Miss Tequila
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Post by Miss Tequila on Nov 11, 2017 10:57:21 GMT -5
One of my friends worked for many years as a teacher. The school supplies provided by her school only lasted her partway through each school year. She taught elementary kids, so you know how much paper they go through...she'd been spending her own money for a lot of years to keep her class in materials. Our nearest big city already has too many people exiting education as a career. It's not wise to give teachers another reason to look for other work. neatoday.org/2015/05/13/teacher-turnover-is-much-lower-than-you-probably-think/
New teachers are sticking with the job far longer than previously reported, according to a new study by the National Center for Education Statistics (NCES). While previous reports estimated that 40 to 50 percent of teachers left after the first five years – sparking heated debates about why they fled –the NCES report shows that just 17 percent had left after five years.
I don't know why everyone thinks that teachers have such high turnover. I'm from public accounting where the annual turnover rate is about equal to the 5 year turnover rate of teachers. I know in my local school districts it is damn near impossible to get a teaching job. It seriously can't be that bad or there would be tons of vacancies that they couldn't fill. That just isn't the case.
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Post by Tennesseer on Nov 11, 2017 12:18:40 GMT -5
One of my friends worked for many years as a teacher. The school supplies provided by her school only lasted her partway through each school year. She taught elementary kids, so you know how much paper they go through...she'd been spending her own money for a lot of years to keep her class in materials. Our nearest big city already has too many people exiting education as a career. It's not wise to give teachers another reason to look for other work. neatoday.org/2015/05/13/teacher-turnover-is-much-lower-than-you-probably-think/
New teachers are sticking with the job far longer than previously reported, according to a new study by the National Center for Education Statistics (NCES). While previous reports estimated that 40 to 50 percent of teachers left after the first five years – sparking heated debates about why they fled –the NCES report shows that just 17 percent had left after five years.
I don't know why everyone thinks that teachers have such high turnover. I'm from public accounting where the annual turnover rate is about equal to the 5 year turnover rate of teachers. I know in my local school districts it is damn near impossible to get a teaching job. It seriously can't be that bad or there would be tons of vacancies that they couldn't fill. That just isn't the case.
Depends where in the country one lives. Article is dated two weeks after our 2017-2018 school year began. SCS Still Needs Teachers To Fill Open Positions
MEMPHIS, Tenn (localmemphis.com) - Educators are calling the Shelby County Schools teacher shortage a crisis. Three weeks into the new school year and the district is still short nearly 100 teachers. That means substitute teachers and academic coaches are trying to teach core subjects. Students and teachers tell us there is high school math, science and special education class rooms are without qualified teachers. Union leaders say the district has to respond quickly to the crisis now. Tikeila Rucker leads the United Educators Association of Shelby County. She's also a parent. "What we have here in Shelby County is what's being described as a crisis situation," said Rucker. Rest of article here: SCS Still Needs Teachers To Fill Open PositionsMemphis is actually a poor (financial) city. We also have larger cities recruiting our well-trained police and firefighters offering higher wages. (2016) Poverty rate for Memphis is 26.9% while the percentage of city children living in poverty is 44.7%. Statistics show poverty increasing in Memphis in 2016 |
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Post by kadee79 on Nov 11, 2017 12:36:12 GMT -5
What about all of the other employees who need to purchase their own supplies but are not teachers? Why do teachers get a special deduction? I used to have to purchase my own supplies (not all supplies but there were certain things that were not supplied that I had to purchase) and I didn't qualify for the $250 deduction. I know lots of other "professionals" who have to purchase supplies but do not qualify for a special deduction.
What about those that work at places like Walmart...you HAVE to wear certain colors of pants & shirts/blouses. Some places require everyone to have black shoes, etc. That costs & most of those employees don't have enough stuff to file long form. |
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Post by Miss Tequila on Nov 11, 2017 13:24:42 GMT -5
What about all of the other employees who need to purchase their own supplies but are not teachers? Why do teachers get a special deduction? I used to have to purchase my own supplies (not all supplies but there were certain things that were not supplied that I had to purchase) and I didn't qualify for the $250 deduction. I know lots of other "professionals" who have to purchase supplies but do not qualify for a special deduction.
