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Post by Tennesseer on Oct 10, 2017 22:06:39 GMT -5
The only difference between Weinstein and trump is some Americans elected trump president.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2017 22:16:44 GMT -5
Who defended him?
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Oct 10, 2017 22:44:34 GMT -5
Weinstein was fired. No one has stepped up to defend him.
Since conservatives voted for a serial sexual assaulter, apparently they are just fine with men who sexually assault women.
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Post by Value Buy on Oct 11, 2017 6:44:13 GMT -5
Weinstein was fired. No one has stepped up to defend him. Since conservatives voted for a serial sexual assaulter, apparently they are just fine with men who sexually assault women. There were several who did defend him, until they were re-educated by others to change their minds. And yes, there is no defense that can defend this. Wondering if the various state AG'S will decide to prosecute like they did against Bill Cosby. Let's make sure they do not prosecute only old blind black men.
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Post by happyhoix on Oct 11, 2017 7:43:03 GMT -5
Weinstein was fired. No one has stepped up to defend him. Since conservatives voted for a serial sexual assaulter, apparently they are just fine with men who sexually assault women. There were several who did defend him, until they were re-educated by others to change their minds. And yes, there is no defense that can defend this. Wondering if the various state AG'S will decide to prosecute like they did against Bill Cosby. Let's make sure they do not prosecute only old blind black men. The NY DA's office and the NY police are fighting about this.
NY police investigated Weinstein. They had testimony of a woman who had been groped and had tape of her being bullied by Weinstein to go into his hotel room with him. Yet the DA Cy Vance failed to prosecute - this is the same DA who declined to prosecute Trump Jr and his sister when the two of them were nearly indicted for fraud and larceny.
DA is saying the police did their investigation without consulting the DA's office and their sex crime experts, so none of their evidence was useable. The police said they had a solid case and don't know why the DA didn't follow up on it.
Oh and by the way, the same DA, Cy Vance, got nice donations from lawyers for both Trump and Weinstein - after he failed to indict their clients. Coincidence, I'm sure. www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/10/10/16454182/cyrus-vance-harvey-weinstein-ivanka-donald-trump-junior-prosecute-donations-write-in
Big smell of rotten fish coming from the DA's office.
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Post by thyme4change on Oct 11, 2017 8:24:48 GMT -5
There are vial, disgusting people in every crowd. Hollywood is a sexist, disgusting business. I hope they ferret out all these assholes.
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Post by mmhmm on Oct 11, 2017 8:50:23 GMT -5
ROFL! This got a belly laugh out of me. I do hope you have a bunch of snacks stockpiled, OC, because you're going to need them. I don't think anybody here, on either side of the political aisle, is going to defend this waste of DNA.
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Oct 11, 2017 8:51:38 GMT -5
I hope so, too. It's hard to tell from the stories since they are so conflicting. It seems some people in Hollywood are saying everybody was aware of his ways for a long time. Others are saying nobody knew. No idea which is the truth.
I'm pretty sure I recall he was a huge contributor to Mrs. Clinton's campaign. I believe he threw her 65th birthday party. Could be wrong. It's been awhile since I read it. So did everybody know or did nobody know? It seems common knowledge among the Hollywood elite that he's already paid off half a dozen women to keep them quiet. Stuff like that gets around.
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Post by thyme4change on Oct 11, 2017 8:57:58 GMT -5
I don't think everybody knows anything.
I'm sure some people knew and were in self preservation mode. People don't always do the right thing when it can cost them everything.
Are you asking if Hillary Clinton knew?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2017 9:01:52 GMT -5
Some must have known. It seems some women knew. Jolie said she told everyone she could. Jessica Chastain said she heard stories everywhere. But I also have great respect for like Streep and Close... I think if they knew they would not have lied and said they were shocked? Matt Damon's statements he didn't know were backed up by a reporter. In some cases it could be that people didn't WANT to know... I do hope this helps people look at the culture and stop these things going forward. To look more carefully.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2017 9:03:26 GMT -5
I'm going to say if politicians were well versed in the rumors. Malia probably wouldn't have been interning there...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2017 9:06:12 GMT -5
I'm also going to say, Weinstein statements there was no unconcensual sex are likely his perception of the truth. I'm betting he doesn't fully understand coercion of this nature. He didn't think of himself as a rapist, just 'a good convincer'... this is part of the culture and what needs to be rectified.
