Michelle Obama lectures women over voting for Trump

[Value Buy]

Oct 3, 2017 15:03:25 GMT -5 Gardening Grandma said:

Oct 3, 2017 11:18:43 GMT -5 @jma23 said:

Exactly !!  Never seen a bigger bunch of crybabies.  He won fair and square.  

With some help from the Russians, Comey, fake news and voter suppression and idiots who actually believed his promises.

I have to ask.
Do you know of one "voter" who admits they were fooled by the Russians, fake news (which affected Trump probably more than Hillary) or Comey?
I do not know of one voter who has come forward and said they were hoodwinked, and voted for Trump instead of Hillary.
This board is a prime example. I think the vast majority of us who participated in political and current event threads had all made up our minds months before the election and were not swayed by any of the theatrics. 
Side note: Facebook and Russian ads.....did anyone actually see one in their feed and say, hey I ain't voting for Hillary because of this ad?
I cannot say I saw one on anyone's threads, but maybe I only see ads that were meant for me.....but I got damn mad seeing all the "I am with Her!" ads on my feed, Maybe the Russians did those too

[Gardening Grandma]

Oct 3, 2017 15:56:02 GMT -5 alabamagal said:

Oct 3, 2017 14:23:37 GMT -5 Gardening Grandma said:

The he 42% of the female populatipn who voted for that
deserves being insulted.

So you are just marginalizing anyone who voted for Trump.  Got it.

With a choice of 2 terrible main party candidates, I chose to vote for the one I thought would screw up the least.

It would be funny (if it weren't pathetic) how voters who chose a politician who insulted and demeaned and lied his way into the ticket get their undies in a bunch at any perceived insult.

Who might "Screw up the least":

a) a "businessman" who got rich swindling others, filed multiple bankruptcies, had no government experience, demonstrated no ability or interest in even learning, who attacked a Gold Star family, who mocked a disabled man, who incited violence, who winked and nodded to white supremists

b) a former US Senator, former Sec of State, who earned the respect of her colleages in the Senate (on both sides), who demonstrated a thick skin, a spine, and the ability to stay focused in spite of a barrage of smears against her.

Women who voted for the (redacted) are pathetic; I'd feel sorry for them except for the fact that my granddaughter is likely to suffer the consequences of their hate and ignorance.

[Gardening Grandma]

Oct 3, 2017 16:07:29 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Oct 3, 2017 15:03:25 GMT -5 Gardening Grandma said:

With some help from the Russians, Comey, fake news and voter suppression and idiots who actually believed his promises.

I have to ask.
Do you know of one "voter" who admits they were fooled by the Russians, fake news (which affected Trump probably more than Hillary) or Comey?
I do not know of one voter who has come forward and said they were hoodwinked, and voted for Trump instead of Hillary.
This board is a prime example. I think the vast majority of us who participated in political and current event threads had all made up our minds months before the election and were not swayed by any of the theatrics. 
Side note: Facebook and Russian ads.....did anyone actually see one in their feed and say, hey I ain't voting for Hillary because of this ad?
I cannot say I saw one on anyone's threads, but maybe I only see ads that were meant for me.....but I got damn mad seeing all the "I am with Her!" ads on my feed, Maybe the Russians did those too

Of course not.  Gulible people who've been conned will do anything to deny that they got conned. 
But the fact of Russian interferrence is no longer subjecture.  And Mueller is still investigating whether anyone in the (redacted's) campaign was in cahoots.

[thyme4change]

We were all conned. This sucky system that habitually gives us "lessor of two evils" that don't represent most, and we can't trust was sold to all of us under the guise of "greatest nation ever." And we all bought in.

[Gardening Grandma]

I wasn't conned Thyme.  I knew what he was.  He told us what he was.  And I didn't vote for "the lesser of two evils" either. I voted for the only qualified candidate running.  
I wasn't conned.