What about those that work at places like Walmart...you HAVE to wear certain colors of pants & shirts/blouses. Some places require everyone to have black shoes, etc. That costs & most of those employees don't have enough stuff to file long form. I’m not disagreeing with you. There are lots of employees that have to incur work related expenses. I don’t know why teachers are singled out for a tax savings |
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Post by tallguy on Nov 11, 2017 13:40:40 GMT -5
What about those that work at places like Walmart...you HAVE to wear certain colors of pants & shirts/blouses. Some places require everyone to have black shoes, etc. That costs & most of those employees don't have enough stuff to file long form. I’m not disagreeing with you. There are lots of employees that have to incur work related expenses. I don’t know why teachers are singled out for a tax savings If I were asked for a justification, I would guess that normal work-related expenses are considered part of the job. A teacher buying supplies is different, in that those supplies should be provided by the school district (and by extension, state and/or local government.) The credit is small enough that it does not permit a teacher to go crazy with it, but it does allow a small ability to go beyond what the district provides should they choose to without the hassle of trying to do individual requisitions for those supplies. Just my guess (not being a teacher.) |
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Post by Shooby on Nov 11, 2017 14:18:03 GMT -5
Why are teachers paying for their own supplies? That's ridiculous. The School Districts should be funding the classrooms before they fund anything else.
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Post by dezii on Nov 11, 2017 14:50:45 GMT -5
Why are teachers paying for their own supplies? That's ridiculous. The School Districts should be funding the classrooms before they fund anything else. To get into teaching...where salaries are less compared to other jobs with same education levels...most seem to be dedicated to the profession of teaching , thus spend own $ or needed supplies to do their job properly..and while your correct, School Districts should supply these supplies...the school budgets seem to be always being cut,...thus no funds for supplies like they should have. Education budgets for school districts are always under attack..Once ones kids are out of those schools...or the kids are in private schools, citizens...so many...are not happy to spend for education...not all but enough.. Thus Administers ...elected officials...also under attack to cut expenditures.. Do u attend those open budget meetings to demand more $ for these needed supplies...write letters to proper folks who make those budget decisions? |
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Post by grits on Nov 11, 2017 16:15:48 GMT -5
Obama himself said we needed to lower corporate taxes to stimulate business. Personally, I think the country is cooked but they can try whatever they want too. What does the estate tax have to do with corporate taxes, unless the heirs are inheriting the business itself.
Lower the corp tax rate then, but leave the estate tax in place. only estates in excess of 5,000,000 pay the tax anyways.
This is a give away to the Ultra Wealthy, at the expense of the common man.
I said nothing about the estate tax. So, why did you link it to my post? It makes no sense. |
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Post by dezii on Nov 11, 2017 16:31:06 GMT -5
Should corporations then be able to deduct office supplies? If the teacher's job is to teach it's the corporation's job to provide me with what I need to do my job. If that means I need a pen then I need a pen. Why should they get to write it off? (pun intended). A corporation is going to be deducting a hell of a lot more than $250 in office supplies. Taking away a teacher's deduction while keeping it in place for corporations doesn't seem to do much when it comes to "simplifying" from my perspective.  What about all of the other employees who need to purchase their own supplies but are not teachers? Why do teachers get a special deduction? I used to have to purchase my own supplies (not all supplies but there were certain things that were not supplied that I had to purchase) and I didn't qualify for the $250 deduction. I know lots of other "professionals" who have to purchase supplies but do not qualify for a special deduction.
They don't HAVE to purchase these supplies...could just go in and do the best they can with what they are given...but there is a personal pride here...a desire to help these kids to move ahead..thus they feel compelled to spend their own dollars ...kind of like as one passes a guy with a sign ..."need help...vet..".I always drop a few coins...glad it's not me with the sign...doesn't hurt me..if they use to drink..hey their money now ..spend as u want..hopefully some food would be better choice.. |
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Post by grits on Dec 27, 2017 23:52:39 GMT -5
If you are really concerned with the teachers having to use their own money to buy school supplies, why not organize a community drive to make up the difference? Adopt a school. Adopt a class. Harvey caused such horrific damage here that not only are schools not in their buildings, they don't have the money for art paper. I have adopted a pre-K class, and am trying to buy needed art paper. I spoke to the teacher directly about it.
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