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Post by steff on Aug 13, 2017 22:35:44 GMT -5
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Post by Shooby on Aug 13, 2017 22:38:07 GMT -5
Do you know why that person was at the event? Some people were simply there to protest the removal of the statue. That doesnt' make someone a racist. But, the whole 'innocent until proven guilty" only applies one way doesn't it?
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Post by Opti on Aug 13, 2017 22:45:53 GMT -5
Do you know why that person was at the event? Some people were simply there to protest the removal of the statue. That doesnt' make someone a racist. But, the whole 'innocent until proven guilty" only applies one way doesn't it?Yep. It applies in US courts, but not on message boards or for most employers.
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Post by steff on Aug 13, 2017 22:47:39 GMT -5
I think it's pretty clear
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 13, 2017 23:23:49 GMT -5
I think it's pretty clear That's the most famous protester to date: Peter Cvjetanovic. He's disliking all the internet attention.
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Post by steff on Aug 13, 2017 23:27:25 GMT -5
I think it's pretty clear That's the most famous protester to date: Peter Cvjetanovic. He's disliking all the internet attention. ahhhh poor baby. Here's the guy that got fired from his hot dog job. One Cole White.
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 13, 2017 23:32:14 GMT -5
Someone needs to identify this guy. His family must be so proud of him. (Maybe they are.)
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Post by steff on Aug 13, 2017 23:34:54 GMT -5
the twitter acct @yesyoureracist is doing an amazing job at getting them identified. Check his twitter & see if he's already tagged that guy. He found 1 guy by his high school buddies identifying him. He also identified James Allsup, the president of Washington State University’s chapter of the College Republicans.
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 13, 2017 23:40:16 GMT -5
I will check it out. Thanks.
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Post by ken a.k.a OMK on Aug 14, 2017 9:45:36 GMT -5
Maybe they will go back to wearing hoods like the cowards they were before.
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 14, 2017 11:50:18 GMT -5
Father disowns Neo-Nazi son: “You’ll have to shovel our bodies into the oven, too”Marching in the violent neo-Nazi and white supremacist rally in Charlottesville, Va this past weekend seems to have cost one participant his family. In a letter to a Fargo, ND newspaper, Pearce Tefft denounced his son Pete Tefft for participating in the “Unite the Right” rally. The younger Tefft was interviewed by ABC affiliate WDAZ, where he confirmed his white nationalist views. “I, along with all of his siblings and his entire family, wish to loudly repudiate my son’s vile, hateful and racist rhetoric and actions,” Pearce Tefft wrote. Particularly striking was the elder Tefft turning his son’s reference to Nazi treatment of Jews and dissenters during the Holocaust around on him in a stark plea. “He once joked, ‘The thing about us fascists is, it’s not that we don’t believe in freedom of speech. You can say whatever you want. We’ll just throw you in an oven,'” Tefft wrote. “Peter, you will have to shovel our bodies into the oven, too. Please son, renounce the hate, accept and love all.” In the letter, Tefft says that his son is no longer welcome at home or at family gatherings until he renounces his Nazi views: Complete article here: Father disowns Neo-Nazi son: “You’ll have to shovel our bodies into the oven, too”
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Post by milee on Aug 14, 2017 12:42:35 GMT -5
I love the idea of name and shame, but I'm a little worried about the potential for error or misuse.
It would be fantastic to know who all the neo-Nazis, KKK members, etc are... especially so their family, friends and employers can decide for themselves if that's the type person they want to associate with.
But... what happens when someone is misidentified? What if the picture that looks like someone yelling at a Nazi march was actually a picture of a person who was there to counter-protest or is just standing out front protecting his/her business? What happens when someone is "named" but it turns out to be the wrong person? The police in London just admitted they arrested the wrong guy after someone misidentified the jogger that pushed a woman in front of the bus. Locally, there's a horrible animal cruelty incident that's under investigation and the people involved and their families are getting death threats... except one of the people "involved" was misidentified and the message doesn't seem to have gotten out to the people issuing the death threats against his family. In both those recent cases of mistaken identity, the articles noting the person was misidentified were much smaller and further back in the newspaper than the ones originally "identifying" the person. In other words, it would be horrible to name and shame someone on a site like this if there was no way for a person who was misidentified to clear themselves and get the whole thing totally scrubbed.