[Value Buy]

Oct 3, 2017 17:30:02 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

We were all conned. This sucky system that habitually gives us "lessor of two evils" that don't represent most, and we can't trust was sold to all of us under the guise of "greatest nation ever." And we all bought in.

I was not conned.
Hillary Clinton is a redacted redacted redacted redacted terrible person!

[hurley1980]

Sept 30, 2017 7:46:38 GMT -5 Shooby said:

Sept 29, 2017 23:10:20 GMT -5 Gardening Grandma said:

"I am a female . I voted for Trump because I want a man who isn't a shriveling wussy and who will actually deal with issues rather than pretend and hide from them. Thanks sooo much Michelle! Sorry your husband was unable to fill that bill!"

And you got a toddler who just discovered Puerto Rico was an island. Whose idea of "dealing" with issues is to tweet stupid things in the middle of the night. Who bragged about sexually assaulting women.  Congratulations.

Thanks.  The stock market is up, the economy is growing and wall prototypes are underway!

There could be a million wall prototypes underway and it won't make a bit of difference. You can't just say, I'm going to build a wall, and then just build it. You have to acquire the land to build it on. And take it from someone who works in property acquisition for a very large, very well known infrastructure project, if you can't get the land, you cant build! If enough property owners put up a fight, the courts could be tied up with eminent domain cases long after he is out of office.

But keep believing in the wall that will never be....

[alabamagal]

Oct 3, 2017 16:53:43 GMT -5 Gardening Grandma said:

Oct 3, 2017 15:56:02 GMT -5 alabamagal said:

So you are just marginalizing anyone who voted for Trump.  Got it.

With a choice of 2 terrible main party candidates, I chose to vote for the one I thought would screw up the least.

It would be funny (if it weren't pathetic) how voters who chose a politician who insulted and demeaned and lied his way into the ticket get their undies in a bunch at any perceived insult.

Who might "Screw up the least":

a) a "businessman" who got rich swindling others, filed multiple bankruptcies, had no government experience, demonstrated no ability or interest in even learning, who attacked a Gold Star family, who mocked a disabled man, who incited violence, who winked and nodded to white supremists

b) a former US Senator, former Sec of State, who earned the respect of her colleages in the Senate (on both sides), who demonstrated a thick skin, a spine, and the ability to stay focused in spite of a barrage of smears against her.

Women who voted for the (redacted) are pathetic; I'd feel sorry for them except for the fact that my granddaughter is likely to suffer the consequences of their hate and ignorance.

I am not pathetic.  I was not conned.  i am not following under the spell of a man who is influincing my vote.  

I do not appreciate being called names because of who I voted for.  But I am a big girl.  My panties are certainly not in a wad.  I made a choice based on my total dislike for Hilary.  But i will also not stoop to the level to insult those who did.

[zibazinski]

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[Opti]

Oct 3, 2017 16:07:29 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Oct 3, 2017 15:03:25 GMT -5 Gardening Grandma said:

With some help from the Russians, Comey, fake news and voter suppression and idiots who actually believed his promises.

I have to ask.
Do you know of one "voter" who admits they were fooled by the Russians, fake news (which affected Trump probably more than Hillary) or Comey?
I do not know of one voter who has come forward and said they were hoodwinked, and voted for Trump instead of Hillary.
This board is a prime example. I think the vast majority of us who participated in political and current event threads had all made up our minds months before the election and were not swayed by any of the theatrics. 
Side note: Facebook and Russian ads.....did anyone actually see one in their feed and say, hey I ain't voting for Hillary because of this ad?
I cannot say I saw one on anyone's threads, but maybe I only see ads that were meant for me.....but I got damn mad seeing all the "I am with Her!" ads on my feed, Maybe the Russians did those too

This board is an exception plus the people who tip elections tend to be independents. A certain subset. Those who usually decide in the last couple weeks of an election year who to vote for. And perhaps that's in part due to time and energy. I'll admit I often read up on local candidates just before voting day versus following Presidential candidates for months.

