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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 9, 2017 8:51:43 GMT -5
Why does Chicago surprise you, Valuebuy?
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Post by NoNamePerson on Aug 9, 2017 9:05:59 GMT -5
Heck there are parts of my city I don't visit And we aren't on the list!!
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Post by NancysSummerSip on Aug 9, 2017 9:21:35 GMT -5
Most of Chicago isn't the issue. It's the south side that has the worst violent crime rate, and that is only a portion of the city. Also the part you hear about the most because of the numbers. The downtown area is actually pretty safe.
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Post by Value Buy on Aug 9, 2017 9:22:23 GMT -5
Why does Chicago surprise you, Valuebuy? In reality is does not. We have had this discussion on the Chiraq thread before. I did not say it surprised me. I said it did not make the list! Maybe the NAACP had it correct when they put Missouri on the do not visit list, because ST LOUIS made the top ten list! We also know many cities are more dangerous than Chicago, but due to shear numbers of people shot and killed in Chicago, it is a problem. Chicago does not even make the number one slot for Illinois. I simply talk about Chicago because I live close to it, and it is on the local news alive and in color every night on stations showing the carnage. Incidently, I was in Alexandria Virginia last week, and the local stations were in a tither over ten shootings in D.C over the weekend. I think only two died, and there was outrage over this amount of shootings and it should not happen here. Ten shootings in a weekend in Chicago is impossible. They do that almost in a day on the weekend.
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Post by Value Buy on Aug 9, 2017 9:24:52 GMT -5
Most of Chicago isn't the issue. It's the south side that has the worst violent crime rate, and that is only a portion of the city. Also the part you hear about the most because of the numbers. The downtown area is actually pretty safe. This summer some of the violence has moved to the beaches and lakefront parks as well as the River walk area downtown. Police coverage of the area has dramatically increased. Admittedly the vast majority of the shootings is black on black, fueled by the drug business in the south neighborhoods.
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 9, 2017 9:43:50 GMT -5
Why does Chicago surprise you, Valuebuy? In reality is does not. We have had this discussion on the Chiraq thread before. I did not say it surprised me. I said it did not make the list! Maybe the NAACP had it correct when they put Missouri on the do not visit list, because ST LOUIS made the top ten list! We also know many cities are more dangerous than Chicago, but due to shear numbers of people shot and killed in Chicago, it is a problem. Chicago does not even make the number one slot for Illinois. I simply talk about Chicago because I live close to it, and it is on the local news alive and in color every night on stations showing the carnage. Incidently, I was in Alexandria Virginia last week, and the local stations were in a tither over ten shootings in D.C over the weekend. I think only two died, and there was outrage over this amount of shootings and it should not happen here. Ten shootings in a weekend in Chicago is impossible. They do that almost in a day on the weekend. Small point about the highlighted above: an exclamation mark is used to show surprise, astonishment, or another strong emotion. That is why I asked. NancysSummerSip is correct in her response. The crimes are limited to specific areas and the ranking is based upon the number of occurrences and the population of the city. Just like they are in Memphis which is rated #2. I know what areas in my city to avoid. And there is nothing in those areas which would be of interest to visitors to the city seeing the sights. We're almost #1!
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Post by zibazinski on Aug 9, 2017 9:47:21 GMT -5
I don't like visiting a city that has to have police on every corner and sometimes in the middle of the block.
