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Post by milee on Aug 17, 2017 16:42:28 GMT -5
Oldest son (17 years old - Senior in HS) really wants to be in Finance. He'd love to have his own hedge fund and thinks he'd be a good Quant. That's a newish field where super nerds use tech to manipulate data, identify patterns and select investments based on the algorithms they develop. Right up his alley. Anyways, he had a friend who worked at a local investment firm and asked the friend if he could talk to the managing partner about some investing algorithm ideas he had. They liked his ideas and hired him. Today was his first formal day at work and Quant boy is so excited, he's talked more today than he has in the last three weeks combined. They've asked him to start by writing a program to identify some sort of pattern exhibited by dividends. Son had an idea for some additional parameters they could use to make the program better and they are letting him run with it. He just got home, talked nonstop until he couldn't breathe and then went into his room to start on his programming. I'm really, really proud of him. And for everyone with a really tough little person, this kid was one of the toughest little people ever. So there's hope! Keep them alive and what they do might surprise you...
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 17, 2017 16:50:34 GMT -5
Good for him and you have every reason to be proud of him. Brag on!
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Post by suesinfl on Aug 17, 2017 17:02:05 GMT -5
Brag momma, brag! Wondering if since he was such a hard little one, if it was more out of frustration at not being able to express himself/ideas/thoughts, then it was from just being a "hard" kid?
At any rate, you have done a wonderful job by exposing him to different ideas/experiences and supporting him.
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Post by Bonny on Aug 17, 2017 17:03:57 GMT -5
Brag momma, brag! Wondering if since he was such a hard little one, if it was more out of frustration at not being able to express himself/ideas/thoughts, then it was from just being a "hard" kid? At any rate, you have done a wonderful job by exposing him to different ideas/experiences and supporting him. Lol, I'm guessing he got bored easily and would stir stuff up!
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Post by NoNamePerson on Aug 17, 2017 17:04:55 GMT -5
Oldest son (17 years old - Senior in HS) really wants to be in Finance. He'd love to have his own hedge fund and thinks he'd be a good Quant. That's a newish field where super nerds use tech to manipulate data, identify patterns and select investments based on the algorithms they develop. Right up his alley. Anyways, he had a friend who worked at a local investment firm and asked the friend if he could talk to the managing partner about some investing algorithm ideas he had. They liked his ideas and hired him. Today was his first formal day at work and Quant boy is so excited, he's talked more today than he has in the last three weeks combined. They've asked him to start by writing a program to identify some sort of pattern exhibited by dividends. Son had an idea for some additional parameters they could use to make the program better and they are letting him run with it. He just got home, talked nonstop until he couldn't breathe and then went into his room to start on his programming. I'm really, really proud of him. And for everyone with a really tough little person, this kid was one of the toughest little people ever. So there's hope! Keep them alive and what they do might surprise you... I think I have said this more than once on this board!!!! You have every reason to be proud and brag/shout it to the hills.
And you also taught me my something new today. I had to google algorithm. Sometimes I feel soooooo dumb!
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Post by milee on Aug 17, 2017 17:05:21 GMT -5
Brag momma, brag! Wondering if since he was such a hard little one, if it was more out of frustration at not being able to express himself/ideas/thoughts, then it was from just being a "hard" kid? .... Yes, I think that was a big part of it. We're pretty sure the only reason he learned to read was because I wouldn't read the operator's manuals of things to him. The first thing I remember him reading over and over was the Otis elevator manual. Next hurdle is college. He's starting the application process. Crossing fingers.
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Post by milee on Aug 17, 2017 17:08:51 GMT -5
Oldest son (17 years old - Senior in HS) really wants to be in Finance. He'd love to have his own hedge fund and thinks he'd be a good Quant. That's a newish field where super nerds use tech to manipulate data, identify patterns and select investments based on the algorithms they develop. Right up his alley. Anyways, he had a friend who worked at a local investment firm and asked the friend if he could talk to the managing partner about some investing algorithm ideas he had. They liked his ideas and hired him. Today was his first formal day at work and Quant boy is so excited, he's talked more today than he has in the last three weeks combined. They've asked him to start by writing a program to identify some sort of pattern exhibited by dividends. Son had an idea for some additional parameters they could use to make the program better and they are letting him run with it. He just got home, talked nonstop until he couldn't breathe and then went into his room to start on his programming. I'm really, really proud of him. And for everyone with a really tough little person, this kid was one of the toughest little people ever. So there's hope! Keep them alive and what they do might surprise you... I think I have said this more than once on this board!!!! You have every reason to be proud and brag/shout it to the hills.
