To me, our Donald again, useing a private greiving

[dezii]

moment of a Widow and child of a fallen military individual for his own political reasons...

Man has no shame...not the first time.

He has disrespected a Gold Star family publicly ..he has disrespected a widow on the way to take possession of her fallen Sargent husband..and this is a man who when he could have served in our military..[ of age active war going on] opted out by a non medical reason..bone spurs?...

Even publicly bragged in a disrespectful  way that he also served in a dangerous  theater, comparing his possible contracting a sexual transmitted disease by his playing around to the same risk  possibilities of those who were serving in harms way where the bullets, bombs, booby traps, even just accidents with high risk happenings  put them into danger....and where so many did lose their lives in the thousands not counting the wounding in the hundreds of thousands...
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"The NFL protests began in the 2016 preseason, when then-49ers quarterback protested  police brutality. Kaepernick has followed his stance with action, donating nearly a million dollars to charitable causes. But as he’s been unable to land a job in the NFL since last year, for whatever reason, other players have joined in the protests in his wake. The protests exploded on the national scene in Week 3, when Trump, at an Alabama rally, decried both Kaepernick and the NFL. That following Sunday, more than 200 players from almost every team joined in the protests in defiance of the president"
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. Many veterans have indicated that they fought to defend not a flag or an anthem, but the "Protesting players have spoken at length about how their protests aren’t meant to dishonor the military, but rather to raise awareness of systemic racial inequality and police brutalityfreedoms that flag and anthem represent, including, of course, the freedom to protest. "
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www.yahoo.com/sports/president-trump-jabs-nfl-protesters-143339155.html

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I'm with the president on this, I take my hat off and stand for the National Anthem.  

[dezii]

Jan 4, 2018 13:11:04 GMT -5 @jma23 said:

I'm with the president on this, I take my hat off and stand for the National Anthem.  

I served..I fought...I bled ...he stayed home and used deferment to get  out of serving and bragged about comparing our service with his not getting a sexual disease As just as much a valiant doing.....that's our , your current POTUS..


and I have no problem with them kneeling in protest for what they feel is a discrimination of authority against youth of color...most are of color who participate and when young am guessing where very aware by experience personally or through friends, family of this happening.



I am Caucasian and never experienced any of this type behavior by law enforcement folks..however have been so informed by friends and comrades of color of this happening and believe them...also believe our Donald does not really care of their kneeling beyond it gives him something to bitch about that he knows so many of his base feel strongly about...so he gets on his high horse for political reasons...



Actually I put hand over heart with hat and stand for national anthem...even mouth the words..but am as said, Caucasian...not protesting...but understand those who do...and believe them when they say it is not as disrespect of flag...

[Deleted]

Jan 4, 2018 14:00:53 GMT -5 dezii said:

Jan 4, 2018 13:11:04 GMT -5 @jma23 said:

I'm with the president on this, I take my hat off and stand for the National Anthem.  

I served..I fought...I bled ...he stayed home and used deferment to get  out of serving and bragged about comparing our service with his not getting a sexual disease As just as much a valiant doing.....that's our , your current POTUS..


and I have no problem with them kneeling in protest for what they feel is a discrimination of authority against youth of color...most are of color who participate and when young am guessing where very aware by experience personally or through friends, family of this happening.



I am Caucasian and never experienced any of this type behavior by law enforcement folks..however have been so informed by friends and comrades of color of this happening and believe them...also believe our Donald does not really care of their kneeling beyond it gives him something to bitch about that he knows so many of his base feel strongly about...so he gets on his high horse for political reasons...



Actually I put hand over heart with hat and stand for national anthem...even mouth the words..but am as said, Caucasian...not protesting...but understand those who do...and believe them when they say it is not as disrespect of flag...

We all have our reasons.  I'm still with the president on this one.  I take my hat off and stand for the National Anthem.  It now seems that you are just using this subject as another vehicle to show your dislike for your president.  I already think you don't like him.  Correct me if I'm wrong.  

