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Post by Value Buy on Aug 7, 2017 8:39:20 GMT -5
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 7, 2017 10:56:37 GMT -5
yeah, that is probably right. Clinton couldn't stop talking about how prosperous we were as a nation. she would have been much better off adopting Sander's position, that middle and lower class people in the US are getting the shaft, and have been for nearly 50 years. the problem is that she is a poor spokesperson for that, given that she has been in politics THE ENTIRE TIME.
we have now been thrown over to another non-solution: having a businessman run things. just as with Harding (also a businessman), we will find out how bad an idea that is, and where it leads us.
too bad we have to learn that lesson twice. it was quite painful the last time.
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Post by thyme4change on Aug 7, 2017 11:03:00 GMT -5
I think it is because he really understands marketing and worked the electoral map way, way better than Hillary did.
Granted the areas he got were the ones where he could go in and capitalize on his "the economy sucks" message - so I am not contradicting you in any way.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Aug 7, 2017 11:44:21 GMT -5
And yet, more voters voted for HER than his him.
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Post by Opti on Aug 7, 2017 11:53:38 GMT -5
I think it is because he really understands marketing and worked the electoral map way, way better than Hillary did. Granted the areas he got were the ones where he could go in and capitalize on his "the economy sucks" message - so I am not contradicting you in any way. He definitely knows how to sell to some people. He only won three of the tipping point states (WI, etc.) by 78,000 votes. He really won over the miners. Too bad very few of them will notice he also cut the funding for retraining them into other fields.
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Post by thyme4change on Aug 7, 2017 12:10:36 GMT -5
And yet, more voters voted for HER than his him. Yes, but she kept courting the same voters over and over. Did she even go to Michigan or Wisconsin? I'm not even sure she made an attempt to appeal to rural populations in any state.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Aug 7, 2017 15:25:52 GMT -5
And yet, more voters voted for HER than his him. Yes, but she kept courting the same voters over and over. Did she even go to Michigan or Wisconsin? I'm not even sure she made an attempt to appeal to rural populations in any state. I'm not trying to say she didn't make mistakes. She did. But did she do anything nearly as bad as brag about assaulting women? Clearly not. Just reminding the Trumpers that his "win" was the EC, not the actual voters. His loss of popular vote rankles him; as it should. And, everytime one of his fans brings up his "win", I'm going to remind them of his (nearly) 3 million loss
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Post by Miss Tequila on Aug 7, 2017 15:51:13 GMT -5
Yes, but she kept courting the same voters over and over. Did she even go to Michigan or Wisconsin? I'm not even sure she made an attempt to appeal to rural populations in any state. I'm not trying to say she didn't make mistakes. She did. But did she do anything nearly as bad as brag about assaulting women? Clearly not. Just reminding the Trumpers that his "win" was the EC, not the actual voters. His loss of popular vote rankles him; as it should. And, everytime one of his fans brings up his "win", I'm going to remind them of his (nearly) 3 million loss Since the popular vote isn't what decides a president, I'm not sure the point of this statement? At the end of the day, they campaigned where they needed to campaign and had the right message. I personally cared more about not having Obama 2 in the white house when it came time to pick Supreme Court justices and someone that would stop pushing the liberal agenda, then some pompous guy bragging that women let him grab their cat...because at the end of the day, I do actually believe what he said. Tehre are lots of women out there who would whore themselves out for money or power...creepy of him to take advantage of it but more sad that women would lower themselves to that.
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Post by Rob Base 2.0 on Aug 7, 2017 16:29:13 GMT -5
Thyme is one of Trump's fans??
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Post by tallguy on Aug 7, 2017 17:24:53 GMT -5
I'm not trying to say she didn't make mistakes. She did. But did she do anything nearly as bad as brag about assaulting women? Clearly not. Just reminding the Trumpers that his "win" was the EC, not the actual voters. His loss of popular vote rankles him; as it should. And, everytime one of his fans brings up his "win", I'm going to remind them of his (nearly) 3 million loss Since the popular vote isn't what decides a president, I'm not sure the point of this statement? At the end of the day, they campaigned where they needed to campaign and had the right message. I personally cared more about not having Obama 2 in the white house when it came time to pick Supreme Court justices and someone that would stop pushing the liberal agenda, then some pompous guy bragging that women let him grab their cat...because at the end of the day, I do actually believe what he said. Tehre are lots of women out there who would whore themselves out for money or power...creepy of him to take advantage of it but more sad that women would lower themselves to that. Yeah! Damn that liberal agenda! Who needs individual liberties and equal treatment under the law? Screw 'em!