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Oct 11, 2017 9:07:42 GMT -5
I don't think everybody knows anything. I'm sure some people knew and were in self preservation mode. People don't always do the right thing when it can cost them everything. Are you asking if Hillary Clinton knew? No. I can't imagine that she did know. She's not stupid. I can't imagine she would so publically align herself with someone like him if she knew. I'm just trying to figure out how she didn't since it appears to be common knowledge, according to some. I mean, don't you think somebody might have given her a call...."Hey! Hillary! Don't be photographed with your hands all over this guy. He's a predator!"
I'm trying to figure out how, if "everybody knew", he was allowed to get away with this for so long. I'm trying to figure out how, if it was common knowledge that he paid half a dozen women or more to keep quiet, he was allowed to keep doing it. There are statements this dude did some pretty nasty things. How does that stay quiet? Was he that good at what he did that it was overlooked or excused?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2017 9:09:36 GMT -5
GEL, did you see Terry Crews info today by any chance?
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Post by thyme4change on Oct 11, 2017 9:12:21 GMT -5
We recently had a scandal at our office. No one knew, yet everyone knew. Basically, there was no proof and no details, but it didn't seem like anyone was surprised at the level of disgustingness the man involved went to.
I doubt everyone had a list and a clear picture of what was happening. But, maybe you hear things like "that guy is a sleeze" or you just get the vibe.
I don't know. I don't think "everyone" knew.
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Oct 11, 2017 9:13:58 GMT -5
GEL, did you see Terry Crews info today by any chance? No. I'm at work, oped. I can't look at much here. Good info?
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Post by grumpyhermit on Oct 11, 2017 9:15:39 GMT -5
I don't think everybody knows anything. I'm sure some people knew and were in self preservation mode. People don't always do the right thing when it can cost them everything. Are you asking if Hillary Clinton knew? No. I can't imagine that she did know. She's not stupid. I can't imagine she would so publically align herself with someone like him if she knew. I'm just trying to figure out how she didn't since it appears to be common knowledge, according to some. I mean, don't you think somebody might have given her a call...."Hey! Hillary! Don't be photographed with your hands all over this guy. He's a predator!"
I'm trying to figure out how, if "everybody knew", he was allowed to get away with this for so long. I'm trying to figure out how, if it was common knowledge that he paid half a dozen women or more to keep quiet, he was allowed to keep doing it. There are statements this dude did some pretty nasty things. How does that stay quiet? Was he that good at what he did that it was overlooked or excused? I would imagine "everyone" depends on what circles you are talking about. I think it is conceivable that in Hollywood circles this type of behavior is an open secret where "everyone" knows. I can see where people removed from that wouldn't be as aware of the gossip surrounding it. Much like I'm sure that there are things "everyone" in DC knows, that wouldn't be common knowledge elsewhere. Money and power, that's how. How did Cosby get away with it for so long? This is hardly unique or new behavior. Men have been using power, influence, and money to leverage sex forever. This isn't unique to Hollywood either. How often do sexual harassment claims get taken seriously, and the offender actually punished?
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Post by Opti on Oct 11, 2017 9:18:08 GMT -5
Some must have known. It seems some women knew. Jolie said she told everyone she could. Jessica Chastain said she heard stories everywhere. But I also have great respect for like Streep and Close... I think if they knew they would not have lied and said they were shocked? Matt Damon's statements he didn't know were backed up by a reporter. In some cases it could be that people didn't WANT to know... I do hope this helps people look at the culture and stop these things going forward. To look more carefully. I think one of the issues is all sexual predators know how to hide their actions from the majority of the people they encounter. That's how these things go on for years and most people only know their non predator side. Look at all the support Cosby got because its hard to reconcile the guy you knew with the full man that you did not. I like this article below on what George Clooney knew and thinks now.
www.msn.com/en-us/movies/celebrity/george-clooney-says-harvey-weinstein-scandal-is-%e2%80%98disturbing-on-a-whole-lot-of-levels%e2%80%99/ar-AAteJNG
"Harvey's admitted to it, and it's indefensible. I've known Harvey for 20 years. He gave me my first big break as an actor in films on 'From Dusk Till Dawn,' he gave me my first big break as a director with 'Confessions of a Dangerous Mind,'" the Oscar winner continued.