[dezii]

Jan 4, 2018 14:30:52 GMT -5 @jma23 said:

Jan 4, 2018 14:00:53 GMT -5 dezii said:

I served..I fought...I bled ...he stayed home and used deferment to get  out of serving and bragged about comparing our service with his not getting a sexual disease As just as much a valiant doing.....that's our , your current POTUS..


and I have no problem with them kneeling in protest for what they feel is a discrimination of authority against youth of color...most are of color who participate and when young am guessing where very aware by experience personally or through friends, family of this happening.



I am Caucasian and never experienced any of this type behavior by law enforcement folks..however have been so informed by friends and comrades of color of this happening and believe them...also believe our Donald does not really care of their kneeling beyond it gives him something to bitch about that he knows so many of his base feel strongly about...so he gets on his high horse for political reasons...



Actually I put hand over heart with hat and stand for national anthem...even mouth the words..but am as said, Caucasian...not protesting...but understand those who do...and believe them when they say it is not as disrespect of flag...

We all have our reasons.  I'm still with the president on this one.  I take my hat off and stand for the National Anthem.  It now seems that you are just using this subject as another vehicle to show your dislike for your president.  I already think you don't like him.  Correct me if I'm wrong.  

Dislike is a mild word...I turn on the TV every AM hoping he is no longer with us..naturally or unnaturally..either way is fine by me. The man is a rapest, a abuser, a bully, a molester, a coward and if there is any POTUS  in recent times who might get us into a nuclear war by careless actions it is he...

Possible the worst job in our country is that of SS people whose job is to take a bullet to save this ones life...Not because of the job itself...that I can understand , but this one it wouldn't be a honor to so serve.

He is not qualified to be our POTUS...he is a embarrassment....I think u are getting how I feel...I could continue for pages but don't think it's necessary.

By the way..I have never felt this way about any one in such a position no matter their political leanings and party and my first President to vote for was Kennedy so been here a bit.

[billisonboard]

Jan 4, 2018 13:11:04 GMT -5 @jma23 said:

I'm with the president on this, I take my hat off and stand for the National Anthem.  

I also take my hat off and stand for the National Anthem. I am not with the president in his condemnation of those who make a different choice.

[sesfw]

dezi says ..... this is a man who when he could have served in our military..[ of age active war going on] opted out by a non medical reason..bone spurs?...



At least he didn't run to Canada like Hillary's hubby did

[Gardening Grandma]

I stand for the national anthem and what it stands for - freedom of expression. I deeply respect anyone who peacefully protests (whether or not I agree with them).

The Genital Grabbing president is on the wrong side of democracy -yet again.

[Gardening Grandma]

Jan 4, 2018 20:26:16 GMT -5 sesfw said:

dezi says ..... this is a man who when he could have served in our military..[ of age active war going on] opted out by a non medical reason..bone spurs?...







At least he didn't run to Canada like Hillary's hubby did

Is it really necessary to drag the Clintons into this? And fwiw, Bill did not “run to Canada”

[Tennesseer]

Jan 4, 2018 20:26:16 GMT -5 sesfw said:

dezi says ..... this is a man who when he could have served in our military..[ of age active war going on] opted out by a non medical reason..bone spurs?...



At least he didn't run to Canada like Hillary's hubby did

You might want to check your facts with that claim.

William Clinton: Vietnam War opposition and draft controversy

[Opti]

Jan 4, 2018 20:26:16 GMT -5 sesfw said:

dezi says ..... this is a man who when he could have served in our military..[ of age active war going on] opted out by a non medical reason..bone spurs?...



At least he didn't run to Canada like Hillary's hubby did

Where the heck did you hear/read that?

www.biography.com/people/bill-clinton-9251236

Prior to graduating from Georgetown in 1968, Clinton won a highly prestigious Rhodes Scholarship to study for two years at Oxford University. However, in the spring of 1969, Clinton received his draft notice and was forced to return to Arkansas. Clinton avoided military service by enrolling in the ROTC program at the University of Arkansas Law School, but instead of attending law school that fall, he returned to Oxford (and later claimed he had permission to do so). Feeling guilty about his decision to avoid the draft, Clinton resubmitted his name to the draft board, but he received a high enough lottery number to assure that he would not have to serve in Vietnam.

(Oxford is in England.)