[Deleted]

Oct 3, 2017 15:03:25 GMT -5 Gardening Grandma said:

Oct 3, 2017 11:18:43 GMT -5 @jma23 said:

Exactly !!  Never seen a bigger bunch of crybabies.  He won fair and square.  

With some help from the Russians, Comey, fake news and voter suppression and idiots who actually believed his promises.

But... but... but... Hillary "won the popular vote" with some help from debate moderators who gave her the questions ahead of time, a political party national committee that colluded to aid in her win, fake news, and idiots who actually believed her promises.

[Deleted]

Oct 3, 2017 16:53:43 GMT -5 Gardening Grandma said:

... It would be funny (if it weren't pathetic) how voters who chose a politician who insulted and demeaned and lied his way into the ticket get their undies in a bunch at any perceived insult. ...

It would also "be funny (if it weren't pathetic) how voters who chose a politician who insulted and demeaned and lied" her "way into the ticket get their undies in a bunch at any perceived insult."




I just love how most insults about/to Trump, equally apply about/to Hillary. Only in an election with two almost equally horrid candidates is this even possible.

The only exception would be of accusations of being sexually inappropriate with women. I don't think Hillary ever did that. That was Bill. Hillary just intimidated, harassed, and scared the women Bill screwed... but she didn't "not have sexual relations with" with them like Bill. I'll give her points for not being a pervert (even if she allows and defends her husband being one, attacking any woman that makes claims against her good man).

[Deleted]

Oct 3, 2017 17:31:44 GMT -5 Gardening Grandma said:

I wasn't conned Thyme.  I knew what he was.  He told us what he was.  And I didn't vote for "the lesser of two evils" either. I voted for the only qualified candidate running.  
I wasn't conned.

If you honestly think there was a "qualified candidate" for President on any of the ballots in this country... you were conned. Definitely and egregiously.

Now... if you wrote in a name... and that person, indeed, was qualified... then I shall retract my statement. Did you do a write in... or did you pick one of the listed options (you don't even have to tell us which one)?

[Lizard Queen]

Oct 4, 2017 7:24:34 GMT -5 alabamagal said:

Oct 3, 2017 20:40:46 GMT -5 Gardening Grandma said:

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This response has been removed. - mmhmm,  Politics Moderator

Just out of curiosity, do you agree with the handling of Puerto Rico so far?

[Lizard Queen]

Oct 4, 2017 8:27:53 GMT -5 @anne81 said:

I'm not sure what more could have been done. A lot of the bottleneck was the absolute destruction of infrastructure on the island. Supplies were waiting but couldn't get to where they needed to go based on lack of roads, drivers, communication, fuel, etc. Military ships were waiting but still need ports and roads. This is a hazard of living in a remote location.

Trump says Puerto Ricos debt needs to be forgiven. I agree. His constant, inappropriate use of social media and insulting people is a topic that has been well canvassed.



Edited: the difficulties are compounded by the previous storms damage to surrounding islands

I don't know how to feel about this.  I keep asking specific posters questions, and getting answers from different posters.  (This is okay, I guess, but AG was talking about disagreeing with politics, and my question was to gauge where her politics lie.)  I guess it does allow me to clarify my question a bit.  I think that it is well established that more could have been done for Puerto Rico, and everything could have been done much more quickly.  (I mean, the US does own helicopters, do they not?)  I was curious about the opinion of how robust of a response is the US obligated to have for a territory vs. a full state.  I honestly do not know.  As a human being, I know how I feel about it, but as a matter of principle of governance?  I just do not know that much about territories.  Was Trump's response appropriate?

[Gardening Grandma]

Oct 4, 2017 7:56:49 GMT -5 Lizard Queen said:

Oct 4, 2017 7:24:34 GMT -5 alabamagal said:

I have never said I hate Hillary. I just totally disagree with her politics. So thanks again for insulting my beliefs and calling me pathetic

And I don't appreciate Michelle Obama insulting my intelligence either.