And you also taught me my something new today. I had to google algorithm. Sometimes I feel soooooo dumb!
He makes me feel dumb, too. Sometimes when we're talking I smile and nod but have no clue what he's talking about and have to google it later.
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Post by NoNamePerson on Aug 17, 2017 17:19:14 GMT -5
I think I have said this more than once on this board!!!! You have every reason to be proud and brag/shout it to the hills.
And you also taught me my something new today. I had to google algorithm. Sometimes I feel soooooo dumb!
He makes me feel dumb, too. Sometimes when we're talking I smile and nod but have no clue what he's talking about and have to google it later. What did we do before google? Wear out the dictionary - well in my case that is what I did.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2017 17:29:38 GMT -5
I never felt dumb with my nerdy son. I just assumed he was talking a foreign language. This is exciting, Milee, but don't let this investment firm take advantage of him. They are paying him minimum wage or maybe something in the $10-$12 range, right? I promise you, however, that they own exclusive rights to any intellectual property that he develops under their employment. It's a win/win for them. It doesn't cost them much to let him run with it, but if he really develops something meaningful, they have a home run on their hands. And, hey, I knew what algorithm meant without looking it up. It's what all those investment and retirement calculators use. I also think most of them are flawed.
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Post by alabamagal on Aug 17, 2017 17:33:38 GMT -5
I love me some nerds!
I have posted before also about my ODS who just turned 25. He was always my problem child in elementary school (disorganized, forgetful, doesn't pay attention, can't follow directions) to graduating with honors from college. He has a good paying job and already been promoted twice in 2 1/2 years. He went from no friends in high school to a great group of friends who attended his wedding in June. He married the first and only girl he ever dated and we love her to death. He gained confidence in his math skill in high school and college. He has successfully completed 7 actuary exams all passed on the first attempt (pass rate on each exam is usually around 40%).
During his wedding weekend in June was when I was most proud of him for what he has accomplished academically and career wise, but mainly to see him with his friends and wife. At the rehearsal dinner, he actually stood up and expressed his feelings in front of a crowd and wrote his own wedding vows.
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Post by milee on Aug 17, 2017 17:43:50 GMT -5
.... This is exciting, Milee, but don't let this investment firm take advantage of him. They are paying him minimum wage or maybe something in the $10-$12 range, right? I promise you, however, that they own exclusive rights to any intellectual property that he develops under their employment. It's a win/win for them. It doesn't cost them much to let him run with it, but if he really develops something meaningful, they have a home run on their hands. .... Good idea to point out to him about them owning the IP so he should think hard about which of his original ideas he shares. They are only paying him $10/hr, but I think it's a win/win for them/him. It's more than he'd be making at most teen jobs and it's something he really loves and is excited about. Plus, it is very valuable for him to get some insight on what investment firms and quants actually do before he goes down that path with his degree. Better to know now and make informed choices about college and majors than guess and discover later it's not for him. Plus, the top colleges are getting so much competition in the applicant pools now that it's not enough to have decent grades and SAT/ACT scores, to have an edge students also have to have done research or gotten some depth in something they're interested in. IMO that's insane and asking too much of high school kids, but it is what it is. Him having done actual work and being able to program, research and get some depth in finance will be very helpful for his college application.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2017 17:47:22 GMT -5
I love me some nerds! I have posted before also about my ODS who just turned 25. He was always my problem child in elementary school (disorganized, forgetful, doesn't pay attention, can't follow directions) to graduating with honors from college. He has a good paying job and already been promoted twice in 2 1/2 years. He went from no friends in high school to a great group of friends who attended his wedding in June. He married the first and only girl he ever dated and we love her to death. He gained confidence in his math skill in high school and college. He has successfully completed 7 actuary exams all passed on the first attempt (pass rate on each exam is usually around 40%). During his wedding weekend in June was when I was most proud of him for what he has accomplished academically and career wise, but mainly to see him with his friends and wife. At the rehearsal dinner, he actually stood up and expressed his feelings in front of a crowd and wrote his own wedding vows. I totally get this. My son also married the second girl he ever dated (and he only dated the other girl once). They have been together since they were 15. They are now 38 and have four boys. My son was a problem child in a different way. I've said before that he was probably extremely high functioning Asperger's. He just didn't give a rip what anyone said or did. He enjoyed his own company just fine. His sister was Miss Popularity and worried about him, trying to include him in stuff. He was in a fraternity only because her bf (now husband) befriended him. That sort of thing. He's now a highly successful professional. He probably still doesn't give a rip, but he does a good job playing the corporate game. But he'll never be president or even vice-president. He doesn't give a rip about stuff like that.
