Trump to be Keynote Speaker for Hate Group

[Gardening Grandma]

President Donald Trump will be the first sitting president to address the Family Research Council’s Values Voter Summit, which the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) described as a “rogues' gallery of the radical right.”

Trump will be the keynote speaker at Friday's event, which will also be attended by his former strategist, Steve Bannon. Other speakers include the founder of anti-Islam group ACT for America and former Trump strategist, Sebastian Gorka.

The anti-LGBTQ Family Research Council, labeled as a hate group by the SPLC, has hosted its annual summit since its inception in 2006.

www.newsweek.com/donald-Trump-speak-anti-lgbt-hate-groups-annual-event-first-president-683927

www.splcenter.org/values-voter-summit-whose-values

[haapai]

Thanks for the heads-up but I think that I'll just read about it on Saturday. 

Am I just having a bad week or have we slipped to a new low this week?  I'm just not able to keep up with the show any longer. 

[Tennesseer]

From this past July:

Trump declines invitation to address NAACP

President Trump will break with White House tradition of speaking at the NAACP convention, deputy press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders said Wednesday.

Sanders told reporters Trump had declined the invitation from the oldest civil rights group in the country to speak at their annual convention in Baltimore next week.

My understanding is that the invitation has been declined for this year, but certainly the invitation for dialogue with that group would happily take place, and we would certainly like to be able to continue to do that,” Sanders said.

Trump declines invitation to address NAACP

Hmmmm.

[Gardening Grandma]

When he was running, I hoped his winks and nods and dog whistles to the hate groups was just to get their votes.

Now, he is making it clear; it wasn't just for votes. He actually IS one of them. No wonder they are estatic.

[Tennesseer]

trump's victory speech:

“Now it’s time for America to bind the wounds of division,” he said. “To all Republicans and Democrats and independents across this nation, I say it is time for us to come together as one united people. It’s time. I pledge to every citizen of our land that I will be president for all Americans, and this is so important to me. For those who have chosen not to support me in the past, of which there were a few people, I’m reaching out to you for your guidance and your help so that we can work together and unify our great country.”

How's that working out for us, America.

[Virgil Showlion]

Oct 12, 2017 21:05:08 GMT -5 Gardening Grandma said:

The anti-LGBTQ Family Research Council, labeled as a hate group by the SPLC, ...

Only after the SPLC jumped the shark.

Sit and spin.

[happyhoix]

Well, I don't know anything about them, so I thought I would look them up.

They apparently oppose giving kids the APV vaccine in schools because it goes against their policy of abstinence for unwed people, but that seems shortsighted. If you don't get that vaccine, get married and catch the virus from your DH because you never had the vaccine, you've got a greater chance of getting cancer.

Cancer doesn't care if you got the virus the good way, through marriage, or by fooling around. Seems safer to just make sure all kids get it.

Hmm, they think states should be able to discourage the evil act of sex outside of marriage up to and including criminalization - wonder if Trump knows about that....

 

[Phoenix84]

I've always questioned the designations of hate groups by the SPLC. They are a highly partisan organization and have a habit of designating people and groups that I don't think fit the bill of a hate group, and who happen to disagree with the SPLC.

Just seems like a form of bullying and an attempt to silence dissenting voices to me.

[Phoenix84]

Oct 13, 2017 14:23:56 GMT -5 alwaysbeoptimizing said:

SPLC thinks everyone that isn't all sunshine and roses is a hate group because they disagree.


this is a shame, as there are real hate groups out there that they've listed as well, but by including those they disagree with, they water the whole thing down.


this is the same thing that's led to the death of PC.  it got pushed to such a ridiculous extreme that now people are just ignoring a lot more of it, including things that actually are worth fighting about.

Yes.  There are real hate groups out there, and there are others who just don't have the same view as the SPLC in regards to things like gay marriage or a number of other topics.  It forces a spectrum of ideas and beliefs into a narrow view of black and white, with the SPLC deciding who wins and loses.

It just rubs me the wrong way.  I don't know anything about the family research council or their politics or actions, but I'm not going to take the SPLC's word for it they're a hate group just because they say so.

[movingforward]

Oct 13, 2017 14:24:54 GMT -5 alwaysbeoptimizing said:

Oct 13, 2017 11:19:15 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Well, I don't know anything about them, so I thought I would look them up.

They apparently oppose giving kids the APV vaccine in schools because it goes against their policy of abstinence for unwed people, but that seems shortsighted. If you don't get that vaccine, get married and catch the virus from your DH because you never had the vaccine, you've got a greater chance of getting cancer.

Cancer doesn't care if you got the virus the good way, through marriage, or by fooling around. Seems safer to just make sure all kids get it.

Hmm, they think states should be able to discourage the evil act of sex outside of marriage up to and including criminalization - wonder if Trump knows about that....

 

but, and this is the point, you can disagree with their policy.  that doesn't make them a hate group...