"We've had dinners, we've been on location together, we've had arguments. But I can tell you that I've never seen any of this behavior -- ever."
As for whether Hollywood as a whole knew about Weinstein's behavior, the actor/producer/director/activist said: "A good bunch of people that I know would say, 'Yeah, Harvey's a dog' or 'Harvey's chasing girls,' but again, this is a very different kind of thing.
"This is harassment on a very high level.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2017 9:18:56 GMT -5
GEL, did you see Terry Crews info today by any chance? No. I'm at work, oped. I can't look at much here. Good info? It was just his account, as a huge man, of being groped sexually by a man with power, in front of witnesses, and still feeling like he had no voice or option to come forward. There are many reasons why in a culture of acceptance, being a voice is difficult. That's why the culture needs to change.
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Post by Tennesseer on Oct 11, 2017 9:22:07 GMT -5
trump stated he has known Weinstein a long time and is not surprised about Weinstein's misconduct. Two birds of a feather posing together. From 2009: Must not have been very common knowledge. From 2013: .
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Oct 11, 2017 9:29:14 GMT -5
No. I'm at work, oped. I can't look at much here. Good info? It was just his account, as a huge man, of being groped sexually by a man with power, in front of witnesses, and still feeling like he had no voice or option to come forward. There are many reasons why in a culture of acceptance, being a voice is difficult. That's why the culture needs to change. Oh dear. I guess if you get away with it for years and all it costs you is money you have plenty of, there is no reason to change your behavior. Makes me sick.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2017 9:33:02 GMT -5
Just to be clear, Crews didn't say who he was talking about, not Weinstein, but it lent authenticity to the idea that even this huge man felt restrained and unable to come forward.
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Oct 11, 2017 9:40:29 GMT -5
I completely understand that part. Coming forward isn't just the initial act of coming forward. It's depositions and loss of income and stigma and a whole lot of others things that go way past the initial reporting. It's a very intimidating process and some people just aren't up for it. I understand that and sympathize with it. We aren't a victim-friendly society when it comes to stuff like this. I'm not talking about blaming - I'm talking about the process of having to prove what happened to you. And? I suppose it's as it should be. Even the perpetrator has rights.
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Post by thyme4change on Oct 11, 2017 9:46:51 GMT -5
I completely understand that part. Coming forward isn't just the initial act of coming forward. It's depositions and loss of income and stigma and a whole lot of others things that go way past the initial reporting. It's a very intimidating process and some people just aren't up for it. I understand that and sympathize with it. We aren't a victim-friendly society when it comes to stuff like this. I'm not talking about blaming - I'm talking about the process of having to prove what happened to you. And? I suppose it's as it should be. Even the perpetrator has rights. I have said that as a mother of both a son and a daughter, we need balance. I don't want us to become a place where anyone can say "that guy touched me" and the usher him instantly to the nearest tree for a lynching while celebrating women's rights. There are messed up people out there who do messed up things - including fabrication and embellishment. The problem with sex crimes is that sex is super personal and super private. It will always be a he said, she said.
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Post by happyhoix on Oct 11, 2017 10:20:19 GMT -5
I don't think everybody knows anything. I'm sure some people knew and were in self preservation mode. People don't always do the right thing when it can cost them everything. Are you asking if Hillary Clinton knew? No. I can't imagine that she did know. She's not stupid. I can't imagine she would so publically align herself with someone like him if she knew. I'm just trying to figure out how she didn't since it appears to be common knowledge, according to some. I mean, don't you think somebody might have given her a call...."Hey! Hillary! Don't be photographed with your hands all over this guy. He's a predator!"