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Post by TheOtherMe on Aug 17, 2017 17:48:01 GMT -5
Brag momma, brag! Wondering if since he was such a hard little one, if it was more out of frustration at not being able to express himself/ideas/thoughts, then it was from just being a "hard" kid? At any rate, you have done a wonderful job by exposing him to different ideas/experiences and supporting him. Lol, I'm guessing he got bored easily and would stir stuff up! This is what I did in school until college. From way back in 2nd grade when the teacher made me seat in the coat closet and write numbers to 1000 because I thought all the other kids in my class were so stupid. I drove more than one teacher crazy. Who remembers coat closets? My mom saved everything I brought home from school for years but I asked her to get rid of all those sheets where I wrote my numbers to 1000.
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Post by NoNamePerson on Aug 17, 2017 17:57:28 GMT -5
Lol, I'm guessing he got bored easily and would stir stuff up! This is what I did in school until college. From way back in 2nd grade when the teacher made me seat in the coat closet and write numbers to 1000 because I thought all the other kids in my class were so stupid. I drove more than one teacher crazy. Who remembers coat closets? My mom saved everything I brought home from school for years but I asked her to get rid of all those sheets where I wrote my numbers to 1000. I remember coat closets! I graduated from coat closets in elementary school to sitting in the hall during junior high and high school
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Post by souldoubt on Aug 17, 2017 18:20:11 GMT -5
A friend of mine from high school used to program in his spare time after school. Summer before senior year he got hired by microsoft to work for them in Seattle. Ended up getting his PHD and now works in silicon valley doing quite well while doing something that he loves and still does in his spare time. Even if quant funds don't work out if he likes programming and is good at it he has a bright future ahead of him. Even if he goes another direction showing that kind of drive is something most 17 year old's cant even fathom.
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Post by suesinfl on Aug 17, 2017 18:56:06 GMT -5
It's so refreshing to hear the good things that our kids (even if they are grown adults), are doing as opposed to the current news about their generation. It gives me some hope for humanity.
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Post by milee on Aug 17, 2017 19:08:37 GMT -5
It's so refreshing to hear the good things that our kids (even if they are grown adults), are doing as opposed to the current news about their generation. It gives me some hope for humanity. Well over the years I've posted enough of the um, challenging things about him that it seemed only reasonable to give an update that it looks like he might be OK after all.
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Post by swamp on Aug 17, 2017 20:09:21 GMT -5
Your story gives me hope
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Post by empress of self-improvement on Aug 17, 2017 20:12:03 GMT -5
This is what I did in school until college. From way back in 2nd grade when the teacher made me seat in the coat closet and write numbers to 1000 because I thought all the other kids in my class were so stupid. I drove more than one teacher crazy. Who remembers coat closets? My mom saved everything I brought home from school for years but I asked her to get rid of all those sheets where I wrote my numbers to 1000. I remember coat closets! I graduated from coat closets in elementary school to sitting in the hall during junior high and high school I just got detention in high school. They didn't bother with the hall.
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Post by Anne_in_VA on Aug 18, 2017 6:00:43 GMT -5
Great news milee. You should be proud!
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Post by alabamagal on Aug 18, 2017 7:18:41 GMT -5
I used to hate elementary school honors days. There was always one student - usually a girl, sorry for the gender stereotyping - who got every single award. My kids were not that kid, and in a way I'm glad they were not. My DS is the one who everyone is surprised that is so successful.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2017 7:36:41 GMT -5
My kid is a nerd, but unless something changes, I think his lazy/absentmindedness is going to be overrule the smart.
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Post by milee on Aug 18, 2017 8:33:23 GMT -5
My kid is a nerd, but unless something changes, I think his lazy/absentmindedness is going to be overrule the smart. I thought this might be an issue with Quant Boy, too. But he's really pulled it together over the past few years. Part of it may have been the fact that the "end" was in sight and he realized he wanted to go to a good college so started working harder to do that and part of it might have been just maturing enough that he finally made a few connections. But yes, it's very frustrating as a parent to watch your smart kid flounder when they're just too disorganized and lazy to even do things like turn in the homework that they actually did. If his Middle School grades and work ethic were an indicator of what he'd be in life, I would have had to guess "homeless."
