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Post by steph08 on Feb 17, 2018 18:33:31 GMT -5
Oh look, another thread bashing Disney. I'm as shocked as everyone else... Seriously. If you don't like it, don't go. Don't keep posting threads about it. <snip> For one thing, the link provided updated pricing information. It also provided an interesting discussion of the economics (surprisingly inelastic demand, their price increases vs. historic rates of inflation, ways to tweak the pricing to make it more rational). "have went"? Bahahahaha. I would say something, but I don't want to get banned. I like that pointing out a grammatical error is your comeback because you know I am right that you post these threads all the time. Sorry that posting from my phone while doing other things doesn't lend itself to the best use of grammar and auto correct. Get over yourself. It is always the same undertone - "I am so much more cultured because I would spend my money on snorkeling in Puerto Rico instead of stupid Disney. What a bunch of uncultured fools you are all to spend $200/day on a ticket." You don't take the economics into account because if you did one ounce of research, you would discover that the cost per day goes down significantly if you go for a longer vacation, which most people do since there are four parks to see. Anyway, I'm out!
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Post by gooddecisions on Feb 17, 2018 18:37:53 GMT -5
My in-laws are dying to go and say it's on their bucket list. So I will probably have to bite the bullet and figure it out. I don't think they will make us pay for them, but it does mean even more effort and even less fun for me. So, tell 'em to go! No reason that should compel you to spend limited time and resources to do something that doesn't interest you. $8,000-$12,000 for Disney is insane. I'm seriously considering a cruise to the Galapagos that will likely run me $12,000+ but that's real, not audio-animatronic. We have gone several times to Disney and Universal, getting harder for me to walk and I don't want a wheel chair. Does Disney still let anyone in a wheel chair (and those accompanying them) go to the head of the line? Too bad they cracked down on people with legitimate physical limitations renting themselves out as "family members" to groups who wanted to skip the lines. You could have paid for your vacation that way! Except the main reason that Disney is on their bucket list is because they didn't get to go with their other grandchildren and they aren't offering to take mine. They want us to plan our next vacation there so they can come too. They are extremely frugal so we would likely have to foot the bill unless we were fine with them sleeping in their mini van in a Walmart parking lot. They have never even tried the local amusement park with my kids and that is a long, exhausting day, so I think they have forgotten what life is really like with a toddler, preschooler and kindergartener.
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Post by countrygirl2 on Feb 17, 2018 20:23:09 GMT -5
My inlaws went to Disney all the time, they never invited our kids even once. I don't know if they did the other grandkids or not, I doubt it. FIL was all about him, he wouldn't spend money on anyone. I will pay to take grandson when he is big enough if I'm still able to go. However, I rather doubt I'm able as I don't know what 4 or 5 more years will bring.
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Post by Tiny on Feb 18, 2018 11:32:19 GMT -5
Meh. Disney was always kind of 'expensive'. And the $200 a day per person isn't that outrageous compared to other forms of entertainment: sporting events, live theater tickets, pop culture music shows... Other amusement parks also seem to be $100 a day per person... and I'm not sure you get the ambiance that is Disney.
Is this an example of the "divide" in incomes in America... There's entertainment for the wealthy and then entertainment for everyone else?
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Post by NoNamePerson on Feb 18, 2018 11:40:59 GMT -5
Americans are NOT the only people who go to Disney!! Tourist Who cares how anyone spends their vacation money except maybe travel snobs? Some people can't afford Disney and some people can't afford the entrance to a National Park.
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Post by dannylion on Feb 18, 2018 11:54:04 GMT -5
I grew up in southern California and went to Disneyland when it opened (I think I was about 5). I enjoyed Disneyland over the years, but the only experience I would like to repeat at this stage of my life would be Mr. Toad's Wild Ride. I always loved Mr. Toad's Wild Ride. I had thought maybe I would visit Orlando and go to Disney World and also see Epcot Center, which sounded interesting. Then I learned that Mr. Toad's Wild Ride has been eliminated from Disney World, so that's not going to happen. What is the point of going to Disney World if there is no Mr. Toad's Wild Ride? What were they thinking?
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Post by NancysSummerSip on Feb 18, 2018 13:05:23 GMT -5
Oh look, another thread bashing Disney. I'm as shocked as everyone else... Seriously. If you don't like it, don't go. Don't keep posting threads about it. I love Disney. I just ran the Walt Disney Marathon in January for the second time. I paid about $700 to stay on-site for five nights with a park hopper ticket for all days. It really wasn't that expensive for the level of entertainment that you receive. Rides, shows, amazing fireworks, transportation included, etc. Disney knows their shit. For the parks and for races. Look - I'm a taxpaying citizen with a graduate degree that contributes to society and has traveled to a whole crapload of countries and a lot of US states. If I want to spend my hard earned paycheck and life loving Disney and indoctrinating my kids to do the same, I will. For what it's worth, I have also went scuba diving in the Disney aquarium in Epcot with a lot of tropical fish and the cost of the dive all went to charity. I am in the Disney hater group, but I am thrilled you ran the marathon; I wondered if you did. It's good to know you are up and running, literally.