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Post by swamp on Aug 14, 2017 12:56:27 GMT -5
I love the idea of name and shame, but I'm a little worried about the potential for error or misuse. It would be fantastic to know who all the neo-Nazis, KKK members, etc are... especially so their family, friends and employers can decide for themselves if that's the type person they want to associate with. But... what happens when someone is misidentified? What if the picture that looks like someone yelling at a Nazi march was actually a picture of a person who was there to counter-protest or is just standing out front protecting his/her business? What happens when someone is "named" but it turns out to be the wrong person? The police in London just admitted they arrested the wrong guy after someone misidentified the jogger that pushed a woman in front of the train. Locally, there's a horrible animal cruelty incident that's under investigation and the people involved and their families are getting death threats... except one of the people "involved" was misidentified and the message doesn't seem to have gotten out to the people issuing the death threats against his family. In both those recent cases of mistaken identity, the articles noting the person was misidentified were much smaller and further back in the newspaper than the ones originally "identifying" the person. In other words, it would be horrible to name and shame someone on a site like this if there was no way for a person who was misidentified to clear themselves and get the whole thing totally scrubbed. I do worry about that. I could see that if a protect was going on, I may stop to watch and get my photo in there with them.
However, in this case, the guy holding the tiki torch and yelling is pretty clearly involved.
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 14, 2017 14:32:59 GMT -5
"This is from the neo-Nazi "Daily Stormer" and is their justification of the Charlottesville murder. "She was Fat and a Drain on Society. Despite feigned outrage by the media, most people are glad she is dead, as she is the definition of uselessness. A 32-year-old woman without children is a burden on society and has no value. Due to female privilege, and the fact that they do virtually nothing their entire lives, women live an average of 5 years longer than men. The average female lifespan is 81 years. That means for 49 more years, this fat slob would have been leeching off of men’s work. Childless women are black hole vortexes of public money and energy. Had she not died yesterday, hundreds of thousands of dollars would have been spent on propping-up this gross creature who had failed to do her most basic duty – her only real duty, in fact – and reproduce. Having no children at that age, it can be assumed that she had multiple abortions, and was thus herself a child murderer." Daily Stormer
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Post by NastyWoman on Aug 14, 2017 14:59:03 GMT -5
"This is from the neo-Nazi "Daily Stormer" and is their justification of the Charlottesville murder. "She was Fat and a Drain on Society. Despite feigned outrage by the media, most people are glad she is dead, as she is the definition of uselessness. A 32-year-old woman without children is a burden on society and has no value. Due to female privilege, and the fact that they do virtually nothing their entire lives, women live an average of 5 years longer than men. The average female lifespan is 81 years. That means for 49 more years, this fat slob would have been leeching off of men’s work. Childless women are black hole vortexes of public money and energy. Had she not died yesterday, hundreds of thousands of dollars would have been spent on propping-up this gross creature who had failed to do her most basic duty – her only real duty, in fact – and reproduce. Having no children at that age, it can be assumed that she had multiple abortions, and was thus herself a child murderer." Daily StormerHUH ? I can't even...
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Post by Waffle on Aug 14, 2017 15:01:15 GMT -5
"This is from the neo-Nazi "Daily Stormer" and is their justification of the Charlottesville murder. "She was Fat and a Drain on Society. Despite feigned outrage by the media, most people are glad she is dead, as she is the definition of uselessness. A 32-year-old woman without children is a burden on society and has no value. Due to female privilege, and the fact that they do virtually nothing their entire lives, women live an average of 5 years longer than men. The average female lifespan is 81 years. That means for 49 more years, this fat slob would have been leeching off of men’s work. Childless women are black hole vortexes of public money and energy. Had she not died yesterday, hundreds of thousands of dollars would have been spent on propping-up this gross creature who had failed to do her most basic duty – her only real duty, in fact – and reproduce. Having no children at that age, it can be assumed that she had multiple abortions, and was thus herself a child murderer." Daily StormerThat is just appalling. That people believe any of this is deeply disturbing. I really can't find the words to adequately describe how disgusted I am by that string of lies.
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 14, 2017 15:06:51 GMT -5
This is what America is dealing with right now. it was pretty well hidden in past years but now it has gone public.
The question now is how do we address it.
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Post by hurley1980 on Aug 14, 2017 15:09:54 GMT -5
Well shit, I didn't realize that as a 37 year old, single, childless woman, I am such a drain on society! My tax bill would beg to differ....
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Post by MJ2.0 on Aug 14, 2017 15:17:06 GMT -5
doesn't even make sense... unless she was drawing welfare, how is she a drain? This dude has clearly never gotten laid - that would explain all the hatred of single women.