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Post by Miss Tequila on Aug 18, 2017 9:07:38 GMT -5
thats awesome!!
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Post by swamp on Aug 18, 2017 9:34:24 GMT -5
My kid is a nerd, but unless something changes, I think his lazy/absentmindedness is going to be overrule the smart. I thought this might be an issue with Quant Boy, too. But he's really pulled it together over the past few years. Part of it may have been the fact that the "end" was in sight and he realized he wanted to go to a good college so started working harder to do that and part of it might have been just maturing enough that he finally made a few connections. But yes, it's very frustrating as a parent to watch your smart kid flounder when they're just too disorganized and lazy to even do things like turn in the homework that they actually did. If his Middle School grades and work ethic were an indicator of what he'd be in life, I would have had to guess "homeless." Thank you.
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Post by alabamagal on Aug 18, 2017 9:40:23 GMT -5
My kid is a nerd, but unless something changes, I think his lazy/absentmindedness is going to be overrule the smart. I thought this might be an issue with Quant Boy, too. But he's really pulled it together over the past few years. Part of it may have been the fact that the "end" was in sight and he realized he wanted to go to a good college so started working harder to do that and part of it might have been just maturing enough that he finally made a few connections. But yes, it's very frustrating as a parent to watch your smart kid flounder when they're just too disorganized and lazy to even do things like turn in the homework that they actually did. If his Middle School grades and work ethic were an indicator of what he'd be in life, I would have had to guess "homeless." My son didn't really get things totally together until his 2nd year in college. Since his college major his first year was Undecided, the school had him take a 1 hour class in career choices - not sure of the exact title. The information they gave him was really the same as I had been telling him all along, but that is where he got the idea to be an actuary. Once that decision was made he chose his major, got nearly straight As in all his classes and began to focus on what he needed to achieve that goal. Part of helping him get things together was helping him understand what he was good at and what he was not. He would do homework, but it wouldn't get turned in. We even had to have a conference with the principal in middle school letting him know that giving him detention for multiple "missed" homework assignments was doing more harm than good. If he is getting A's on tests, he knows his stuff. As a parent, I am not upset when you get a bad grade in handwriting. In 3rd grade his teacher would mark 5 points off for forgetting to put your name on the test, so you get a 95, no big deal. When I asked my son, he said he was just so anxious to start the test he would skip the name part. Sometimes even to this day my son will ask me questions about everyday life, and I just wonder how he doesn't know these things.
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Post by yogiii on Aug 18, 2017 10:30:46 GMT -5
I thought this might be an issue with Quant Boy, too. But he's really pulled it together over the past few years. Part of it may have been the fact that the "end" was in sight and he realized he wanted to go to a good college so started working harder to do that and part of it might have been just maturing enough that he finally made a few connections. But yes, it's very frustrating as a parent to watch your smart kid flounder when they're just too disorganized and lazy to even do things like turn in the homework that they actually did. If his Middle School grades and work ethic were an indicator of what he'd be in life, I would have had to guess "homeless." My son didn't really get things totally together until his 2nd year in college. Since his college major his first year was Undecided, the school had him take a 1 hour class in career choices - not sure of the exact title. The information they gave him was really the same as I had been telling him all along, but that is where he got the idea to be an actuary. Once that decision was made he chose his major, got nearly straight As in all his classes and began to focus on what he needed to achieve that goal. Part of helping him get things together was helping him understand what he was good at and what he was not. He would do homework, but it wouldn't get turned in. We even had to have a conference with the principal in middle school letting him know that giving him detention for multiple "missed" homework assignments was doing more harm than good. If he is getting A's on tests, he knows his stuff. As a parent, I am not upset when you get a bad grade in handwriting. In 3rd grade his teacher would mark 5 points off for forgetting to put your name on the test, so you get a 95, no big deal. When I asked my son, he said he was just so anxious to start the test he would skip the name part. Sometimes even to this day my son will ask me questions about everyday life, and I just wonder how he doesn't know these things. I think I'm going to have one like this. I'm really hoping later in life he finds a very organized girlfriend.
