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Post by Tennesseer on Jan 12, 2018 10:59:36 GMT -5
As David Leonhart pointed out in an opinion piece in the NYT today, “No one except Trump can know what Trump’s private thoughts or motivations are. But the public record and his behavior are now abundantly clear. Donald Trump treats black people and Latinos differently than he treats white people.And that makes him a racist.” You posted this linked article on a thread yesterday which probably was not viewed by too many. As this thread seems to be the attention getter today, and if you don't mind, I am posting the linked article here. Worth the read. 'The Lowest White Man'
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Jan 12, 2018 11:02:44 GMT -5
Tenn, tbe link I posted yesterday was written by Charles Blow. This is a different piece....
Although the themes are the racism of the ‘Very Stable Genius”, they make different points.
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Post by emma1420 on Jan 12, 2018 11:03:02 GMT -5
Very interesting considering the outrage spouted about the word “deplorable” Imagine the outrage if trump's election opponent had used 'shithole states' for supporting trump. Because using misogynist, homophobic, racist, hateful, disgusting language is totally cool as long as you are talking about someone else. At least that is the impression that I've been left with by Trump's base. You say that some of non-college educated and they get deeply offended. You call some brown and black people lazy rapist, it's all good, and people who are upset are too sensitive.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jan 12, 2018 11:09:12 GMT -5
Tenn, tbe link I posted yesterday was written by Charles Blow. This is a different piece.... Although the themes are the racism of the ‘Very Stable Genius”, they make different points. I got that link directly from your post of yesterday. Same Charles Blow article. ![](http://syonidv.hodginsmedia.com/vsmileys/smile.gif)
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Post by hopetoberich on Jan 12, 2018 11:17:22 GMT -5
Was this supposed to get out? What was the talk leading up to this? Wish we could get the whole thing. He must have been very frustrated to say that.
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Post by dezii on Jan 12, 2018 11:27:02 GMT -5
As David Leonhart pointed out in an opinion piece in the NYT today, “No one except Trump can know what Trump’s private thoughts or motivations are. But the public record and his behavior are now abundantly clear. Donald Trump treats black people and Latinos differently than he treats white people.And that makes him a racist.” You posted this linked article on a thread yesterday which probably was not viewed by too many. As this thread seems to be the attention getter today, and if you don't mind, I am posting the linked article here. Worth the read. 'The Lowest White Man'Afraid that site is a pay to view one Tenn...tried twice to access it but switches over to pay to view...kind of like the Washington post site..[sigh...hope whole internet doesn't become that]
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Post by Tennesseer on Jan 12, 2018 11:31:39 GMT -5
You posted this linked article on a thread yesterday which probably was not viewed by too many. As this thread seems to be the attention getter today, and if you don't mind, I am posting the linked article here. Worth the read. 'The Lowest White Man'Afraid that site is a pay to view one Tenn...tried twice to access it but switches over to pay to view...kind of like the Washington post site..[sigh...hope whole internet doesn't become that] You only get so many free views, Dezi, per month. Then it's pay to view. I think I have one free view left with the NYT this month.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jan 12, 2018 11:33:20 GMT -5
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Jan 12, 2018 11:38:25 GMT -5
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jan 12, 2018 11:39:06 GMT -5
This is racism now? Beam me up, Scotty.
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Post by happyhoix on Jan 12, 2018 11:43:16 GMT -5
Was this supposed to get out? What was the talk leading up to this? Wish we could get the whole thing. He must have been very frustrated to say that. No I think this was just an average day in the oval office.
This is why Trump is always on the defensive. He says shit he considers 'normal' or maybe 'locker room' talk and is constantly surprised when other people get offended.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 12, 2018 12:18:07 GMT -5
I would be willing to guess that the people in those "third World" countries use terms far worse when referring to the Good Ol USA! we are not responsible for what THEY say. only what WE do. capice?