Just out of curiosity, do you agree with the handling of Puerto Rico so far?

Not sure if the question is addressed to me or alabamagal.

I feel that the response from the WH is lagging compared with the response to Texas and Florida.  I'm guessing that partly it's because they cannot vote in a national election, partly due to his own ignorance and partly due to the fact that most residents there are poor and non white.

I could give some examples. 

His trip there was a PR debacle with him insulting the Puerto Ricans and tossing paper towels as if he were Oprah.  
After the visit there, he visited the ship my grandson is serving on.  It was pretty pathetic - he cannot even salute properly.  I'm sure there was some eye rolling behind his back.

[Miss Tequila]

Oct 4, 2017 9:09:55 GMT -5 Lizard Queen said:

Oct 4, 2017 8:27:53 GMT -5 @anne81 said:

I'm not sure what more could have been done. A lot of the bottleneck was the absolute destruction of infrastructure on the island. Supplies were waiting but couldn't get to where they needed to go based on lack of roads, drivers, communication, fuel, etc. Military ships were waiting but still need ports and roads. This is a hazard of living in a remote location.

Trump says Puerto Ricos debt needs to be forgiven. I agree. His constant, inappropriate use of social media and insulting people is a topic that has been well canvassed.



Edited: the difficulties are compounded by the previous storms damage to surrounding islands

I don't know how to feel about this.  I keep asking specific posters questions, and getting answers from different posters.  (This is okay, I guess, but AG was talking about disagreeing with politics, and my question was to gauge where her politics lie.)  I guess it does allow me to clarify my question a bit.  I think that it is well established that more could have been done for Puerto Rico, and everything could have been done much more quickly.  (I mean, the US does own helicopters, do they not?)  I was curious about the opinion of how robust of a response is the US obligated to have for a territory vs. a full state.  I honestly do not know.  As a human being, I know how I feel about it, but as a matter of principle of governance?  I just do not know that much about territories.  Was Trump's response appropriate?

I honestly want to know why we even have territories.  What does the US get out of it?  We collect no federal taxes from the territories but we are expected to jump in and support them.  Why did we never allow them to just be their own country?    Don't take that to mean that we aren't now responsible for them...just why are we in this position in the first place?  It seems to me that Puerto Rico gets the benefit of the US without the cost.

[whoisjohngalt]

Oct 4, 2017 9:27:19 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

Oct 3, 2017 20:32:23 GMT -5 alabamagal said:

I am not pathetic.  I was not conned.  i am not following under the spell of a man who is influincing my vote.  

I do not appreciate being called names because of who I voted for.  But I am a big girl.  My panties are certainly not in a wad.  I made a choice based on my total dislike for Hilary.  But i will also not stoop to the level to insult those who did.

#Quote removed as post quoted has been removed. - mmhmm, Politics Moderator

Ummm....it took you THAT long??

[Tennesseer]

Oct 4, 2017 9:23:22 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

Oct 4, 2017 9:09:55 GMT -5 Lizard Queen said:

I don't know how to feel about this.  I keep asking specific posters questions, and getting answers from different posters.  (This is okay, I guess, but AG was talking about disagreeing with politics, and my question was to gauge where her politics lie.)  I guess it does allow me to clarify my question a bit.  I think that it is well established that more could have been done for Puerto Rico, and everything could have been done much more quickly.  (I mean, the US does own helicopters, do they not?)  I was curious about the opinion of how robust of a response is the US obligated to have for a territory vs. a full state.  I honestly do not know.  As a human being, I know how I feel about it, but as a matter of principle of governance?  I just do not know that much about territories.  Was Trump's response appropriate?

I honestly want to know why we even have territories.  What does the US get out of it?  We collect no federal taxes from the territories but we are expected to jump in and support them.  Why did we never allow them to just be their own country?    Don't take that to mean that we aren't now responsible for them...just why are we in this position in the first place?  It seems to me that Puerto Rico gets the benefit of the US without the cost.

