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Post by Bonny on Aug 17, 2017 17:00:17 GMT -5
DH and I have talked about doing the Ancestry.com thing.
Since I am of the spotted race with reddish hair it's obvious I've got a lot of Celt in me; Irish, Scottish and Welsh. But Dad was what they call "Black Irish"; black hair and blue eyes which is typically explained as a Moorish influence from Spanish sailors who landed on the West Coast of Ireland.
I'm really curious about my maternal grandfather as his family was here longer than anyone else's. The other three were first generation Americans. He came from a small town in Tennessee and according to my mother was Dutch, English and Welsh. But my mother would tan a little so I'm thinking there's probably something more that the family didn't talk about.
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Post by thyme4change on Aug 17, 2017 18:12:33 GMT -5
My husband's test was a hundred bucks to find out he is white. He really, really wanted me to take one too. I said "so we can spend two hundred bucks to find out our kids are white?"
I'm considering getting the health one because my niece is a genetic counselor and could tell me some cool stuff.
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Post by Tiny on Aug 17, 2017 18:24:59 GMT -5
Not 100% sure, but when my brother did my parent's DNA test I think family members that we now know and that he suspected through his genealogy research showed up in a list of suggested relatives. A woman who he suspected was mom's half sister agreed to take a DNA test and it was definitive that at 70 years old, my mom found 6 half-siblings she never knew existed. They have all visited one another and it has all been pretty cool. Good for your mom to find them all so late in her life. Must have been exciting for her. I found out my mother had a half-brother when I was in my early thirties. He was the son of my mother's father from his first marriage. My grandmother hated the fact she was her husband's second wife (I guess she found out after they got married) and made my mother and aunt swear they would never mention the half-brother's name.
My mom eventually traveled to where ever her half-brother lived to meet him and his family. If this was long enough ago - maybe she was worried if something happened to her husband - the half brother would have more of a right to the 'estate' than she and her 2 daughters.... Not saying that's what was going on, but the not so distant past favored 'male' heirs over wives and daughters.
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Post by Tiny on Aug 17, 2017 18:27:52 GMT -5
eh, I did the 23 and me test and it wasn't very enlightening... other than the % of Neanderthal - which totally explains my brothers...
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Post by Tiny on Aug 17, 2017 18:33:10 GMT -5
From the article: This "explanation" for the ability to include someone with 'questionable' DNA made me want to So in one nation having Ghengis Khan as your ancestor won’t disqualify you, while in others it might. Hypothetically, I might take a DNA test and find that I don’t qualify for every nation and every nation’s standards, though I'm sure that at least one of those nations (and probably many of them) will have standards that would include me.
I'm hoping the light bulb went off over his head when he realized he's already part of the rest of the humanity without needing a DNA test...
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 17, 2017 18:41:36 GMT -5
Good for your mom to find them all so late in her life. Must have been exciting for her. I found out my mother had a half-brother when I was in my early thirties. He was the son of my mother's father from his first marriage. My grandmother hated the fact she was her husband's second wife (I guess she found out after they got married) and made my mother and aunt swear they would never mention the half-brother's name.
My mom eventually traveled to where ever her half-brother lived to meet him and his family. If this was long enough ago - maybe she was worried if something happened to her husband - the half brother would have more of a right to the 'estate' than she and her 2 daughters.... Not saying that's what was going on, but the not so distant past favored 'male' heirs over wives and daughters. My grandfather died around 1952. I think I was one years old when he died. My grandparents had very little. So no claim on the estate. Some background-my grandmother was planning on divorcing my grandfather when in 1923 she found herself pregnant with her first child, my mother (born in 1924). When she found out she was pregnant, she knew she could not survive as a single parent so she remained with my grandfather until his death. And because it was my mother who spoiled my grandmother's chance of getting a divorce and being child free, my grandmother took it out on my mother until about the last two years of her life when she died at the age of 94-95. I am not sure when my mother first found out about her half-brother. If she were still alive, I would ask her. Not a big deal though. Just a curiosity.
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Post by Bonny on Aug 17, 2017 19:21:44 GMT -5
Good for your mom to find them all so late in her life. Must have been exciting for her. I found out my mother had a half-brother when I was in my early thirties. He was the son of my mother's father from his first marriage. My grandmother hated the fact she was her husband's second wife (I guess she found out after they got married) and made my mother and aunt swear they would never mention the half-brother's name.
My mom eventually traveled to where ever her half-brother lived to meet him and his family. If this was long enough ago - maybe she was worried if something happened to her husband - the half brother would have more of a right to the 'estate' than she and her 2 daughters.... Not saying that's what was going on, but the not so distant past favored 'male' heirs over wives and daughters. You might find this article interesting as it sounds like the children would have shared equally but over time the widow's share has changed over time depending on the state;
www.loc.gov/law/help/inheritance-laws/unitedstates.php
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Post by Value Buy on Aug 17, 2017 19:35:55 GMT -5
because of Pangaea (when all the continents were fused together), no one is truly pure. I thought the continents had broken off by the time mankind made their debut. Any archeologists here to confirm this? I think over the years we have discussed this issue here and someone can name the only original races that we all evolved from.
