Sick: 13 Children Hospitalized, Parents Jailed

[Tennesseer]

Some of the 'Children' as old as 29.


13 Children Hospitalized, Parents Jailed on Torture Charges

A Perris, California, mother and father are behind bars Monday after one of their children escaped their home and reported to sheriff’s deputies that 12 of her siblings were still being held captive at their home, some of them shackled with chains and padlocks to their beds.

All of the children appeared to malnourished when they were found Sunday, some so severely that deputies initially believed the adult children to be kids, according to a statement from the Riverside County Sheriff’s Department.

“Deputies located what they believed to be 12 children inside the house, but were shocked to discover that 7 of them were actually adults, ranging in age from 18 to 29,” read the statement. “The victims appeared to be malnourished and very dirty.”

Complete article here:13 Children Hospitalized, Parents Jailed on Torture Charges

[NastyWoman]

Somehow life without parole in a medieval dungeon (not modernized) comes to mind as a fitting punishment

[Tennesseer]

I wonder if this guy fathered some of the kids with his older daughters.

[dee27]

[kadee79]

Really, really sick! 

[Jaguar]

Quote from David Turpin's parents "The distraught grandparents added that David and Louise Turpin are considered a good Christian family in their community, saying they can't understand “any of this."

abcnews.go.com/US/13-siblings-ages-29-held-captive-parents-shackled/story?id=52364267


www.cnn.com/2018/01/15/us/california-13-people-held-captive-in-home/index.html

[zibazinski]

Yeah, their mug shots sure looked like good Christians. More like heroin addicts.

[wvugurl26]

I have no use for people like this. They are why the death penalty exists. There is no rehabilitating people like this.

[Opti]

These poor kids. Kudos to the girl who escaped and helped herself and siblings.

[Deleted]

Their Facebook page is C R E E P Y!

All those wedding vow renewal shots that are years apart, but the kids are the same size wearing the same clothes! 

[Deleted]

Jan 15, 2018 18:59:24 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

I wonder if this guy fathered some of the kids with his older daughters.

There is talk that in some photos at Disney one of the older girls looks pregnant.  I would wonder if maybe even a brother/sister relationship?  Figure they're locked up together with no other interaction with other peers until in your 20's.

[Jaguar]

Jan 16, 2018 13:01:46 GMT -5 minnesotapaintlady said:

Their Facebook page is C R E E P Y!

All those wedding vow renewal shots that are years apart, but the kids are the same size wearing the same clothes! 

I seen that as well, CREEPY is right. I'm wondering if they tried to hold back time or something equally strange.

[Deleted]

This Virgil Showlion  Is why i'm for homeschooling regulations. 


When they say the male adult has a private school, that's because in CA one of the homeschooling options is declare yourself a private school and basically do nothing from there on in. 

[Virgil Showlion]

Jan 16, 2018 13:50:29 GMT -5 oped said:

This Virgil Showlion   Is why i'm for homeschooling regulations. 


When they say the male adult has a private school, that's because in CA one of the homeschooling options is declare yourself a private school and basically do nothing from there on in.

I'd counsel against establishing a policy that affects millions based on two psychopaths in CA.

[Deleted]

How naïve of you. 

This is an extreme case, but the idea that children belong to the parent to do with as they will is not as rare as you think. 

And sorry. If me getting the kids an annual educational evaluation, well checkup, submitting a portfolio, ie. jumping through a few hoops a year means that ONLY 13 kids don't go through what these did... I'm ok with that. 

[Deleted]

Sometimes school is the only place where it's noticed that kids are being abused or neglected.  It seems like there would be a higher proportion of "bad" parents wanting to pull their kids out of the system to do with them as they choose without risking getting caught.

I'm really surprised they don't require annual checks.  I'll bet there are a lot more situations like this happening right now that nobody knows about. 

[Tiny]

Jan 16, 2018 1:52:36 GMT -5 Jaguar said:

Quote from David Turpin's parents "The distraught grandparents added that David and Louise Turpin are considered a good Christian family in their community, saying they can't understand “any of this."

abcnews.go.com/US/13-siblings-ages-29-held-captive-parents-shackled/story?id=52364267


www.cnn.com/2018/01/15/us/california-13-people-held-captive-in-home/index.html

Why do "good Christians" feel the need to protect their children from the "evils" of the world - such to the point that they sequester their children away from the world (which eventually involves the use of chains and locks or other sorts of confinement)? 

This isn't all that uncommon... 

[Deleted]

PA actually relaxed their code a few years ago and I opposed it.  You no longer have to hand your portfolio or test scores to the district at year end, just to your evaluator. All the district gets is an evaluator report and medical documentation. There are height and weight checks every year to submit and some kind of medical screening (eye, dental, physical). Meaning theoretically at least two people are putting eyes to the child besides a parent. I liked a second reviewer in the form of someone from the district though, to catch any red flags I might have missed. With few exceptions, I only eval anymore for families who I know well and see multiple times per year.

