalation, these disjointed and decentralized police standards have led to the evolution of two types of police departments: those focusing on militarized force and those focusing on peaceful de-escalation. The former is primarily responsible for the increase in police shootings; the latter are departments who adhere to more European principles. The former of the two departments is the problem. In the year 2016, the number of fatal police shootings in the United States has totaled a record 963. Countless police officers and politicians have defended these high numbers by blaming the American people’s aggression or the multitude of guns in our country. Most of these opponents use this reasoning to justify not increasing police training. But knife violence in England is a major issue despite British police only killing one person with a knife since 2013. In America, knives aren’t a major tool for violence, but our police have killed more than 575 people wielding knives since 2013. The weapons aren’t the problem, police training is. I was commenting on the Second Amendment in regards to firearms rights and your claim of "everyone else". You answer with policing stats and protocols. ? A straw man is a form of argument and an informal fallacy based on giving the impression of refuting an opponent's argument, while actually refuting an argument that was not presented by that opponent.[1] One who engages in this fallacy is said to be "attacking a straw man". en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_manI never said anything about the 2nd amendment. Conservatives generally don't like change and they certainly don't want to do anything like any of those "Socialist" countries (aka the rest of the free world).
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2019 8:51:13 GMT -5
I was commenting on the Second Amendment in regards to firearms rights and your claim of "everyone else". You answer with policing stats and protocols. ? A straw man is a form of argument and an informal fallacy based on giving the impression of refuting an opponent's argument, while actually refuting an argument that was not presented by that opponent.[1] One who engages in this fallacy is said to be "attacking a straw man". en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_manI never said anything about the 2nd amendment. Conservatives generally don't like change and they certainly don't want to do anything like any of those "Socialist" countries (aka the rest of the free world). Ok. I guess it's a level of freedom thing. (your reference to free world) Or they believe in more self responsibility over state directive. To broad a subject to cover in less than a thousand pages over here.
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Post by OldCoyote on Dec 17, 2019 18:11:18 GMT -5
He said Durham was charged with misdemeanors rather than felonies because the boy did not suffer serious bodily injuries.
Absolute bull shit!! If this had been anyone other than a cop,, they would have had felony on top of felony charged!!
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Post by billisonboard on Dec 17, 2019 18:21:17 GMT -5
He said Durham was charged with misdemeanors rather than felonies because the boy did not suffer serious bodily injuries.
Absolute bull shit!! If this had been anyone other than a cop,, they would have had felony on top of felony charged!!
Fired quickly. Charges filed promptly. Good enough? Nope.
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Post by OldCoyote on Dec 17, 2019 18:32:59 GMT -5
If this had been anyone but a cop, They would be in jail,, with a dozen felony charges against them!! Way more than a double standard!
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Post by billisonboard on Dec 17, 2019 18:36:59 GMT -5
If this had been anyone but a cop, They would be in jail,, with a dozen felony charges against them!! Way more than a double standard!
Yes, we fully understand your position on such.
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Post by OldCoyote on Dec 17, 2019 18:50:37 GMT -5
If this had been anyone but a cop, They would be in jail,, with a dozen felony charges against them!! Way more than a double standard!
Yes, we fully understand your position on such. Do you think that child did not have injuries after being slammed to the floor two times?? I am sure the Investigator ignored any fact like that,, Police investigating police works every time,,
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