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Post by Cheesy FL-Vol on Feb 18, 2018 13:05:26 GMT -5
I grew up in southern California and went to Disneyland when it opened (I think I was about 5). I enjoyed Disneyland over the years, but the only experience I would like to repeat at this stage of my life would be Mr. Toad's Wild Ride. I always loved Mr. Toad's Wild Ride. I had thought maybe I would visit Orlando and go to Disney World and also see Epcot Center, which sounded interesting. Then I learned that Mr. Toad's Wild Ride has been eliminated from Disney World, so that's not going to happen. What is the point of going to Disney World if there is no Mr. Toad's Wild Ride? What were they thinking? DH says the same thing for a LOT of rides that no longer exist at Disney World. I could be mistaken, but I don't think DW ever had Mr. Toad's Wild Ride. Epcot was a huge disappointment when we were there in November. The last time we were there was either Nov 2001 or 2002. They have removed any cultural learning displays. In the case of the China area, they removed items in the mini museum and replaced it all with displays of their Disney Shanghai. In the (Norway?) area, they replaced the small cultural display which we are almost positive held a replica of a Viking ship with Frozen merchandise. In my opinion, the only reason to ever go back to Epcot is to sample the food and beverages from different countries and maybe any cultural performances which were pretty cool.
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Post by thyme4change on Feb 18, 2018 16:48:03 GMT -5
Disney world is about a 13 hour drive from me, without stopping, so we would likely fly. I have a family of 5. If I felt like I could do a 1 week trip for $3000, I wouldn't mind Disney. However, whenever I scout this info, families are spending $8000-12000 on their Disney vacations. We have season passes to the local amusement park, with more rides and less walking. I've been to Disney when I was a kid and an adult and I just can't onboard with shelling out that kind of money. My in-laws are dying to go and say it's on their bucket list. So I will probably have to bite the bullet and figure it out. I don't think they will make us pay for them, but it does mean even more effort and even less fun for me. We spend $8 to 12k on every vacation. Chicago, New York, California, Cancun, DC, etc.
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Post by gooddecisions on Feb 18, 2018 18:16:45 GMT -5
Disney world is about a 13 hour drive from me, without stopping, so we would likely fly. I have a family of 5. If I felt like I could do a 1 week trip for $3000, I wouldn't mind Disney. However, whenever I scout this info, families are spending $8000-12000 on their Disney vacations. We have season passes to the local amusement park, with more rides and less walking. I've been to Disney when I was a kid and an adult and I just can't onboard with shelling out that kind of money. My in-laws are dying to go and say it's on their bucket list. So I will probably have to bite the bullet and figure it out. I don't think they will make us pay for them, but it does mean even more effort and even less fun for me. We spend $8 to 12k on every vacation. Chicago, New York, California, Cancun, DC, etc. I rarely spend more than $2-$3k, so it's a pretty significant jump for a vacation that I'm not dying to splurge on.
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Post by MJ2.0 on Feb 18, 2018 18:23:02 GMT -5
Disney world is about a 13 hour drive from me, without stopping, so we would likely fly. I have a family of 5. If I felt like I could do a 1 week trip for $3000, I wouldn't mind Disney. However, whenever I scout this info, families are spending $8000-12000 on their Disney vacations. We have season passes to the local amusement park, with more rides and less walking. I've been to Disney when I was a kid and an adult and I just can't onboard with shelling out that kind of money. My in-laws are dying to go and say it's on their bucket list. So I will probably have to bite the bullet and figure it out. I don't think they will make us pay for them, but it does mean even more effort and even less fun for me. We spend $8 to 12k on every vacation. Chicago, New York, California, Cancun, DC, etc. talk about wondering why people spend money to go to certain places... maybe it's because I live relatively close to NYC, but I don't understand people going to the city for vacation. It's loud, cramped, impersonal, EXPENSIVE AS HELL, and IMO good enough for a weekend max.
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Post by beergut on Feb 18, 2018 18:29:28 GMT -5
Harry Potter World is the only thing that tempts me about Disney.