While most residents of Puerto Rico do not pay federal personal income taxes, some residents do.  Otherwise, residents pay varioud other federal taxes just like our states do.

Taxation in Puerto Rico

[swamp]

I'm not angry Trump is president.  I understand Clinton was a flawed candidate, although i do thing she was more qualified.   I was willing to give him a chance. 


I'm angry that he keeps fucking up and won't stop saying and tweeting stupid and inflammatory things.

[swamp]

Oct 4, 2017 9:23:22 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

Oct 4, 2017 9:09:55 GMT -5 Lizard Queen said:

I don't know how to feel about this.  I keep asking specific posters questions, and getting answers from different posters.  (This is okay, I guess, but AG was talking about disagreeing with politics, and my question was to gauge where her politics lie.)  I guess it does allow me to clarify my question a bit.  I think that it is well established that more could have been done for Puerto Rico, and everything could have been done much more quickly.  (I mean, the US does own helicopters, do they not?)  I was curious about the opinion of how robust of a response is the US obligated to have for a territory vs. a full state.  I honestly do not know.  As a human being, I know how I feel about it, but as a matter of principle of governance?  I just do not know that much about territories.  Was Trump's response appropriate?

I honestly want to know why we even have territories.  What does the US get out of it?  We collect no federal taxes from the territories but we are expected to jump in and support them.  Why did we never allow them to just be their own country?    Don't take that to mean that we aren't now responsible for them...just why are we in this position in the first place?  It seems to me that Puerto Rico gets the benefit of the US without the cost.

I don't think they had much of a choice about becoming a territory, it's not like we asked them nicely if they wanted to become one.  

[Miss Tequila]

Oct 4, 2017 9:41:06 GMT -5 swamp said:

I'm not angry Trump is president.  I understand Clinton was a flawed candidate, although i do thing she was more qualified.   I was willing to give him a chance. 


I'm angry that he keeps fucking up and won't stop saying and tweeting stupid and inflammatory things.

I'm angry that he won't stop with his idiotic tweets, too. 

You havent' peppered this board with constant insults for anyone that voted differently than you did.  Perhaps you think it but I don't recall ever seeing you say it.  My reply was not about you or people like you...people that didn't want trump in office but can manage to get through a day without insulting everyone else. 

[Miss Tequila]

Oct 4, 2017 9:42:28 GMT -5 swamp said:

Oct 4, 2017 9:23:22 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

I honestly want to know why we even have territories.  What does the US get out of it?  We collect no federal taxes from the territories but we are expected to jump in and support them.  Why did we never allow them to just be their own country?    Don't take that to mean that we aren't now responsible for them...just why are we in this position in the first place?  It seems to me that Puerto Rico gets the benefit of the US without the cost.

I don't think they had much of a choice about becoming a territory, it's not like we asked them nicely if they wanted to become one.  

I'm not disagreeing with that. I'm honestly just wondering why we still have them. Why not allow them to be their own country?  It doesnt' make sense to me. I've thought about it the few times I was in PR but obviously more now since the hurricane. I see what PR gets out of the arrangement but I haven't a clue what the US gets out of it.

[swamp]

Oct 4, 2017 10:01:15 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

Oct 4, 2017 9:41:06 GMT -5 swamp said:

I'm not angry Trump is president.  I understand Clinton was a flawed candidate, although i do thing she was more qualified.   I was willing to give him a chance. 


I'm angry that he keeps fucking up and won't stop saying and tweeting stupid and inflammatory things.

I'm angry that he won't stop with his idiotic tweets, too. 

You havent' peppered this board with constant insults for anyone that voted differently than you did.  Perhaps you think it but I don't recall ever seeing you say it.  My reply was not about you or people like you...people that didn't want Trump in office but can manage to get through a day without insulting everyone else. 

I understand why people voted for him.  I don't agree, but that's the essence of democracy.