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Post by Value Buy on Aug 9, 2017 9:56:50 GMT -5
In reality is does not. We have had this discussion on the Chiraq thread before. I did not say it surprised me. I said it did not make the list! Maybe the NAACP had it correct when they put Missouri on the do not visit list, because ST LOUIS made the top ten list! We also know many cities are more dangerous than Chicago, but due to shear numbers of people shot and killed in Chicago, it is a problem. Chicago does not even make the number one slot for Illinois. I simply talk about Chicago because I live close to it, and it is on the local news alive and in color every night on stations showing the carnage. Incidently, I was in Alexandria Virginia last week, and the local stations were in a tither over ten shootings in D.C over the weekend. I think only two died, and there was outrage over this amount of shootings and it should not happen here. Ten shootings in a weekend in Chicago is impossible. They do that almost in a day on the weekend. Small point about the highlighted above: an exclamation mark is used to show surprise, astonishment, or another strong emotion. That is why I asked. NancysSummerSip is correct in her response. The crimes are limited to specific areas and the ranking is based upon the number of occurrences and the population of the city. Just like they are in Memphis which is rated #2. I know what areas in my city to avoid. And there is nothing in those areas which would be of interest to visitors to the city seeing the sights. We're almost #1! Sometimes an exclamation mark is simply that. I am happy Chi-town missed the list! And Chicago has seen the beaches and downtown area have an uptick in shootings this summer. They even closed an underground walkway under a street in the river walk area after around 9pm (give or take) til dawn because of problems with shootings and robberies of joggers using it to get to the beach paths. There is also a jogging path on an old railway line where they posted signs to be careful after dark due to muggings and robberies and this is in a "safe area". Let's not even get started on the number of tourists and citizens robbed on the Magnificent Mile, as well smash and grabs of businesses in other "safe areas" of the city that has nothing to do with the gun shootings.
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Post by zibazinski on Aug 9, 2017 10:02:25 GMT -5
This was the Miracle Mile I was referring to.
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Post by Tiny on Aug 9, 2017 10:13:49 GMT -5
Small point about the highlighted above: an exclamation mark is used to show surprise, astonishment, or another strong emotion. That is why I asked. NancysSummerSip is correct in her response. The crimes are limited to specific areas and the ranking is based upon the number of occurrences and the population of the city. Just like they are in Memphis which is rated #2. I know what areas in my city to avoid. And there is nothing in those areas which would be of interest to visitors to the city seeing the sights. We're almost #1! Sometimes an exclamation mark is simply that. I am happy Chi-town missed the list! And Chicago has seen the beaches and downtown area have an uptick in shootings this summer. They even closed an underground walkway under a street in the river walk area after around 9pm (give or take) til dawn because of problems with shootings and robberies of joggers using it to get to the beach paths. There is also a jogging path on an old railway line where they posted signs to be careful after dark due to muggings and robberies and this is in a "safe area". Let's not even get started on the number of tourists and citizens robbed on the Magnificent Mile, as well smash and grabs of businesses in other "safe areas" of the city that has nothing to do with the gun shootings. But that kind of crime happens in most big cities/densely populated areas. I'm not excusing it - just pointing it out. The City of Chicago is 234 square miles and is filled with 3 million people.
Maybe it's because I'm a woman and have lived with the idea/concept/thought that very very very few places are actually "safe". Maybe guys are brought up differently and learn that very few places are "unsafe"? and so are more effected when they realize that any place can be 'unsafe'?
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Post by weltschmerz on Aug 9, 2017 13:32:27 GMT -5
Sometimes an exclamation mark is simply that. I am happy Chi-town missed the list! And Chicago has seen the beaches and downtown area have an uptick in shootings this summer. They even closed an underground walkway under a street in the river walk area after around 9pm (give or take) til dawn because of problems with shootings and robberies of joggers using it to get to the beach paths. There is also a jogging path on an old railway line where they posted signs to be careful after dark due to muggings and robberies and this is in a "safe area". Let's not even get started on the number of tourists and citizens robbed on the Magnificent Mile, as well smash and grabs of businesses in other "safe areas" of the city that has nothing to do with the gun shootings. But that kind of crime happens in most big cities/densely populated areas. I'm not excusing it - just pointing it out. The City of Chicago is 234 square miles and is filled with 3 million people.
Maybe it's because I'm a woman and have lived with the idea/concept/thought that very very very few places are actually "safe". Maybe guys are brought up differently and learn that very few places are "unsafe"? and so are more effected when they realize that any place can be 'unsafe'?
I live in a city of over 3 million people. That kind of crime does not happen in most big cities/densely populated areas.