Strong regulations actually help to protect homeschoolers in my opinion. NO ONE should want to shelter abusers under their umbrella. 

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

Jan 16, 2018 14:42:22 GMT -5 Tiny said:

Jan 16, 2018 1:52:36 GMT -5 Jaguar said:

Quote from David Turpin's parents "The distraught grandparents added that David and Louise Turpin are considered a good Christian family in their community, saying they can't understand “any of this."

abcnews.go.com/US/13-siblings-ages-29-held-captive-parents-shackled/story?id=52364267


www.cnn.com/2018/01/15/us/california-13-people-held-captive-in-home/index.html

Why do "good Christians" feel the need to protect their children from the "evils" of the world - such to the point that they sequester their children away from the world (which eventually involves the use of chains and locks or other sorts of confinement)? 

This isn't all that uncommon... 

More and more lately it seems to me like being a "good Christian" is used as a disguise by the worst of humanity.  People need to start turning over rocks and stop assuming that when someone professes to be a Christian that means they are a good person.

And I just have to ask how fucking deep in denial do you have to be as GRANDPARENTS to not notice anything suspicious?

[Virgil Showlion]

Jan 16, 2018 14:34:07 GMT -5 oped said:

How naïve of you. 

This is an extreme case, but the idea that children belong to the parent to do with as they will is not as rare as you think. 

And sorry. If me getting the kids an annual educational evaluation, well checkup, submitting a portfolio, ie. jumping through a few hoops a year means that ONLY 13 kids don't go through what these did... I'm ok with that.

You neither know how rare it is nor how rare I think it is, hence I don't see how you can justify your first statement.

As for the second, we disagree on the potential for abuse by the state, and weigh it differently relative to these kinds of abuses, hence (as last time) we must agree to disagree.

[midjd]

Jan 16, 2018 14:41:01 GMT -5 minnesotapaintlady said:

Sometimes school is the only place where it's noticed that kids are being abused or neglected.  It seems like there would be a higher proportion of "bad" parents wanting to pull their kids out of the system to do with them as they choose without risking getting caught.

I'm really surprised they don't require annual checks.  I'll bet there are a lot more situations like this happening right now that nobody knows about. 

While thankfully not as extreme as this case, it did remind me of DH's ex-wife's family. There were 8 kids, all "homeschooled," none literate by high school, and all the females (and I suspect some of the males) were seriously abused by the oldest son. Parents both received SSD/SSI and additional benefits for one of the children, who was disabled.

It was eye-opening to see how an entire family could fly under the radar for so long. I'm not sure any of them except the disabled child even have a SSN. At this point, the "kids" are in their 20s-40s and all have multiple kids of their own, none of whom are in the public school system.

[Deleted]

Well, just finished mandatory reporter training today as it happens... and the number of child line referrals in my state hovers at 30,000 a year. 

[Deleted]

Jan 16, 2018 15:12:54 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

Jan 16, 2018 14:42:22 GMT -5 Tiny said:

Why do "good Christians" feel the need to protect their children from the "evils" of the world - such to the point that they sequester their children away from the world (which eventually involves the use of chains and locks or other sorts of confinement)? 

This isn't all that uncommon... 

More and more lately it seems to me like being a "good Christian" is used as a disguise by the worst of humanity.  People need to start turning over rocks and stop assuming that when someone professes to be a Christian that means they are a good person.

And I just have to ask how fucking deep in denial do you have to be as GRANDPARENTS to not notice anything suspicious?

I don't know if the grandparents they're talking about are his parents or not...I'm assuming so..because the wife's sister posted on Facebook (after getting all kinds of threats and hate posts) that she had no clue what was going on with the kids because her sister had nothing to do with her or her parents in 20 years.  The family did not even attend either of the grandparents funerals.  She said they would occasionally talk on the phone, but they didn't even know their address in CA. 

[Gardening Grandma]

Jan 16, 2018 14:34:07 GMT -5 oped said:

How naïve of you. 

This is an extreme case, but the idea that children belong to the parent to do with as they will is not as rare as you think. 

And sorry. If me getting the kids an annual educational evaluation, well checkup, submitting a portfolio, ie. jumping through a few hoops a year means that ONLY 13 kids don't go through what these did... I'm ok with that. 

Very naive.  Oped is spot on.  When my youngest grandson was in 3rd grade, his mother pulled him out and "homeschooled" him.  His "schooling" consisted of doing some lessons on the computer and playing the rest of the day.  Fortunately she put him back into public school the next year.  He was behind (of course) but caught up.

The was no accountability; no verification; nothing.  Just her word that she was "homeschooling" him.  Kids deserve better.

[NastyWoman]

Jan 16, 2018 15:33:25 GMT -5 minnesotapaintlady said:

Jan 16, 2018 15:12:54 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

More and more lately it seems to me like being a "good Christian" is used as a disguise by the worst of humanity.  People need to start turning over rocks and stop assuming that when someone professes to be a Christian that means they are a good person.