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 17, 2017 19:56:18 GMT -5
The only race was old world apes.
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Post by andi9899 on Aug 18, 2017 7:05:02 GMT -5
I think I'm pure. But I'd be pure Mexican, not European.
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Post by tractor on Aug 18, 2017 7:20:44 GMT -5
I should try this, I'm 100% Dutch on my dads side. My mothers side is part Irish, part North Carolina mountain folk (whatever race that is).
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Post by andi9899 on Aug 18, 2017 7:23:54 GMT -5
Is it sad that I'm really more interested in knowing what kind of dogs I have?
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Post by Anne_in_VA on Aug 18, 2017 10:12:49 GMT -5
Is it sad that I'm really more interested in knowing what kind of dogs I have? I'm more interested in what kind of cat I have.
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 18, 2017 10:17:35 GMT -5
Is it sad that I'm really more interested in knowing what kind of dogs I have? I'm more interested in what kind of cat I have. And where any of their ancestors once royalty.
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Post by swamp on Aug 18, 2017 10:19:05 GMT -5
I think I'm pure. But I'd be pure Mexican, not European. aren't mexicans a mix of spanish and native?
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Post by MJ2.0 on Aug 18, 2017 10:29:34 GMT -5
because of Pangaea (when all the continents were fused together), no one is truly pure. I thought the continents had broken off by the time mankind made their debut. Any archeologists here to confirm this? I think over the years we have discussed this issue here and someone can name the only original races that we all evolved from. I think you might be right. But the seeds for life as we know it now it came from that region. It was like a super-sized Africa.
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Post by MJ2.0 on Aug 18, 2017 10:31:00 GMT -5
I think I'm pure. But I'd be pure Mexican, not European. aren't mexicans a mix of spanish and native? Latinos are a mix of Spanish and Native America. If memory serves me right, Mexicans are essentially Native American. I think.
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Post by WholeLottaNothin on Aug 18, 2017 10:33:39 GMT -5
those eyes though.... By the way about the white guy, Craig Cobb: he's the guy who was buying up all the available property in Leith, North Dakota to create an all white town. The folks living in the town were quite uncomfortable with his activity. Craig CobbI watched a documentary on Netflix awhile back about this...I'll have to see if I can remember what it was called. It was interesting and disturbing.
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Post by WholeLottaNothin on Aug 18, 2017 10:36:27 GMT -5
It's called Welcome to Leith. Google to the rescue!
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Post by andi9899 on Aug 18, 2017 10:59:55 GMT -5
I think I'm pure. But I'd be pure Mexican, not European. aren't mexicans a mix of spanish and native? Oh yeah. Duh. I forgot about that. Spanish and Aztec. Nevermind me.
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Post by MJ2.0 on Aug 18, 2017 11:14:35 GMT -5
or I could be wrong... again...
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Aug 18, 2017 13:54:08 GMT -5
I want to take one. I am pretty sure from my Dad's side I am all Eastern European, but may be some surprises from my Mom's side. I would like DH to take one. His family has a lot of stories, including great-grandmother "stolen from the reservation". Just wondering..... Assuming many Americans and others around the world have taken these DNA tests, do the results tell you if you have live relatives living somewhere in the U.S. (for example) you may not be aware of whose DNA may match yours? dh and I have done the tests via Ancestry. It does link you up with people you may be related to. He's got a tree going on his account so when he can, he's checking his and their tree to see if the match. What I've found most interesting is that the DNA splits aren't even. My dh ended up with every English gene his mom and dad had so his DNA test showed like 27% English, while his mom's was only 15% and dad's would have been 12%. I made up numbers because I don't remember his breakdown. But I think I had just assumed he's have 7.5% from his mom and 6% from his dad for a total of 13.5%. But it's not that easy.
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Post by NastyWoman on Aug 18, 2017 14:34:33 GMT -5
I should try this, I'm 100% Dutch on my dads side. My mothers side is part Irish, part North Carolina mountain folk (whatever race that is). So am I and I believe I am ~99% Dutch on my mom's side. Through the centuries there is a (very light) sprinkling of Belgian and German in there, as well as one French man before the French revolution. Aside from the French guy the others were partially Dutch as well. This is going back to the early 1600's. Before that all bets are off.
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Post by teen persuasion on Aug 18, 2017 15:47:04 GMT -5
DH and I have talked about doing the Ancestry.com thing.
Since I am of the spotted race with reddish hair it's obvious I've got a lot of Celt in me; Irish, Scottish and Welsh. But Dad was what they call "Black Irish"; black hair and blue eyes which is typically explained as a Moorish influence from Spanish sailors who landed on the West Coast of Ireland.