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Post by swamp on Feb 18, 2018 18:37:51 GMT -5
Harry Potter World is the only thing that tempts me about Disney. Harry Potter world is a universal.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2018 18:46:46 GMT -5
I rarely spend more than $2-$3k, so it's a pretty significant jump for a vacation that I'm not dying to splurge on. Yeah, I'd draw the line at that, too- or tell the in-laws that your typical budget for a vacation is no more than $3K but you'd love to go to Disney as a family if they'll put up the remainder! I used to have Australia and NZ on my bucket list. Then I looked at Business Class airfare. (I will NOT fly that far in Coach and even my stash of 170,000 AA miles wouldn't do it.) It's now off my bucket list. Everyone has his/her boundaries. And, getting back to Disney- the one really good day I had there was a free afternoon when I was attending a conference- a combination Discovery Island and water park (Typhoon Lagoon?) ticket. Discovery Island was a wildlife refuge- no food stands, places where you could look ancient tortoises in the eyes (through a fence), flocks of flamingoes...it got closed down. No money in it, I guess. I remember the water park had a zipline over it and a tube down an artificial mountain- both tame by today's standards but great fun for a 30-something who wanted to act like a 5-year old for a day. I think that's gone, too. Both were settings as close as you could get to "natural" for Disney.
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Post by swamp on Feb 18, 2018 19:03:35 GMT -5
Typhoon lagoon is still there. And a ton of fun. I love water parks.
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Post by swamp on Feb 18, 2018 19:09:36 GMT -5
And I'm so over being told my weight is a factor in health. I've got several health issues that are just bad genes. The most recent (a heart valve defect) has bupkis to do with size.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2018 19:18:54 GMT -5
And I'm so over being told my weight is a factor in health. I've got several health issues that are just bad genes. The most recent (a heart valve defect) has bupkis to do with size. My mantra is "prevent what's preventable". I know that my own health is due partly to very good genes and partly to luck. I also know that if I lived on pork rinds and high-fructose corn syrup and were carrying an extra 100 lbs. I probably would not have gotten through 3.5 years between retirement and Medicare with only minimal OOP costs (plus, of course over $20K in health insurance premiums).
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Post by swamp on Feb 18, 2018 19:43:05 GMT -5
And I'm so over being told my weight is a factor in health. I've got several health issues that are just bad genes. The most recent (a heart valve defect) has bupkis to do with size. My mantra is "prevent what's preventable". I know that my own health is due partly to very good genes and partly to luck. I also know that if I lived on pork rinds and high-fructose corn syrup and were carrying an extra 100 lbs. I probably would not have gotten through 3.5 years between retirement and Medicare with only minimal OOP costs (plus, of course over $20K in health insurance premiums). Good for you. You're lucky to have those good genes. But you do realize there is a difference between "living on pork rinds and high fructose corn syrup" and strictly following a diet. Even if if I ran marathons and was vegan, I would still have a thyroid disorder, polycystic ovaries with insulin resistance and a heart defect. I also have a herniated disc because I fell on the ice twice in one day, both times carrying groceries. My health care costs will be high. I am the reason premiums suck.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2018 19:55:57 GMT -5
Even if if I ran marathons and was vegan, I would still have a thyroid disorder, polycystic ovaries with insulin resistance and a heart defect. I also have a herniated disc because I fell on the ice twice in one day, both times carrying groceries. My health care costs will be high. I am the reason premiums suck. Understood. That's why I stress "preventable". And marathons can be their own kind of craziness. My gorgeous uncle with the ripped abs who was a marathon runner died of a heart attack at 42.
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Post by beergut on Feb 19, 2018 7:14:33 GMT -5
Harry Potter World is the only thing that tempts me about Disney. Harry Potter world is a universal. So I could just go there and completely avoid Disney?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2018 7:26:19 GMT -5
Yes, you can just do Universal. Also, Hollywood is probably our favorite Disney. You could also just go to a single Disney park if you wanted, although as stated single days are more expensive tickets.
Universal has 2 parks. You want a 2 park pass to do Harry Potter World. It’s in both parks (London/Diagon Alley in one, Hogwarts/Hogsmead in the other), and you can’t ride the Hogwarts Express without a 2 park ticket.
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Post by Cheesy FL-Vol on Feb 19, 2018 8:38:01 GMT -5
Harry Potter world is a universal. So I could just go there and completely avoid Disney? Yep! Universal is not even affiliated with Disney.
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Post by wvugurl26 on Feb 19, 2018 9:24:02 GMT -5
Yes, you can just do Universal. Also, Hollywood is probably our favorite Disney. You could also just go to a single Disney park if you wanted, although as stated single days are more expensive tickets. Universal has 2 parks. You want a 2 park pass to do Harry Potter World. It’s in both parks (London/Diagon Alley in one, Hogwarts/Hogsmead in the other), and you can’t ride the Hogwarts Express without a 2 park ticket. And you have to ride the train!