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Post by ken a.k.a OMK on Jan 12, 2018 12:18:53 GMT -5
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 12, 2018 12:20:09 GMT -5
i feel pretty comfortable putting $100 against that as of today. what kind of odds you want?
1:1
cool. so, we want chiver to set up an escrow account?
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Post by chiver78 on Jan 12, 2018 12:22:51 GMT -5
cool. so, we want chiver to set up an escrow account? ha, as long as I can use that cash as an interest-free loan in the interim. ![](http://syonidv.hodginsmedia.com/vsmileys/wink.png)
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Post by dezii on Jan 12, 2018 12:24:52 GMT -5
www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/durbin-trump-said-shithole-repeatedly-comments-were-vile-racist-n837116According to Durbin Senator Graham called him out on his remarks...the man, our Donald, has no shame...goes public with a lie even though he has witnesses able to call him out... All he cares about is this so called base of his..he believes what ever he does, they will believe his version, no one elses...and in his mind , that is all he needs... Be able to threaten any GOP members with retaliation from his base if they cross him...so unless they are not running or leaving the congress, rest , to save their seats, stay quiet. Wouldn't be surprised if he or spokespeople called all Republican Senators who were at the meeting to just keep quiet...if asked about the statement , just reply, didn't hear anything like what was reported...just tough talk from him...then it will just be the Dems who are reporting and who will believe them...
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Jan 12, 2018 12:27:08 GMT -5
Totally immaterial whether members of thus board do or don’t use vulgar euphimisms. Expectations are a bit higher for the POTUS when speaking publically. Why should they be? Why should we be any less concerned about how our own comments are perceived by the world than we are about how the US President's are perceived? Because we're less important and our opinions don't matter? Because we're not technically ambassadors or representatives for our country, so why bother? It's a serious question. It’s very simple. The words on this forum do not get broadcast around the world. Things said on this board do not provoke reactions from world leaders. Words on this board simply do not carry the weight (nor cause fallout) as the words of the world’s (arguably) most powerful man.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2018 12:33:15 GMT -5
Ryan is currently being interviewed and calls Trump's comment "unfortunate" and then adds but...
No, as$hat, it's disgusting.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jan 12, 2018 12:36:07 GMT -5
Beyond just being fucking outraged again by something insane that's come out of his mouth (I shouldn't be surprised anymore), I'm more just heartbroken remembering how Africa and El Salvador weren't shitholes, they were beautiful places struggling with a lot of things and had many lovely, hospitable, hopeful people in them. ![](http://syonidv.hodginsmedia.com/vsmileys/wilted.png) (who insofar as I encountered did not hate the US, I'll add) I don't have enough WTFs for this circus anymore. shithole can mean a lot of things. there can be lovely people, but if there's terrible lack of rule of law and a craptastic government, then it can be a craphole. conversely, you can have jerky people, with a good government and people can have a low opinion of it. Trump was discussing immigration which means people/citizens and not the immigration of their governments.
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Post by happyhoix on Jan 12, 2018 12:42:13 GMT -5
"We don't want THOSE people to come live here but they're good at cleaning our toilets. As long as they go back home at the end of the session."
You know - they're useful as long as they remember their place and don't get uppity and expect to be treated like the white folks.