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Post by obelisk on Aug 10, 2017 8:47:19 GMT -5
Sometimes an exclamation mark is simply that. I am happy Chi-town missed the list! And Chicago has seen the beaches and downtown area have an uptick in shootings this summer. They even closed an underground walkway under a street in the river walk area after around 9pm (give or take) til dawn because of problems with shootings and robberies of joggers using it to get to the beach paths. There is also a jogging path on an old railway line where they posted signs to be careful after dark due to muggings and robberies and this is in a "safe area". Let's not even get started on the number of tourists and citizens robbed on the Magnificent Mile, as well smash and grabs of businesses in other "safe areas" of the city that has nothing to do with the gun shootings. But that kind of crime happens in most big cities/densely populated areas. I'm not excusing it - just pointing it out. The City of Chicago is 234 square miles and is filled with 3 million people.
Maybe it's because I'm a woman and have lived with the idea/concept/thought that very very very few places are actually "safe". Maybe guys are brought up differently and learn that very few places are "unsafe"? and so are more effected when they realize that any place can be 'unsafe'?
I am currently vacationing in a city with 25million plus people and this type of crime does not happen. It is sad when you say that it is the new normal as expected in a modern society. Why is that accepted?
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Post by ZaireinHD on Aug 14, 2017 21:33:54 GMT -5
MY TRI STATE AREA IS NOT LISTED!! that is nuts!
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Post by ZaireinHD on Aug 14, 2017 21:38:03 GMT -5
I mean - really! when you have a Mayor that goes on the news, a few times per year to say HEY crime is down! crime is down! that has to be a pretty bad dangerous city?
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Post by milee on Aug 15, 2017 8:11:22 GMT -5
I'm just now realizing that a good portion of the colleges my oldest son is interested in are located in cities on this list.
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Post by MJ2.0 on Aug 15, 2017 8:28:47 GMT -5
I'm just now realizing that a good portion of the colleges my oldest son is interested in are located in cities on this list. LOL, I'm guessing Yale is on there? New Haven is definitely not on my list of places to be. If he ends up there, tell him not to stray from the campus blocks. At all. If he drops his sky-high standards and comes to Rutgers, I can keep an eye on him. And the surrounding area isn't that bad. If he is a math major, he will be safely tucked away in the suburban portion of the campus.
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Post by milee on Aug 15, 2017 8:41:14 GMT -5
I'm just now realizing that a good portion of the colleges my oldest son is interested in are located in cities on this list. LOL, I'm guessing Yale is on there? New Haven is definitely not on my list of places to be. If he ends up there, tell him not to stray from the campus blocks. At all. If he drops his sky-high standards and comes to Rutgers, I can keep an eye on him. And the surrounding area isn't that bad. If he is a math major, he will be safely tucked away in the suburban portion of the campus. No NJ schools, but thanks anyway. He's a teen so (IMO) somewhat irrational in some of his choices. He's in love with University of Chicago (even though when we spent the day there he was horrified that I was willing to walk around the park next to campus and wanted to get BBQ from what appeared to be a church fundraiser) and thinks it seems safe enough but he's hesitant to apply to any schools in London because he thinks there will be more terrorist attacks. Let's just say he blends in much better in London than in South Chicago. All of this will be moot, though, unless he improves his application essays. He's got the SAT scores but he's a nerdy, nerdy McGeek and his writing makes him sound like a 70 year old nerdy, nerdy McGeek with constipation.
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Post by MJ2.0 on Aug 15, 2017 8:44:58 GMT -5
LOL, I'm guessing Yale is on there? New Haven is definitely not on my list of places to be. If he ends up there, tell him not to stray from the campus blocks. At all. If he drops his sky-high standards and comes to Rutgers, I can keep an eye on him. And the surrounding area isn't that bad. If he is a math major, he will be safely tucked away in the suburban portion of the campus. No NJ schools, but thanks anyway. He's a teen so (IMO) somewhat irrational in some of his choices. He's in love with University of Chicago (even though when we spent the day there he was horrified that I was willing to walk around the park next to campus and wanted to get BBQ from what appeared to be a church fundraiser) and thinks it seems safe enough but if hesitant to apply to any schools in London because he thinks there will be more terrorist attacks. Let's just say he blends in much better in London than in South Chicago. All of this will be moot, though, unless he improves his application essays. He's got the SAT scores but he's a nerdy, nerdy McGeek and his writing makes him sound like a 70 year old nerdy, nerdy McGeek with constipation. yeah, he probably shouldn't go there (U of Chi). Or if he does, he needs to make some street-smart friends on the first day. Really? No Princeton?