I didn't look them up so not sure if they are a hate group...they do sound like extremists though (if what happyhoix posted is true).

[happyhoix]

Oct 13, 2017 14:24:54 GMT -5 alwaysbeoptimizing said:

Oct 13, 2017 11:19:15 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Well, I don't know anything about them, so I thought I would look them up.

They apparently oppose giving kids the APV vaccine in schools because it goes against their policy of abstinence for unwed people, but that seems shortsighted. If you don't get that vaccine, get married and catch the virus from your DH because you never had the vaccine, you've got a greater chance of getting cancer.

Cancer doesn't care if you got the virus the good way, through marriage, or by fooling around. Seems safer to just make sure all kids get it.

Hmm, they think states should be able to discourage the evil act of sex outside of marriage up to and including criminalization - wonder if Trump knows about that....

 

but, and this is the point, you can disagree with their policy.  that doesn't make them a hate group...

I'm not getting into the whole sticky wicket of what a 'hate group' is!

Martha Stewart's empire could be a hate group, if you're a vegan. All those colored eggs from all Martha's enslaved hens!

I do find it amusing, though, that Trump is speaking to a group that opposes sex outside of marriage. If ever there was a man who knew a thing about sex outside of marriage.... but he wouldn't be the first politician who spoke up for a group who supports believes that were 180 degrees different from what he actually does.

[movingforward]

Hmm, they think states should be able to discourage the evil act of sex outside of marriage up to and including criminalization - wonder if Trump knows about that....

The world makes zero sense to me. Why the hell would they want Trump, the man who obviously believes sex outside of marriage is perfectly fine, to come and speak to them.

[giramomma]

Well, apparently, one guy (Peter Sprigg) from the Family Research Council said that gay behavior should be outlawed.

Here are is the transcript: www.nbcnews.com/id/35224225/#.WeEmIYZrygQ

I'm wondering how Phoenix84 would feel if someone came up to him and said heterosexual behavior would be outlawed. I know, I'd probably feel pretty upset about that...

I don't think I'd shrug it off and say "Oh Well." But maybe Phoenix would..

[movingforward]

It has been made quite clear a few times on this board that some people don't care about issues that don't directly effect them. I find that concept completely baffling.

[zibazinski]

Why?

[movingforward]

Oct 13, 2017 16:01:12 GMT -5 zibazinski said:

Why?

Because if no one had ever stood up for issues that didn't directly effect them, then I probably wouldn't to this day be allowed to dine in the same restaurant with some of my friends and co-workers. My guess is that certain co-workers wouldn't even be working in the same office with me. Hell, as a female I might not even be allowed to have the job I have.

I am straight so gay marriage doesn't effect me directly, but I feel like people should be able to marry anyone they wish.

I don't understand not standing up for the rights of other people if you believe there is an injustice happening.

Throughout history people of other races and genders have stood up for the other side. I think that is what helped to lessen the injustices of women and minorities.

[zibazinski]

I agree with that but I'm surprised you think it's odd that a lot of people don't care about issues unless they impact them personally. 

[movingforward]

Oct 13, 2017 16:12:50 GMT -5 zibazinski said:

I agree with that but I'm surprised you think it's odd that a lot of people don't care about issues unless they impact them personally. 

Not so much odd, I guess, but just something I have a hard time understanding.

[zibazinski]

I can understand that. I think it's because we're constantly bombarded or told what we should care about. You can burn out from caring too much about anything.

[movingforward]

Oct 13, 2017 16:19:31 GMT -5 zibazinski said:

I can understand that. I think it's because we're constantly bombarded or told what we should care about. You can burn out from caring too much about anything.

True. It does feel like we go round and round...Sometimes I just feel like talking about kittens. Everyone should care about kittens . Okay, dogs are cool too .

[Tennesseer]

Oct 13, 2017 16:00:19 GMT -5 movingforward said:

It has been made quite clear a few times on this board that some people don't care about issues that don't directly effect them. I find that concept completely baffling.

Much truth to the below. By German Pastor Martin Niemöller:

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.


Martin Niemöller was a German Lutheran pastor and theologian born in Lippstadt, Germany, in 1892. Niemöller was an anti-Communist and supported Adolf Hitler's rise to power at first. But when Hitler insisted on the supremacy of the state over religion, Niemöller became disillusioned. He became the leader of a group of German clergymen opposed to Hitler. In 1937 he was arrested and eventually confined in Sachsenhausen and Dachau. He was released in 1945 by the Allies. He continued his career in Germany as a clergyman and as a leading voice of penance and reconciliation for the German people after World War II. His statement, sometimes presented as a poem, is well-known, frequently quoted, and is a popular model for describing the dangers of political apathy.

link

[Virgil Showlion]

Oct 13, 2017 14:21:37 GMT -5 Phoenix84 said:

I've always questioned the designations of hate groups by the SPLC. They are a highly partisan organization and have a habit of designating people and groups that I don't think fit the bill of a hate group, and who happen to disagree with the SPLC.