And I just have to ask how fucking deep in denial do you have to be as GRANDPARENTS to not notice anything suspicious?

I don't know if the grandparents they're talking about are his parents or not...I'm assuming so..because the wife's sister posted on Facebook (after getting all kinds of threats and hate posts) that she had no clue what was going on with the kids because her sister had nothing to do with her or her parents in 20 years.  The family did not even attend either of the grandparents funerals.  She said they would occasionally talk on the phone, but they didn't even know their address in CA. 

BBC reported this morning that the paternal grandparents had not seen any of the family members for 5 years. They had contact with their son and, presumably DIL, but only over the phone.

They also said mom was SAH and dad worked as an engineer for Northrup Grumann. Just imagine seeing the mug shot of one of your direct colleagues on the news for a crime like this. <shudder>

[Deleted]

Jan 16, 2018 16:29:35 GMT -5 NastyWoman said:

Jan 16, 2018 15:33:25 GMT -5 minnesotapaintlady said:

I don't know if the grandparents they're talking about are his parents or not...I'm assuming so..because the wife's sister posted on Facebook (after getting all kinds of threats and hate posts) that she had no clue what was going on with the kids because her sister had nothing to do with her or her parents in 20 years.  The family did not even attend either of the grandparents funerals.  She said they would occasionally talk on the phone, but they didn't even know their address in CA. 

BBC reported this morning that the paternal grandparents had not seen any of the family members for 5 years. They had contact with their son and, presumably DIL, but only over the phone.

They also said mom was SAH and dad worked as an engineer for Northrup Grumann. Just imagine seeing the mug shot of one of your direct colleagues on the news for a crime like this. <shudder>

Yeah, I saw he worked for them.  Northrop Grumman is one of our customers and I work with some engineers and QA folks from CA.  I'm curious if any of them know this guy, but not enough to bring it up in a WebEx meeting.   

[NastyWoman]

A lot of my colleagues work with NG engineers as well or have moved to here from there, but I am not asking. No way, no how...

[thyme4change]

Jan 16, 2018 15:17:04 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

Jan 16, 2018 14:34:07 GMT -5 oped said:

How naïve of you. 

This is an extreme case, but the idea that children belong to the parent to do with as they will is not as rare as you think. 

And sorry. If me getting the kids an annual educational evaluation, well checkup, submitting a portfolio, ie. jumping through a few hoops a year means that ONLY 13 kids don't go through what these did... I'm ok with that.

You neither know how rare it is nor how rare I think it is, hence I don't see how you can justify your first statement.

As for the second, we disagree on the potential for abuse by the state, and weigh it differently relative to these kinds of abuses, hence (as last time) we must agree to disagree.

Child abuse is not as rare as I wish it were.

[Virgil Showlion]

Jan 16, 2018 19:07:50 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Jan 16, 2018 15:17:04 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

You neither know how rare it is nor how rare I think it is, hence I don't see how you can justify your first statement.

As for the second, we disagree on the potential for abuse by the state, and weigh it differently relative to these kinds of abuses, hence (as last time) we must agree to disagree.

Child abuse is not as rare as I wish it were.

We can all agree with this.

Indeed if governments could be trusted to limit monitoring to yearly health checkups, and proficiency in reading, writing, and basic maths to an age-specific level, I'd have no problem with it.

Unfortunately, governments can't be trusted to exercise restraint. They reach toward total state control, and the further they reach, the easier it becomes to reach further. Historical evidence suggests the only place the line can be drawn and held is to keep state governments (and larger) out of the picture entirely. Once this line is ceded, the state and the mad society take over completely in a generation or two. Every great socialist thinker and leader of the past two centuries has acknowledged it.

I really wish it weren't so, because these instances of unconscionable child abuse are one of the steeper costs of freedom.

[Gardening Grandma]

Jan 17, 2018 10:13:39 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

Jan 16, 2018 19:07:50 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Child abuse is not as rare as I wish it were.

We can all agree with this.

Indeed if governments could be trusted to limit monitoring to yearly health checkups, and proficiency in reading, writing, and basic maths to an age-specific level, I'd have no problem with it.

Unfortunately, governments can't be trusted to exercise restraint. They reach toward total state control, and the further they reach, the easier it becomes to reach further. Historical evidence suggests the only place the line can be drawn and held is to keep state governments (and larger) out of the picture entirely. Once this line is ceded, the state and the mad society take over completely in a generation or two. Every great socialist thinker and leader of the past two centuries has acknowledged it.

I really wish it weren't so, because these instances of unconscionable child abuse are one of the steeper costs of freedom.

I could not disagree more. Child abuse is most definitely NOT a “cost of freedom”!!!  
Child abuse, horriffic by itself, leads to more child abuse. Abused children often grow up to become criminal adults..  
Failing to protect our children  has very high costs to society in general.

It would not surprise me to learn that these parents, themselves, had been abused as children.

What I have not seen addressed is the issue of mental health. Mentally healthy parents do not abuse their children.  They protect them.