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Post by milee on Aug 18, 2017 10:43:33 GMT -5
My son didn't really get things totally together until his 2nd year in college. Since his college major his first year was Undecided, the school had him take a 1 hour class in career choices - not sure of the exact title. The information they gave him was really the same as I had been telling him all along, but that is where he got the idea to be an actuary. Once that decision was made he chose his major, got nearly straight As in all his classes and began to focus on what he needed to achieve that goal. Part of helping him get things together was helping him understand what he was good at and what he was not. He would do homework, but it wouldn't get turned in. We even had to have a conference with the principal in middle school letting him know that giving him detention for multiple "missed" homework assignments was doing more harm than good. If he is getting A's on tests, he knows his stuff. As a parent, I am not upset when you get a bad grade in handwriting. In 3rd grade his teacher would mark 5 points off for forgetting to put your name on the test, so you get a 95, no big deal. When I asked my son, he said he was just so anxious to start the test he would skip the name part. Sometimes even to this day my son will ask me questions about everyday life, and I just wonder how he doesn't know these things. I think I'm going to have one like this. I'm really hoping later in life he finds a very organized girlfriend. I just want him to find a nice Significant Other. Several girls have been interested in him (one friend even asked him to prom last year), but he seems oblivious or too awkward to go there at this point. At this point he doesn't seem interested in guys either - and we openly discuss that and I have gay friends who we're close to so I think he'd be comfy telling me if he were feeling interested in guys. Hopefully he'll just be a late bloomer on dating like he was on school. I'm not making a big deal of it because he's the hugely independent type that often reflexively resists whatever is "pushed", but when we talk about colleges, I'm trying to steer him towards ones that have close to a 50/50 male/female ratio. So many of the tech type schools he's interested in have such lopsided ratios that unless there's a bigger gay scene than they're letting on and that's how the additional guys are pairing up, there have to be a lot of kids who aren't likely to find it easy to date just because of scarcity.
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Post by yogiii on Aug 18, 2017 11:24:56 GMT -5
I think I'm going to have one like this. I'm really hoping later in life he finds a very organized girlfriend. I just want him to find a nice Significant Other. Several girls have been interested in him (one friend even asked him to prom last year), but he seems oblivious or too awkward to go there at this point. At this point he doesn't seem interested in guys either - and we openly discuss that and I have gay friends who we're close to so I think he'd be comfy telling me if he were feeling interested in guys. Hopefully he'll just be a late bloomer on dating like he was on school. I'm not making a big deal of it because he's the hugely independent type that often reflexively resists whatever is "pushed", but when we talk about colleges, I'm trying to steer him towards ones that have close to a 50/50 male/female ratio. So many of the tech type schools he's interested in have such lopsided ratios that unless there's a bigger gay scene than they're letting on and that's how the additional guys are pairing up, there have to be a lot of kids who aren't likely to find it easy to date just because of scarcity. Well I didn't want to date anyone in college. I had to study a lot to get the grades I did and with what little free time I had I just wanted to have fun with my friends. I knew I would be the jealous type if I had a bf who was out all the time with girls throwing themselves at him and I wasn't the type to tell someone what they can and can't do so the easiest option for me was just no bfs . One of my male friends did convince me to marry him a few years after graduation. Oh and I should have said significant other. Thanks for the gentle reminder and for not assuming I am a homophobe!
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Post by milee on Aug 18, 2017 12:06:54 GMT -5
I just want him to find a nice Significant Other. Several girls have been interested in him (one friend even asked him to prom last year), but he seems oblivious or too awkward to go there at this point. At this point he doesn't seem interested in guys either - and we openly discuss that and I have gay friends who we're close to so I think he'd be comfy telling me if he were feeling interested in guys. Hopefully he'll just be a late bloomer on dating like he was on school. I'm not making a big deal of it because he's the hugely independent type that often reflexively resists whatever is "pushed", but when we talk about colleges, I'm trying to steer him towards ones that have close to a 50/50 male/female ratio. So many of the tech type schools he's interested in have such lopsided ratios that unless there's a bigger gay scene than they're letting on and that's how the additional guys are pairing up, there have to be a lot of kids who aren't likely to find it easy to date just because of scarcity. Well I didn't want to date anyone in college. I had to study a lot to get the grades I did and with what little free time I had I just wanted to have fun with my friends. I knew I would be the jealous type if I had a bf who was out all the time with girls throwing themselves at him and I wasn't the type to tell someone what they can and can't do so the easiest option for me was just no bfs . One of my male friends did convince me to marry him a few years after graduation. Oh and I should have said significant other. Thanks for the gentle reminder and for not assuming I am a homophobe! I didn't remotely assume you are a homophobe. Going with probability, it's not unreasonable to assume that most teens are going to date someone of the opposite sex. You didn't write anything that would indicate any bias, just that you were going with the odds. No worries.
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