I'm really curious about my maternal grandfather as his family was here longer than anyone else's. The other three were first generation Americans. He came from a small town in Tennessee and according to my mother was Dutch, English and Welsh. But my mother would tan a little so I'm thinking there's probably something more that the family didn't talk about. Thanks, Bonny! DD1 did the 23andme test, and was surprised at the % from the Iberian peninsula, a completely unexpected component. My mom's family is most definitely Irish, with a bit of English, but there's no redheads in the family. We are all very fair, blue-eyed, with dark hair. Spanish sailors could definitely explain the connection. Her one other surprise was .1% East Asian. Of course, DH is adopted, so is a total wildcard. He's considering testing for health, and genealogy.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Aug 18, 2017 16:21:08 GMT -5
Assuming many Americans and others around the world have taken these DNA tests, do the results tell you if you have live relatives living somewhere in the U.S. (for example) you may not be aware of whose DNA may match yours? dh and I have done the tests via Ancest ry. It does link you up with people you may be related to. He's got a tree going on his account so when he can, he's checking his and their tree to see if the match. What I've found most interesting is that the DNA splits aren't even. My dh ended up with every English gene his mom and dad had so his DNA test showed like 27% English, while his mom's was only 15% and dad's would have been 12%. I made up numbers because I don't remember his breakdown. But I think I had just assumed he's have 7.5% from his mom and 6% from his dad for a total of 13.5%. But it's not that easy. This is accurate, BUT it only links you to people who have tested with Ancestry. You could have matches who tested via FTDNA or 23and me and you will not see them on Ancestry. If you are serious about finding matches, you can, for free, upload your raw data to Gedmatch.com. They have some very cool tools for running tests. I've always known that I had three half siblings from my father's 2nd marriage. He kept his first family a secret for over 60 years. They found me on Ancestry and we all are very happy to have found each other.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Aug 18, 2017 16:25:06 GMT -5
A little unrelated, my cousin was adopted. She's now 50 with grown children but has never told them. I'm sure they know from hearing things at family functions over 30+ years. I argued with her years ago that it was unfair to not tell them. She's a wonderful person, intelligent, a teacher, but she has always had a complex problem. If any of her children decide to test, they will find out. And they will have to deal with their mother's deceit (which might be even more difficult). Referencing my previous post, my half sibs really were stunned at learning about their father's deceit. And I don't think they regard him with the same amount of respect..... I wonder if your cousin has considered that. More and more people are testing -for assorted reasons. And there ARE surprises.
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Post by Bonny on Aug 18, 2017 17:02:38 GMT -5
I should try this, I'm 100% Dutch on my dads side. My mothers side is part Irish, part North Carolina mountain folk (whatever race that is). Our friend who is Dutch on both sides is actually 1/8th East Timor. Those guys from the Dutch East Indian Company got around.
He does some government law work and that 1/8 minority status gets him bonus points in the contracting system.
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Post by Bonny on Aug 18, 2017 17:10:59 GMT -5
DH and I have talked about doing the Ancestry.com thing.
Since I am of the spotted race with reddish hair it's obvious I've got a lot of Celt in me; Irish, Scottish and Welsh. But Dad was what they call "Black Irish"; black hair and blue eyes which is typically explained as a Moorish influence from Spanish sailors who landed on the West Coast of Ireland.
I'm really curious about my maternal grandfather as his family was here longer than anyone else's. The other three were first generation Americans. He came from a small town in Tennessee and according to my mother was Dutch, English and Welsh. But my mother would tan a little so I'm thinking there's probably something more that the family didn't talk about. Thanks, Bonny! DD1 did the 23andme test, and was surprised at the % from the Iberian peninsula, a completely unexpected component. My mom's family is most definitely Irish, with a bit of English, but there's no redheads in the family. We are all very fair, blue-eyed, with dark hair. Spanish sailors could definitely explain the connection. Her one other surprise was .1% East Asian.Of course, DH is adopted, so is a total wildcard. He's considering testing for health, and genealogy. See my post #57 to Tractor. If there's a Dutch influence that might explain the East Asian although that % seems so low you might dismiss it as an error.
DFIL was adopted from England when he was around 5. He was born in 1932. With his coloring I think there was a fair bit of Celt in him (passed in 2001). DH's mother's side are Hungarian Jews but DH would get a red beard even though his hair was darker brown.
I think there's a lot of mutt in all of us.
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Post by countrygirl2 on Aug 18, 2017 22:03:18 GMT -5
I'm white, eastern European, irish, scandnavian,probably the dutch and French, with grandparents that are neandrethal 250 grandparents back.
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Post by NancysSummerSip on Aug 20, 2017 12:09:23 GMT -5
I'd be curious about taking the test as well.
I am Eastern European (Hungarian/Romanian/Austrian) on mom's side, Russian on Dad's side. But I am dark-skinned and tan easily, with kinky, curly hair, so I suspect there is some Mediterranean or possibly northern African influence in there somewhere. I know my maternal great-grandfather had two wives and 12 children in all between wife #1 and wife #2. I know wife #2 was not Jewish, and possibly non-white, which I was told enraged the family and resulted in getting him excommunicated from both family and Jewish life.
I have family photographs, inherited from my mother, but nothing of the second wife in any of the albums, and no paper proof of her existence, such as a marriage or death certificate. No one ever spoke of her by name, though references were made to her existence.
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