I'm trying to figure out how, if "everybody knew", he was allowed to get away with this for so long. I'm trying to figure out how, if it was common knowledge that he paid half a dozen women or more to keep quiet, he was allowed to keep doing it. There are statements this dude did some pretty nasty things. How does that stay quiet? Was he that good at what he did that it was overlooked or excused?
The news show I was watching this morning showed clips from the sit com Thirty Rock where they made jokes about Weinstein being a sexual predator, and that show isn't a current show, so I would say that at least in Hollywood, people knew about him for a while.
Hollywood has a long history of the 'casting couch' so maybe this kind of behavior isn't that unusual, at least in Hollywood. It is disheartening that no one sais anything up until now, but on that tape they released of Weinstein threatening that actress to go into the hotel room with him, he kept telling her he would stop being friends with her and she would never work on any of his films, so I guess that's a big enough threat to keep them quiet.
Although I was surprised it worked with Gwyneth Paltrow. She was just a young actress starting out when he harassed her, but she had friends and family that were high up in the industry, you would think that would empower her to out Weinstein as a creep.
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Post by OldCoyote on Oct 11, 2017 18:48:24 GMT -5
ROFL! This got a belly laugh out of me. I do hope you have a bunch of snacks stockpiled, OC, because you're going to need them. I don't think anybody here, on either side of the political aisle, is going to defend this waste of DNA. Dang,, I thought it was worth a try!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2017 3:10:51 GMT -5
Some must have known. It seems some women knew. Jolie said she told everyone she could. Jessica Chastain said she heard stories everywhere. But I also have great respect for like Streep and Close... I think if they knew they would not have lied and said they were shocked? Matt Damon's statements he didn't know were backed up by a reporter. In some cases it could be that people didn't WANT to know... I do hope this helps people look at the culture and stop these things going forward. To look more carefully. The woman that gives the standing ovation for Roman Polanski wouldn't have lied to help protect this man? BS. Looks to me like she has an affinity to his type. On March 10, 1977, Polanski, then aged 43, became embroiled in a scandal involving 13-year-old Samantha Jane Gailey[10] (now Samantha Geimer).[11] A grand jury charged Polanski with five charges: rape by use of drugs perversion sodomy lewd and lascivious act upon a child under fourteen furnishing a controlled substance to a minor[9] This ultimately led to Polanski's guilty plea to a different charge of unlawful sexual intercourse with a minor.[12] en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Polanski_sexual_abuse_case
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Post by Opti on Oct 12, 2017 5:32:03 GMT -5
Some must have known. It seems some women knew. Jolie said she told everyone she could. Jessica Chastain said she heard stories everywhere. But I also have great respect for like Streep and Close... I think if they knew they would not have lied and said they were shocked? Matt Damon's statements he didn't know were backed up by a reporter. In some cases it could be that people didn't WANT to know... I do hope this helps people look at the culture and stop these things going forward. To look more carefully. The woman that gives the standing ovation for Roman Polanski wouldn't have lied to help protect this man? BS. Looks to me like she has an affinity to his type. On March 10, 1977, Polanski, then aged 43, became embroiled in a scandal involving 13-year-old Samantha Jane Gailey[10] (now Samantha Geimer).[11] A grand jury charged Polanski with five charges: rape by use of drugs perversion sodomy lewd and lascivious act upon a child under fourteen furnishing a controlled substance to a minor[9] This ultimately led to Polanski's guilty plea to a different charge of unlawful sexual intercourse with a minor.[12] en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Polanski_sexual_abuse_caseA bunch of people stood including Scorsese. I think they were celebrating his work, not his past misdeeds. The crowd wasn't sure what to do it seems, even though it was 2003 and 1977 was 26 years ago. Do you think when people clap for Trump they are clapping for his abuse of women which may have included rape of a 16 year old, or do you think they are clapping because they are happy they have a conservative President in office?
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