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Post by dezii on Jan 12, 2018 12:47:37 GMT -5
Why should they be? Why should we be any less concerned about how our own comments are perceived by the world than we are about how the US President's are perceived? Because we're less important and our opinions don't matter? Because we're not technically ambassadors or representatives for our country, so why bother? It's a serious question. It’s very simple. The words on this forum do not get broadcast around the world. Things said on this board do not provoke reactions from world leaders. Words on this board simply do not carry the weight (nor cause fallout) as the words of the world’s (arguably) most powerful man. Actually the words here beyond some swear adjectives by some of us ...and so many are not the whole word...example the initial "f"...occasionally posted when really riled up...most of our comments are much better then out POTUS.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 12, 2018 13:15:53 GMT -5
Beyond just being fucking outraged again by something insane that's come out of his mouth (I shouldn't be surprised anymore), I'm more just heartbroken remembering how Africa and El Salvador weren't shitholes, they were beautiful places struggling with a lot of things and had many lovely, hospitable, hopeful people in them. ![](http://syonidv.hodginsmedia.com/vsmileys/wilted.png) (who insofar as I encountered did not hate the US, I'll add) I don't have enough WTFs for this circus anymore. shithole can mean a lot of things. there can be lovely people, but if there's terrible lack of rule of law and a craptastic government, then it can be a craphole. conversely, you can have jerky people, with a good government and people can have a low opinion of it. shithole can mean a lot of things, and none of them are good. i think that what he said ABOUT these shitholes is arguably worse. take this statement for example: "why do we need more Hatians"? why indeed? why do we need more assholes like Trump? perhaps we should just put them all in a sack and drown them? or maybe we should let them starve to death or get gunned down by right wing militias (a common problem in Haiti). so, sure, i get what Trump is saying. we are not a beacon of hope for people in the world any more. i can hear that loud and clear. he intends to be selfish. his message is clear. and disgusting.
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Post by chiver78 on Jan 12, 2018 13:16:43 GMT -5
Beyond just being fucking outraged again by something insane that's come out of his mouth (I shouldn't be surprised anymore), I'm more just heartbroken remembering how Africa and El Salvador weren't shitholes, they were beautiful places struggling with a lot of things and had many lovely, hospitable, hopeful people in them. ![](http://syonidv.hodginsmedia.com/vsmileys/wilted.png) (who insofar as I encountered did not hate the US, I'll add) I don't have enough WTFs for this circus anymore. shithole can mean a lot of things. there can be lovely people, but if there's terrible lack of rule of law and a craptastic government, then it can be a craphole. conversely, you can have jerky people, with a good government and people can have a low opinion of it. are you tired from all the mental gymnastics it's taking to defend this latest display of offensiveness?
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Post by hurley1980 on Jan 12, 2018 13:16:52 GMT -5
I believe that Trump was speaking of the immigrants from certain third world countries, Why would we want them here,Since we are good on this board of scouring the internet for so obscure example to back what ever agenda we are pushing today. Here is mine for the next couple of minutes anyway. Immigrants for a third World Country that were productive citizens??Obama's aunt! Did She ever actually work? Or did She just suck off the system? OC have you ever actually met anyone from Haiti, El Salvador, or parts of Africa? Any of the immigrants Trump is referring to?
When I was a child my father owned a HVAC business, he had two El Salvadorans working for him. They were the hardest workers on his payroll, and not only were they his employees, but because they had no family here...they became part of our family. They spent holidays with us, cooked family meals with us, helped around the house and property (they rented a smaller home on our property). They practiced baseball with my sister, and drove me to my dance classes. They helped us deal with bully's...they were essentially our uncles, and they were good men, not lazy bums from a shithole country!
Unfortunately when my parents divorced and we moved to a different state, I lost contact with them. I would love to talk to them again, last I hear they had both married and started family, and were living the American dream.....and they worked DAMN hard for it.
They were certainly productive, more so than many Americans who suck off the system!
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 12, 2018 13:17:38 GMT -5
shithole can mean a lot of things. there can be lovely people, but if there's terrible lack of rule of law and a craptastic government, then it can be a craphole. conversely, you can have jerky people, with a good government and people can have a low opinion of it. Trump was discussing immigration which means people/citizens and not the immigration of their governments. and always was acting as an apologist for Trump and ignoring what he actually said. right out of the Sanders playbook. complete crap, and unworthy of much attention.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jan 12, 2018 13:29:09 GMT -5
Why should they be? Why should we be any less concerned about how our own comments are perceived by the world than we are about how the US President's are perceived? Because we're less important and our opinions don't matter? Because we're not technically ambassadors or representatives for our country, so why bother? It's a serious question. It’s very simple. The words on this forum do not get broadcast around the world. Things said on this board do not provoke reactions from world leaders. Words on this board simply do not carry the weight (nor cause fallout) as the words of the world’s (arguably) most powerful man. Let's just put it this way, speaking to a good chunk of P/CE: Pres. Trump just declared what you yourselves have openly said about Third World nations. You'll forgive me if "How dare he let the Third World know what we think of them." doesn't rouse my anger.