[dezii]

Jan 4, 2018 20:47:21 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Jan 4, 2018 20:26:16 GMT -5 sesfw said:

dezi says ..... this is a man who when he could have served in our military..[ of age active war going on] opted out by a non medical reason..bone spurs?...



At least he didn't run to Canada like Hillary's hubby did

You might want to check your facts with that claim.

William Clinton: Vietnam War opposition and draft controversy

William Clinton....

"He subsequently decided not to join the ROTC, saying in a letter to the officer in charge of the program that he opposed the war, but did not think it was honorable to use ROTC, National Guard, or Reserve service to avoid serving in Vietnam. He further stated that because he opposed the war, he would not volunteer to serve in uniform, but would subject himself to the draft, and would serve if selected only as a way "to maintain my political viability within the system".[23] Clinton registered for the draft and received a high number (311), meaning that those whose birthdays had been drawn as numbers 1 to 310 would have to be drafted before him, making it unlikely that he would be drafted. (In fact, the highest number drafted was 195.)["

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Jan 4, 2018 17:06:19 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Jan 4, 2018 13:11:04 GMT -5 @jma23 said:

I'm with the president on this, I take my hat off and stand for the National Anthem.  

I also take my hat off and stand for the National Anthem. I am not with the president in his condemnation of those who make a different choice.

Agree, the First Amendment has merit.

[Deleted]

Jan 4, 2018 15:13:36 GMT -5 dezii said:

Jan 4, 2018 14:30:52 GMT -5 @jma23 said:

We all have our reasons.  I'm still with the president on this one.  I take my hat off and stand for the National Anthem.  It now seems that you are just using this subject as another vehicle to show your dislike for your president.  I already think you don't like him.  Correct me if I'm wrong.  

Dislike is a mild word...I turn on the TV every AM hoping he is no longer with us..naturally or unnaturally..either way is fine by me. The man is a rapest, a abuser, a bully, a molester, a coward and if there is any POTUS  in recent times who might get us into a nuclear war by careless actions it is he...

Possible the worst job in our country is that of SS people whose job is to take a bullet to save this ones life...Not because of the job itself...that I can understand , but this one it wouldn't be a honor to so serve.

He is not qualified to be our POTUS...he is a embarrassment....I think u are getting how I feel...I could continue for pages but don't think it's necessary.

By the way..I have never felt this way about any one in such a position no matter their political leanings and party and my first President to vote for was Kennedy so been here a bit.

I guess I was right on you using this subject to show dislike for Trump.  

[dezii]

Jan 5, 2018 13:40:23 GMT -5 @jma23 said:

Jan 4, 2018 15:13:36 GMT -5 dezii said:

Dislike is a mild word...I turn on the TV every AM hoping he is no longer with us..naturally or unnaturally..either way is fine by me. The man is a rapest, a abuser, a bully, a molester, a coward and if there is any POTUS  in recent times who might get us into a nuclear war by careless actions it is he...

Possible the worst job in our country is that of SS people whose job is to take a bullet to save this ones life...Not because of the job itself...that I can understand , but this one it wouldn't be a honor to so serve.

He is not qualified to be our POTUS...he is a embarrassment....I think u are getting how I feel...I could continue for pages but don't think it's necessary.

By the way..I have never felt this way about any one in such a position no matter their political leanings and party and my first President to vote for was Kennedy so been here a bit.

I guess I was right on you using this subject to show dislike for Trump.  

As said ...never felt this strong about a POTUS  before but if u look around a bit I believe u will find I am not alone on my feelings about the man...there is a new book out that  is dealing with the man and his administration..and as my friend Tenn points out, if even a small amount of what is described dealing with him and his Administration being said about both is true...we are in deep doo doo.

That u are a supporter of the man is fine..but to not also recognize that this POTUS has some questionable issues is to have  ones  head in the sand like a ostrich.... Being discussed as a everyday occurance right now by Sec of State on CNN is possible using Nuclear weapons on N Korea and not as a reaction of a attack on us...but as if necessary a pre empt strike.