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Post by swamp on Aug 15, 2017 8:50:57 GMT -5
LOL, I'm guessing Yale is on there? New Haven is definitely not on my list of places to be. If he ends up there, tell him not to stray from the campus blocks. At all. If he drops his sky-high standards and comes to Rutgers, I can keep an eye on him. And the surrounding area isn't that bad. If he is a math major, he will be safely tucked away in the suburban portion of the campus. No NJ schools, but thanks anyway. He's a teen so (IMO) somewhat irrational in some of his choices. He's in love with University of Chicago (even though when we spent the day there he was horrified that I was willing to walk around the park next to campus and wanted to get BBQ from what appeared to be a church fundraiser) and thinks it seems safe enough but if hesitant to apply to any schools in London because he thinks there will be more terrorist attacks. Let's just say he blends in much better in London than in South Chicago. All of this will be moot, though, unless he improves his application essays. He's got the SAT scores but he's a nerdy, nerdy McGeek and his writing makes him sound like a 70 year old nerdy, nerdy McGeek with constipation. Clarkson!!!!
You can give him frostbite and culture shock all at once!
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Post by milee on Aug 15, 2017 8:51:35 GMT -5
No NJ schools, but thanks anyway. He's a teen so (IMO) somewhat irrational in some of his choices. He's in love with University of Chicago (even though when we spent the day there he was horrified that I was willing to walk around the park next to campus and wanted to get BBQ from what appeared to be a church fundraiser) and thinks it seems safe enough but if hesitant to apply to any schools in London because he thinks there will be more terrorist attacks. Let's just say he blends in much better in London than in South Chicago. All of this will be moot, though, unless he improves his application essays. He's got the SAT scores but he's a nerdy, nerdy McGeek and his writing makes him sound like a 70 year old nerdy, nerdy McGeek with constipation. yeah, he probably shouldn't go there (U of Chi). Or if he does, he needs to make some street-smart friends on the first day. Really? No Princeton? He's trying to be realistic. Ever since I explained to him that I'd be willing to fund each year approximately the amount that it would cost to pay full price at a state school ($25,000) and he would need to get scholarship or loans for the remainder, he dropped the Ivies off his list. None of the Ivies give merit scholarship and he will not qualify for financial aid. He's done a great job of matching schools that will give decent merit scholarship with schools that have excellent math and economic programs and has come up with a great list of schools where he has a chance to get in and a chance of getting $$$ to go there. I'm really, really proud of him and can't wait to see how it turns out. Do not quote me - I will deny it - but if he gets in to University of Chicago* - I would probably pay for it. *Last year UC admitted fewer than 8% of the applicants, so it's likely I do not have to worry about this.
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Post by swamp on Aug 15, 2017 8:54:03 GMT -5
but if he gets in to University of Chicago* - I would probably pay for it.
I'm telling!!!!
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Post by milee on Aug 15, 2017 8:54:51 GMT -5
No NJ schools, but thanks anyway. He's a teen so (IMO) somewhat irrational in some of his choices. He's in love with University of Chicago (even though when we spent the day there he was horrified that I was willing to walk around the park next to campus and wanted to get BBQ from what appeared to be a church fundraiser) and thinks it seems safe enough but if hesitant to apply to any schools in London because he thinks there will be more terrorist attacks. Let's just say he blends in much better in London than in South Chicago. All of this will be moot, though, unless he improves his application essays. He's got the SAT scores but he's a nerdy, nerdy McGeek and his writing makes him sound like a 70 year old nerdy, nerdy McGeek with constipation. Clarkson!!!!
You can give him frostbite and culture shock all at once!