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Post by swamp on Aug 14, 2017 15:27:12 GMT -5
I didn't have a child until I was 36. It's a good thing I redeemed myself!
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Post by bean29 on Aug 14, 2017 15:43:54 GMT -5
I didn't have a child until I was 36. It's a good thing I redeemed myself!
It doesn't make up for the vileness of the statement. They could have murdered you before you had your first child.
We really should not let Trump or anyone make statements that many sides are responsible for the actions of a few. I guess it is good the focus is being put on what these groups represent, but let's not whitewash what they stand for.
imho, they are blatantly saying they did it for Trump, Trump is known to be an admirer of Hitler. Congress should denounce the racism of the Alt-Right White Supremacist groups. The Republican party needs to distance themselves from White Supremacists and re-iterate that they will defend equality for all.
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Post by busymom on Aug 14, 2017 16:08:34 GMT -5
"This is from the neo-Nazi "Daily Stormer" and is their justification of the Charlottesville murder. "She was Fat and a Drain on Society. Despite feigned outrage by the media, most people are glad she is dead, as she is the definition of uselessness. A 32-year-old woman without children is a burden on society and has no value. Due to female privilege, and the fact that they do virtually nothing their entire lives, women live an average of 5 years longer than men. The average female lifespan is 81 years. That means for 49 more years, this fat slob would have been leeching off of men’s work. Childless women are black hole vortexes of public money and energy. Had she not died yesterday, hundreds of thousands of dollars would have been spent on propping-up this gross creature who had failed to do her most basic duty – her only real duty, in fact – and reproduce. Having no children at that age, it can be assumed that she had multiple abortions, and was thus herself a child murderer." Daily StormerThat is just appalling. That people believe any of this is deeply disturbing. I really can't find the words to adequately describe how disgusted I am by that string of lies. Sheesh! I didn't have MY first child until I was in my 30's. And, like this young woman, I was working full time at her age. (I've never had an abortion, either.) If she wasn't working, they'd go the other extreme on how she was a "drain on society". But, she was supporting herself, and somehow she's a "burden on society". What a crap piece of writing!
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Post by swamp on Aug 14, 2017 17:31:40 GMT -5
I didn't have a child until I was 36. It's a good thing I redeemed myself!
It doesn't make up for the vileness of the statement. They could have murdered you before you had your first child.
We really should not let Trump or anyone make statements that many sides are responsible for the actions of a few. I guess it is good the focus is being put on what these groups represent, but let's not whitewash what they stand for.
imho, they are blatantly saying they did it for Trump, Trump is known to be an admirer of Hitler. Congress should denounce the racism of the Alt-Right White Supremacist groups. The Republican party needs to distance themselves from White Supremacists and re-iterate that they will defend equality for all.
It was sarcasm.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Aug 14, 2017 17:41:35 GMT -5
doesn't even make sense... unless she was drawing welfare, how is she a drain? This dude has clearly never gotten laid - that would explain all the hatred of single women. That's what I couldn't understand...it would still be disgusting but if she were on welfare it would at least fit his venom. He is not only a disgusting human, he is also a moron
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Post by Miss Tequila on Aug 14, 2017 17:42:37 GMT -5
I didn't have a child until I was 36. It's a good thing I redeemed myself!
Damn good thing...no your place in life, dammit!
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Post by Shooby on Aug 14, 2017 19:40:21 GMT -5
Amazing how some of you are all about innocent until proven guilty, but now you want to name and shame, lol.
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Post by NastyWoman on Aug 14, 2017 19:41:19 GMT -5
doesn't even make sense... unless she was drawing welfare, how is she a drain? This dude has clearly never gotten laid - that would explain all the hatred of single women. That's what I couldn't understand...it would still be disgusting but if she were on welfare it would at least fit his venom. He is not only a disgusting human, he is also a moron And what does his statement say about his respect for his own mother? Obviously her one and only duty, her raison d'être, was to give birth to this devil's spawn <shudder> and his potential siblings
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 14, 2017 20:41:16 GMT -5
Amazing how some of you are all about innocent until proven guilty, but now you want to name and shame, lol. None of the people exposed on this thread have been charged with a crime. But they are guilty of stupidity when their identities are discovered and so are their social media sites they vist and contribute to which then confirms their remarks and reason they were in Charlottsville and causing trouble. And if you must continue with your innocent until proven guilty thing when no crime has been comitted, well then their own words and actions have convicted them in the court of public opinion.
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