You may feel that is a normal strong all American action that is long over due..I don't. We are still paying the price of not necessary actions for two small Atomic weapon discharges over 70 years ago...today there could be millions affected...Also two other countries who have such weapons...one more of them  then we do...the other holding almost two trillion of our debt plus being looked to too pick up a big chunk of our new trillion and a half just added yo [over next 10 years ago] and  to expect them to just sit back if their people and country was affected is asking a lot..We wouldn't sit back to such a happening...why would they?

So yup....a dislike of the man, ? You can say that.

[Deleted]

Jan 5, 2018 14:05:23 GMT -5 dezii said:

Jan 5, 2018 13:40:23 GMT -5 @jma23 said:

I guess I was right on you using this subject to show dislike for Trump.  

As said ...never felt this strong about a POTUS  before but if u look around a bit I believe u will find I am not alone on my feelings about the man...there is a new book out that  is dealing with the man and his administration..and as my friend Tenn points out, if even a small amount of what is described dealing with him and his Administration being said about both is true...we are in deep doo doo.

That u are a supporter of the man is fine..but to not also recognize that this POTUS has some questionable issues is to have  ones  head in the sand like a ostrich.... Being discussed as a everyday occurance right now by Sec of State on CNN is possible using Nuclear weapons on N Korea and not as a reaction of a attack on us...but as if necessary a pre empt strike.

You may feel that is a normal strong all American action that is long over due..I don't. We are still paying the price of not necessary actions for two small Atomic weapon discharges over 70 years ago...today there could be millions affected...Also two other countries who have such weapons...one more of them  then we do...the other holding almost two trillion of our debt plus being looked to too pick up a big chunk of our new trillion and a half just added yo [over next 10 years ago] and  to expect them to just sit back if their people and country was affected is asking a lot..We wouldn't sit back to such a happening...why would they?

So yup....a dislike of the man, ? You can say that.

Very necessary.  Just think of the number of soldiers that got to go home without getting killed.... To live out their lives, have families and loved ones to enjoy.  I haven't forgotten that they attacked us.  My father was in command of a company of 200 @ Iwo Jima.  Only him and his radio-man came home.  I would pull that bomb release lever myself/today, if the situation was the same.  

[Gardening Grandma]

Jan 5, 2018 13:40:23 GMT -5 @jma23 said:

Jan 4, 2018 15:13:36 GMT -5 dezii said:

Dislike is a mild word...I turn on the TV every AM hoping he is no longer with us..naturally or unnaturally..either way is fine by me. The man is a rapest, a abuser, a bully, a molester, a coward and if there is any POTUS  in recent times who might get us into a nuclear war by careless actions it is he...

Possible the worst job in our country is that of SS people whose job is to take a bullet to save this ones life...Not because of the job itself...that I can understand , but this one it wouldn't be a honor to so serve.

He is not qualified to be our POTUS...he is a embarrassment....I think u are getting how I feel...I could continue for pages but don't think it's necessary.

By the way..I have never felt this way about any one in such a position no matter their political leanings and party and my first President to vote for was Kennedy so been here a bit.

I guess I was right on you using this subject to show dislike for Trump.  

You seem to be confusing cause with effect.  Most of us who dislike trump do so because of his actions.  We don't discuss subjects because of our dislike - rather the other way around.

[Deleted]

Jan 5, 2018 14:49:53 GMT -5 Gardening Grandma said:

Jan 5, 2018 13:40:23 GMT -5 @jma23 said:

I guess I was right on you using this subject to show dislike for Trump.  

You seem to be confusing cause with effect.  Most of us who dislike trump do so because of his actions.  We don't discuss subjects because of our dislike - rather the other way around.

I'm not confusing anything.  Dezi puts up a thread subject, then bashes Trump with subjects unrelated to his titles.

[dezii]

Jan 5, 2018 14:26:11 GMT -5 @jma23 said:

Jan 5, 2018 14:05:23 GMT -5 dezii said:

As said ...never felt this strong about a POTUS  before but if u look around a bit I believe u will find I am not alone on my feelings about the man...there is a new book out that  is dealing with the man and his administration..and as my friend Tenn points out, if even a small amount of what is described dealing with him and his Administration being said about both is true...we are in deep doo doo.