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Post by thyme4change on Feb 19, 2018 12:12:38 GMT -5
And I'm so over being told my weight is a factor in health. I've got several health issues that are just bad genes. The most recent (a heart valve defect) has bupkis to do with size. I happen to be within normal weight range, and people think I am athletic, and expect me to do things, like run up mountains and such. Weight isn't everything.
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Post by swamp on Feb 19, 2018 12:26:18 GMT -5
And I'm so over being told my weight is a factor in health. I've got several health issues that are just bad genes. The most recent (a heart valve defect) has bupkis to do with size. I happen to be within normal weight range, and people think I am athletic, and expect me to do things, like run up mountains and such. Weight isn't everything. People are surprised when i make it through a kickboxing or zumba class, or do a sprint triathlon. You're right. Weight isn't everything.
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Post by Ryan on Feb 19, 2018 14:58:28 GMT -5
I'm confused how the topic of weight entered into this discussion, but anyways.
I love Disney, it's expensive but isn't everything expensive these days?
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Post by taz157 on Feb 19, 2018 15:21:32 GMT -5
DD and I loved it when we had the Weekday Pass to go to Disney. We went 6 times while we had the pass. If we didn’t live 3 hours away, we would have gone more I’m sure. Not that we live out of state and more like 14.5 hours away, it will be a while before we go again. When we go again, we will go for a few days and get the park hopper. We won’t be doing the One Day Pass.
With Universal, I didn’t care for it when I went there in 2005. Things may have changed since then but I didn’t like it. Regarding Harry Potter, never read the books nor watched the movie. My DD isn’t into Harry Potter either. She’s more into Star Wars, which is at Disney.
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Post by hoops902 on Feb 19, 2018 18:12:14 GMT -5
If you really wanted to make bad decisions...yes, you could spend nearly $200 for one day at Disney. That's for a 1-day ticket, peak price, and a ticket to visit ALL the parks on that one day. I wouldn't call that any kind of a traditional family vacation (one day, visiting all parks, then leaving). It would probably cost you $200 anywhere if you decided that you wanted to spend your time visiting 4 amusement parks all in the span of 1 day...but who does that?
For a more..."likely" experience...if you wanted to visit more than 1 day and only go to 1 park per day...you're looking back closer to $100/day.
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Post by justme on Feb 20, 2018 18:51:53 GMT -5
I rarely spend more than $2-$3k, so it's a pretty significant jump for a vacation that I'm not dying to splurge on. Yeah, I'd draw the line at that, too- or tell the in-laws that your typical budget for a vacation is no more than $3K but you'd love to go to Disney as a family if they'll put up the remainder! I used to have Australia and NZ on my bucket list. Then I looked at Business Class airfare. (I will NOT fly that far in Coach and even my stash of 170,000 AA miles wouldn't do it.) It's now off my bucket list. Everyone has his/her boundaries. And, getting back to Disney- the one really good day I had there was a free afternoon when I was attending a conference- a combination Discovery Island and water park (Typhoon Lagoon?) ticket. Discovery Island was a wildlife refuge- no food stands, places where you could look ancient tortoises in the eyes (through a fence), flocks of flamingoes...it got closed down. No money in it, I guess. I remember the water park had a zipline over it and a tube down an artificial mountain- both tame by today's standards but great fun for a 30-something who wanted to act like a 5-year old for a day. I think that's gone, too. Both were settings as close as you could get to "natural" for Disney. Discovery island was closed after animal kingdom was opened. The facility was old and they chose to move the animals to the new facilities at animal kingdom. Not as many were going to discovery island after ak opened either. The water park you're talking about is river country not typhoon lagoon. It was an old water park that they shut down for a number of reasons - it was old and needed updating, safety issues, issues with getting people to and from the park, issues with the water being filtered from the lake vs fully chlorinated, opening two new parks that were way more popular, etc.
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Post by shanendoah on Feb 20, 2018 19:18:44 GMT -5
Ticket prices went up. Ticket prices go up. It's what happens. Maybe ticket prices will go up enough that people will self-select out of the demand, and then ticket prices will go down again, who knows?
What I do know is that there are reasons to go to the Disney parks that have nothing to do with "Disney". I have a few friends who will almost always plan their big vacations to Disney parks because they have serious food issues, and Disney actually cares about that. My friends who have Celiacs can eat at EVERY SINGLE food outlet in the Disney parks. At the kiosks, they have to ask to talk to the chef, but every single food spot in Disney can accommodate their food issues. It is one of the few places they can go and feel like a "normal" person. This includes the friend who has Celiacs, a dairy allergy, a beef allergy, and a grape allergy, as well as the one who is so sensitive to cross-contamination, that the gluten in her cats' food was making her sick.
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