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Post by grumpyhermit on Jan 12, 2018 13:38:38 GMT -5
It’s very simple. The words on this forum do not get broadcast around the world. Things said on this board do not provoke reactions from world leaders. Words on this board simply do not carry the weight (nor cause fallout) as the words of the world’s (arguably) most powerful man. Let's just put it this way, speaking to a good chunk of P/CE: Pres. Trump just declared what you yourselves have openly said about Third World nations. You'll forgive me if "How dare he let the Third World know what we think of them." doesn't rouse my anger. A single post, liked by 7 posters, only one of whom has posted on this thread, is now a "good chuck of P/CE". Yeah, no. No one asked you to get angry. You asked why it was different, and it has been explained. Multiple times. Private citizen on anonymous message board =/= POTUS. When Sum Dum Gai, and the posters of P/CE are responsible for crafting US foreign policy, maybe give me a call. Until then, it is a pointless, absurd comparison.
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Post by hurley1980 on Jan 12, 2018 13:40:59 GMT -5
It’s very simple. The words on this forum do not get broadcast around the world. Things said on this board do not provoke reactions from world leaders. Words on this board simply do not carry the weight (nor cause fallout) as the words of the world’s (arguably) most powerful man. Let's just put it this way, speaking to a good chunk of P/CE: Pres. Trump just declared what you yourselves have openly said about Third World nations. You'll forgive me if "How dare he let the Third World know what we think of them." doesn't rouse my anger.Out of curiosity....would you have felt this same way if Obama or Clinton had made this statement, or would it all of a sudden have been a deplorable thing to say?
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jan 12, 2018 13:42:52 GMT -5
I believe that Trump was speaking of the immigrants from certain third world countries, Why would we want them here,Since we are good on this board of scouring the internet for so obscure example to back what ever agenda we are pushing today. Here is mine for the next couple of minutes anyway. Immigrants for a third World Country that were productive citizens??Obama's aunt! Did She ever actually work? Or did She just suck off the system? OC have you ever actually met anyone from Haiti, El Salvador, or parts of Africa? Any of the immigrants Trump is referring to?
When I was a child my father owned a HVAC business, he had two El Salvadorans working for him. They were the hardest workers on his payroll, and not only were they his employees, but because they had no family here...they became part of our family. They spent holidays with us, cooked family meals with us, helped around the house and property (they rented a smaller home on our property). They practiced baseball with my sister, and drove me to my dance classes. They helped us deal with bully's...they were essentially our uncles, and they were good men, not lazy bums from a shithole country!
Unfortunately when my parents divorced and we moved to a different state, I lost contact with them. I would love to talk to them again, last I hear they had both married and started family, and were living the American dream.....and they worked DAMN hard for it.
They were certainly productive, more so than many Americans who suck off the system!
I had no idea so many people I work with, people that have PhDs, MDs and other various professional degrees, are welfare moochers simply because they happen to come from a "third world shit hole". Wonder what Carl has to say about being told he's not good enough to live here. ![](http://syonidv.hodginsmedia.com/vsmileys/sarcasm.png)
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jan 12, 2018 13:47:03 GMT -5
What really amazes me is that Trump, regardless of the precise wording, has just fucked the Democrats out of their main DACA argument, and the ENTIRE argument for open borders, and broad amnesty for illegal aliens. And Democrats have no idea what has just transpired.
Why is it so cruel to deport people back to their home countries? Well because they're poor, war-torn sh...oh, yeah. Right. Uh uh.
Additionally, Trump knows why he won and he just made the 2018 mid-terms a referendum on a losing issue for Democrats.
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