That u are a supporter of the man is fine..but to not also recognize that this POTUS has some questionable issues is to have  ones  head in the sand like a ostrich.... Being discussed as a everyday occurance right now by Sec of State on CNN is possible using Nuclear weapons on N Korea and not as a reaction of a attack on us...but as if necessary a pre empt strike.

You may feel that is a normal strong all American action that is long over due..I don't. We are still paying the price of not necessary actions for two small Atomic weapon discharges over 70 years ago...today there could be millions affected...Also two other countries who have such weapons...one more of them  then we do...the other holding almost two trillion of our debt plus being looked to too pick up a big chunk of our new trillion and a half just added yo [over next 10 years ago] and  to expect them to just sit back if their people and country was affected is asking a lot..We wouldn't sit back to such a happening...why would they?

So yup....a dislike of the man, ? You can say that.

Very necessary.  Just think of the number of soldiers that got to go home without getting killed.... To live out their lives, have families and loved ones to enjoy.  I haven't forgotten that they attacked us.  My father was in command of a company of 200 @ Iwo Jima.  Only him and his radio-man came home.  I would pull that bomb release lever myself/today, if the situation was the same.  

Not here to argue the merits of...If u want to play "I'll show u mine..u show me yours "..my Uncle Joe had just finished and surviving Phillipines and his unit was starting to undergo training of Japanese Island...Dad was with Pattons third, ended up in Checkoslavakia...was supposed to go home due to age,,[older] and points but was held up as they were deciding who to get ready to train for the invasion..when bomb were dropped...

with both of us pontificating now...u feel it is ok that our Donald is even contemplating..joshing about button sizes..whose is bigger regarding nuclear weapons...when NO ...repeat NO other POTUS EVER  treated the use of in such a cavalier way...u do know S Korea and Japan are our allies and in a encounter the odds of their being attacke is very, very, very, very high...like probable 97.9 %...I don't feel that way ..nuc weapons are different...

With every pronouncement, utterance he shows me and others too..possible not u...the man is not qualified to be our leader..our man our POTUS...IMHO  and no, don't care for the guy.

[Deleted]

Jan 5, 2018 15:16:31 GMT -5 dezii said:

Jan 5, 2018 14:26:11 GMT -5 @jma23 said:

Very necessary.  Just think of the number of soldiers that got to go home without getting killed.... To live out their lives, have families and loved ones to enjoy.  I haven't forgotten that they attacked us.  My father was in command of a company of 200 @ Iwo Jima.  Only him and his radio-man came home.  I would pull that bomb release lever myself/today, if the situation was the same.  

Not here to argue the merits of...If u want to play "I'll show u mine..u show me yours "..my Uncle Joe had just finished and surviving Phillipines and his unit was starting to undergo training of Japanese Island...Dad was with Pattons third, ended up in Checkoslavakia...was supposed to go home due to age,,[older] and points but was held up as they were deciding who to get ready to train for the invasion..when bomb were dropped...

with both of us pontificating now...u feel it is ok that our Donald is even contemplating..joshing about button sizes..whose is bigger regarding nuclear weapons...when NO ...repeat NO other POTUS EVER  treated the use of in such a cavalier way...u do know S Korea and Japan are our allies and in a encounter the odds of their being attacke is very, very, very, very high...like probable 97.9 %...I don't feel that way ..nuc weapons are different...

With every pronouncement, utterance he shows me and others too..possible not u...the man is not qualified to be our leader..our man our POTUS...IMHO  and no, don't care for the guy.

I've already made my point on necessity.  Your dislike of Trump is your own.

[dezii]

Jan 5, 2018 15:23:13 GMT -5 @jma23 said:

Jan 5, 2018 15:16:31 GMT -5 dezii said:

Not here to argue the merits of...If u want to play "I'll show u mine..u show me yours "..my Uncle Joe had just finished and surviving Phillipines and his unit was starting to undergo training of Japanese Island...Dad was with Pattons third, ended up in Checkoslavakia...was supposed to go home due to age,,[older] and points but was held up as they were deciding who to get ready to train for the invasion..when bomb were dropped...

with both of us pontificating now...u feel it is ok that our Donald is even contemplating..joshing about button sizes..whose is bigger regarding nuclear weapons...when NO ...repeat NO other POTUS EVER  treated the use of in such a cavalier way...u do know S Korea and Japan are our allies and in a encounter the odds of their being attacke is very, very, very, very high...like probable 97.9 %...I don't feel that way ..nuc weapons are different...