Just seems like a form of bullying and an attempt to silence dissenting voices to me.

They weren't always this way.

As recently as ten years ago, they still had a decent track record. But then they started refusing to designate obviously terroristic groups "hate groups" due to foolish technicalities, and followed by designating increasingly benign anti-LGBT groups "hate groups" for no reason besides their being anti-LGBT, to the point where the SPLC officially jumped the shark a few years ago.

It's unfortunate, but neutrality has all but died in the modern era of US politics.

[Virgil Showlion]

Oct 13, 2017 15:55:01 GMT -5 giramomma said:

Well, apparently, one guy (Peter Sprigg) from the Family Research Council said that gay behavior should be outlawed.

Here are is the transcript: www.nbcnews.com/id/35224225/#.WeEmIYZrygQ

I'm wondering how Phoenix84 would feel if someone came up to him and said heterosexual behavior would be outlawed. I know, I'd probably feel pretty upset about that...

I don't think I'd shrug it off and say "Oh Well." But maybe Phoenix would..

Sodomy used to be outlawed in the US. Under "buggery" laws.

I don't believe consensuality was a factor, although I could be wrong.

It's not exactly a new and radical idea.

[thyme4change]

Oct 13, 2017 16:19:31 GMT -5 zibazinski said:

I can understand that. I think it's because we're constantly bombarded or told what we should care about. You can burn out from caring too much about anything.

I find it super easy to not care, but still be on the side of human rights and individual liberties.

You want to be gay - be gay.
You want to have sex outside marriage - have fun.
You want to kill someone? No, that isn't good, but you can kill yourself.

[NastyWoman]

Oct 13, 2017 10:14:58 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Trump's victory speech:

“Now it’s time for America to bind the wounds of division,” he said. “To all Republicans and Democrats and independents across this nation, I say it is time for us to come together as one united people. It’s time. I pledge to every citizen of our land that I will be president for all Americans, and this is so important to me. For those who have chosen not to support me in the past, of which there were a few people, I’m reaching out to you for your guidance and your help so that we can work together and unify our great country.”

How's that working out for us, America.

Fake news!!!

He never said such a thing, and if he did he didn't mean it, and if he meant it it was only because of the press who never gives him credit for anything anyway. And besides the crowds at his inauguration were way biglier than those at Obama's.

So there

[Deleted]

How can you listen to that speech and not want you to vomit? 

[zibazinski]

Same way I listened to past presidents or any politician speak. Con artists out for themselves, every last one of them.

[Phoenix84]

Oct 13, 2017 15:55:01 GMT -5 giramomma said:

Well, apparently, one guy (Peter Sprigg) from the Family Research Council said that gay behavior should be outlawed.

Here are is the transcript: www.nbcnews.com/id/35224225/#.WeEmIYZrygQ

I'm wondering how Phoenix84 would feel if someone came up to him and said heterosexual behavior would be outlawed. I know, I'd probably feel pretty upset about that...

I don't think I'd shrug it off and say "Oh Well." But maybe Phoenix would..

I'd disagree with that opinion, just as I don't agree with the opinion that homosexual relationships should be illegal.

But in either case, it's not going to realistically happen so why should I get all bent out of shape over it? Someone disagrees with me and holds a pie in the sky opinion! Oh the humanity! Everyone has to think the same way I do about everything!

I think we've lost the ability to be objective as a society. Unless there's pending legislation to make homosexual relationships illegal, why get upset over someone's opinion and label them a hate group? If there's pending legislation, or someone does more than just talk about it with their friends, then I'll be among the first to condem such action. But I can be objective and realize that other people's opinions don't hurt me or anyone else.

[Phoenix84]

Oct 13, 2017 18:37:07 GMT -5 NastyWoman said:

Oct 13, 2017 10:14:58 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Trump's victory speech:

“Now it’s time for America to bind the wounds of division,” he said. “To all Republicans and Democrats and independents across this nation, I say it is time for us to come together as one united people. It’s time. I pledge to every citizen of our land that I will be president for all Americans, and this is so important to me. For those who have chosen not to support me in the past, of which there were a few people, I’m reaching out to you for your guidance and your help so that we can work together and unify our great country.”

How's that working out for us, America.

Fake news!!!

He never said such a thing, and if he did he didn't mean it, and if he meant it it was only because of the press who never gives him credit for anything anyway. And besides the crowds at his inauguration were way biglier than those at Obama's.

So there

The economy is doing well. Other than that things seem pretty much the same as under Obamacare, so I can't complain too much.

[Phoenix84]

Here's a question for you.

Someone hates Trump. They think he's an illigetamate president, and he's destroying the country. They get together with like minded people and key note speakers.

Would such an organization be a hate group? I mean, you got an organization who hates Trump and thinks he should be impeached and thrown in prison because he won the election through illegal means. They hold this opinion of a lawfully elected US president, so why not label them a hate group? I'm sure could find a pro Trump think tank to do just that.