He's looking at a few in NY or surrounding area. The funniest thing has been his reaction to certain things. He hasn't minded the idea of small towns in places that are Arctic cold, he hasn't minded big cities, he doesn't care much what region it's in... but he just looks totally disgusted when talking about the idea of having to live in Cleveland. Not sure why since Cleveland isn't worse than some of the other places he's talking about and Case Western has a good rep and would probably give him a full ride... but he's just horrified by it.
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Post by swamp on Aug 15, 2017 8:56:23 GMT -5
Clarkson!!!!
You can give him frostbite and culture shock all at once!
He's looking at a few in NY or surrounding area. The funniest thing has been his reaction to certain things. He hasn't minded the idea of small towns in places that are Arctic cold, he hasn't minded big cities, he doesn't care much what region it's in... but he just looks totally disgusted when talking about the idea of having to live in Cleveland. Not sure why since Cleveland isn't worse than some of the other places he's talking about and Case Western has a good rep and would probably give him a full ride... but he's just horrified by it. Drew Carey says Cleveland rocks, so it must be true.
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yeah, he probably shouldn't go there (U of Chi). Or if he does, he needs to make some street-smart friends on the first day. Really? No Princeton? He's trying to be realistic. Ever since I explained to him that I'd be willing to fund each year approximately the amount that it would cost to pay full price at a state school ($25,000) and he would need to get scholarship or loans for the remainder, he dropped the Ivies off his list. None of the Ivies give merit scholarship and he will not qualify for financial aid. He's done a great job of matching schools that will give decent merit scholarship with schools that have excellent math and economic programs and has come up with a great list of schools where he has a chance to get in and a chance of getting $$$ to go there. I'm really, really proud of him and can't wait to see how it turns out. Do not quote me - I will deny it - but if he gets in to University of Chicago* - I would probably pay for it. *Last year UC admitted fewer than 8% of the applicants, so it's likely I do not have to worry about this. I know that Princeton alums are crazy. One year, an alum gave Princeton a grant to allow all of that year's freshmen to go to school for free.
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Post by milee on Aug 15, 2017 8:57:03 GMT -5
but if he gets in to University of Chicago* - I would probably pay for it.
I'm telling!!!! Think carefully here. I have a very long memory, can be quite spiteful and am aware that your kids are younger than mine so will have plenty of time to plot an appropriately horrific revenge. I'm sure your daughter would love to go to clown college... that can be arranged.
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Post by MJ2.0 on Aug 15, 2017 8:58:34 GMT -5
what about PA schools? U Penn is an Ivy, but there are lots of other good schools.
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 15, 2017 8:59:08 GMT -5
I'm just now realizing that a good portion of the colleges my oldest son is interested in are located in cities on this list. LOL, I'm guessing Yale is on there? New Haven is definitely not on my list of places to be. If he ends up there, tell him not to stray from the campus blocks. At all. If he drops his sky-high standards and comes to Rutgers, I can keep an eye on him. And the surrounding area isn't that bad. If he is a math major, he will be safely tucked away in the suburban portion of the campus. ( ) While I moved away from there back in 1991, I lived in New Haven in between Yale Universay and Yale-New Haven Hospital (only two-three? blocks between the two). I never felt in danger in the university area and most of New Haven. Like most cities, one simply stays out of the bad areas, and they did exist. I know New Haven has gotten rougher since 1991, but there are still plenty of safe area outside of the immediate university complex. Great university attend and plenty of fun things to do in the New Haven area.
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Post by swamp on Aug 15, 2017 9:00:25 GMT -5
but if he gets in to University of Chicago* - I would probably pay for it.
I'm telling!!!! Think carefully here. I have a very long memory, can be quite spiteful and am aware that your kids are younger than mine so will have plenty of time to plot an appropriately horrific revenge. I'm sure your daughter would love to go to clown college... that can be arranged. Can she live with you? You've always wanted a daughter, right?
But seriously, I am concerned. My son wants to be a video game designer and has his heart set on Full Sail University in Orlando. He's 11, but I'm scared that he actually has looked at what colleges have video game design.
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