With every pronouncement, utterance he shows me and others too..possible not u...the man is not qualified to be our leader..our man our POTUS...IMHO  and no, don't care for the guy.

I've already made my point on necessity.  Your dislike of Trump is your own.

oh believe a few others have similar dislike of the man... .......

[mollyanna58]

This thread is about nothing new.  Dezi dislikes Trump.  May I respectfully suggest that Dezi start one thread titled "Donald Trump is .....", and simply add the latest complaint to it daily?

[Gardening Grandma]

Dezi isn’t the only one. Each of us could start a daily thread about something awful he says or does and they’d all be different.

It’s astounding to me that there are still people who will support him.  

[b2r]

If it's all you hear...
Just five percent of the stories on the early days of the Trump presidency were seen as positive, compared to 42 percent for Obama in 2009 and 22 percent for George W. Bush in 2001.
insider.foxnews.com/2017/12/28/pew-study-media-coverage-trump-3-times-more-negative-obama

[zibazinski]

Jan 5, 2018 15:16:23 GMT -5 @jma23 said:

Jan 5, 2018 14:49:53 GMT -5 Gardening Grandma said:

You seem to be confusing cause with effect.  Most of us who dislike trump do so because of his actions.  We don't discuss subjects because of our dislike - rather the other way around.

I'm not confusing anything.  Dezi puts up a thread subject, then bashes Trump with subjects unrelated to his titles.

No different than the grateful thread poster who used it to bash trump-again.

[zibazinski]

The easiest move is the ignore button. It’s too bad there’s no remove the entire thread button.

[dezii]

Jan 6, 2018 7:16:57 GMT -5 zibazinski said:

Jan 5, 2018 16:02:06 GMT -5 mollyanna58 said:

This thread is about nothing new.  Dezi dislikes Trump.  May I respectfully suggest that Dezi start one thread titled "Donald Trump is .....", and simply add the latest complaint to it daily?

You’re about to get lectured on how he can say or she can say anything they want and you have no say about it.

Morning all...hope all have a neat weekend and see some warmth show up.

Actually I thought I do post regarding the thread I start...Actually, have to be careful that I am staying within the two thread a 24 hour period...so first thing to do is try to figure if I am with in that window...not as easy as it sounds. Thus most of my posts are ad ons to other threads, either older my own or those of others...I try to ad to threads that the premise is similar to the thoughts of my post but other times they are in response to other thoughts of posters...possible even one of yours.

If u are uncomfortable with this way of commentating on a message board, I suggest do what I do...just ignore  and slide through as I sometimes do with other folks posts and threads...I promise, I won't be hurt..promise won't turn to mmhmm in tears complaining about a person ignoring me...

By the way, me too, believing there are still so many supporting him...un f ing believable...but that is just me...Really need my coffee..hope aid is on time...damn, just 7:30...won't be here till 9 AM. Any one have fresh made can offer me a cup? Love my coffee...sugar a bit high this AM ...

Any favorites on bowl game coming up....Go Patriots...Damn Jeter for gutting my Marlins...looking for another team to support...and he got so little in his trades too...never had the $ to buy the team and overpaid by $400 to $200 million....something in between....

[dezii]

Jan 6, 2018 7:56:17 GMT -5 zibazinski said:

The limits on posts needing to be set because of abuse and complaints that couldn’t be ignored no matter how much they wanted to.

Don't get me wrong...have learned to live with it...made my case to increase by one or two, brought to the highest.....thought it was a good case...lost...sighed and we moved on.... ....

[zibazinski]

No, you wouldn't. 

[dezii]

Jan 6, 2018 9:36:50 GMT -5 zibazinski said:

No, you wouldn't. 

oh I have... Also have had my breakfast and on second mug of coffee...[never did get a offer of one...disappointed..}