I do wonder about the people who still think he can do no wrong, and that reporting on his tweets is "fake news," or think that his spontaneous speeches are brilliant.  They're word salad, and he's not making a point.  He really should not speak off the cuff in public. 

[OldCoyote]

I have a Facebook video saying there are 10,000 containers sitting on the docks with more coming in,,
I know that this some how Trumps fault,  Maybe he should be down there driving a truck, Right?

[ken a.k.a OMK]

Maybe he should go back there and throw rolls of paper towels for a photo op. 

[swamp]

Oct 4, 2017 11:06:44 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

I have a Facebook video saying there are 10,000 containers sitting on the docks with more coming in,,
I know that this some how Trumps fault,  Maybe he should be down there driving a truck, Right?

Maybe he could send more help to get the power going and the roads opened? 

[whoisjohngalt]

Oct 4, 2017 9:41:06 GMT -5 swamp said:

I'm not angry Trump is president.  I understand Clinton was a flawed candidate, although i do thing she was more qualified.   I was willing to give him a chance. 


I'm angry that he keeps fucking up and won't stop saying and tweeting stupid and inflammatory things.

Remember how I told you that you seem objective and non judgemental?  This post just another proof of that.

[Miss Tequila]

Oct 4, 2017 10:33:35 GMT -5 @anne81 said:

Oct 4, 2017 9:09:55 GMT -5 Lizard Queen said:

I don't know how to feel about this.  I keep asking specific posters questions, and getting answers from different posters.  (This is okay, I guess, but AG was talking about disagreeing with politics, and my question was to gauge where her politics lie.)  I guess it does allow me to clarify my question a bit.  I think that it is well established that more could have been done for Puerto Rico, and everything could have been done much more quickly.  (I mean, the US does own helicopters, do they not?)  I was curious about the opinion of how robust of a response is the US obligated to have for a territory vs. a full state.  I honestly do not know.  As a human being, I know how I feel about it, but as a matter of principle of governance?  I just do not know that much about territories.  Was Trump's response appropriate?

I'll respond again. Per NPR as of a few days ago 94% of the supplies sent to Puerto Rico were sitting in the water waiting to be unloaded. The harbor is damaged, as is the equipment to unload cargo containers. There is no cell service so they can't contact truckers to come pick up the goods from the harbor. Less than 30% have come to work. Many are too busy taking care of their own families. There is very limited fuel and the roads need to be cleared. Even when they can move goods they are limited in what they can send. Grocery stores have no power so everything has to be shelf stable. A lot of contact is happening over ham radio.

Helicopters can help but have limited carrying capacity, need a place to land, and contact with an organization on the ground.

It's a mess all over the islands. The British, French, and Dutch are also being criticized for their response to their territories. So yeah, we can do better. We always can but modern life is really fragile. If a major earthquake happens in my area they predict most of the metro will not have clean water for months. Only one water provider in our area has earthquake graded facilities, it serves two small cities, and water fees doubled to cover the cost.

Exactly.  It is so easy to lay blame at Trump but from when I read it is a complete disaster.  I have one loud mouth on my FB that I keep around just for entertainment purposes...as usual, she starts blasting the "orange idiot" (sorry but a person loses all credibility when they post something like that).  I posted a CNN article to her that basically said exactly what you are saying...she certainly couldn't say that it was biased in Trump's favor!  But in her eyes, it is Trump's fault and that's that. 

[Miss Tequila]

Oct 4, 2017 11:55:21 GMT -5 whoisjohngalt said:

Oct 4, 2017 9:41:06 GMT -5 swamp said:

I'm not angry Trump is president.  I understand Clinton was a flawed candidate, although i do thing she was more qualified.   I was willing to give him a chance. 


I'm angry that he keeps fucking up and won't stop saying and tweeting stupid and inflammatory things.

Remember how I told you that you seem objective and non judgemental?  This post just another proof of that.

I totally agree.  I think anne is the same way.  I can't even tell which side of the political aisle she is on!