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Post by Miss Tequila on Aug 7, 2017 17:46:11 GMT -5
Since the popular vote isn't what decides a president, I'm not sure the point of this statement? At the end of the day, they campaigned where they needed to campaign and had the right message. I personally cared more about not having Obama 2 in the white house when it came time to pick Supreme Court justices and someone that would stop pushing the liberal agenda, then some pompous guy bragging that women let him grab their cat...because at the end of the day, I do actually believe what he said. Tehre are lots of women out there who would whore themselves out for money or power...creepy of him to take advantage of it but more sad that women would lower themselves to that. Yeah! Damn that liberal agenda! Who needs individual liberties and equal treatment under the law? Screw 'em! I'm all for equal rights...Im cool with gays being married. I'm not cool with a man in my locker room. That is an invasion f MY privacy...but somehow my rights don't matter as much to the left. I have a problem with that I have a problem with a boy competing against girls and kicking their asses...because most boys would. But the left doesn't care about that I have a problem with sanctuary cities. The left doesn't have a problem with them The list goes on and on. I disagree with a lot of what the left is trying to shove down our throats so I voted against that agenda. I will never say I voted for trump because that isn't the case.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2017 17:50:49 GMT -5
Lmao.
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Post by thyme4change on Aug 7, 2017 19:41:57 GMT -5
Thyme is one of Trump's fans?? Absolutely Not! But I try to look at things objectively. I fail, but I can see things that Trump did right during the campaign. I also know the list of problems with Hillary. I think she would have been a better president, but that doesn't mean I'm a huge Hillary fan.
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Post by Rob Base 2.0 on Aug 7, 2017 19:54:32 GMT -5
Thyme is one of Trump's fans?? Absolutely Not! But I try to look at things objectively. I fail, but I can see things that Trump did right during the campaign. I also know the list of problems with Hillary. I think she would have been a better president, but that doesn't mean I'm a huge Hillary fan.
I knew that. I was being sarcastic at GG, since GG stated she would state Trump LOST the popular vote every time a Trump fan stated he won the election (or EC).
If you look on the thread - when GG stated Trump lost the EC - only you and DJ were talking about the election results at that point (and both of you are obviously NOT Trump fans though) ---thus calling into question GG's "motivation" for originally throwing out the line that Trump lost the popular vote
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Post by zibazinski on Aug 7, 2017 20:10:18 GMT -5
He won because he wasn't her.
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 8, 2017 9:04:41 GMT -5
My brother told me he didn't vote in this election because the choices were so uninspiring. I was really surprised. He's a broke, liberal millennial and thinks it's all BS. I don't understand that thinking. It's not as if when the total number of registered voters who did not vote is greater than the total number of registered voters who did, then no one wins the election and a new slate of candidates must be picked for a second election. Someone is going to win the election. Pick your poison because everyone will be served it.
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Post by Value Buy on Aug 8, 2017 9:11:31 GMT -5
My brother told me he didn't vote in this election because the choices were so uninspiring. I was really surprised. He's a broke, liberal millennial and thinks it's all BS. I don't understand that thinking. It's not as if when the total number of registered voters who did not vote is greater than the total number of registered voters who did, then no one wins the election and a new slate of candidates must be picked for a second election. Someone is going to win the election. Pick your poison because everyone will be served it. So true. This is why our primary system is so important to weed out the poor selections available to us. I believe we should go to about three super primaries a week apart. East coast anything east of the Rockies, west of the Smokies West coast If not this, all states on the same day, since if the first super primary favors a certain candidate, the next super primary cannot react just based on the vote of the first primary. Our election cycle is simply too long based with the availability of mass marketing and distribution now available to the candidates.
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 8, 2017 9:22:23 GMT -5
I don't understand that thinking. It's not as if when the total number of registered voters who did not vote is greater than the total number of registered voters who did, then no one wins the election and a new slate of candidates must be picked for a second election. Someone is going to win the election. Pick your poison because everyone will be served it. So true. This is why our primary system is so important to weed out the poor selections available to us. I believe we should go to about three super primaries a week apart. East coast anything east of the Rockies, west of the Smokies West coast If not this, all states on the same day, since if the first super primary favors a certain candidate, the next super primary cannot react just based on the vote of the first primary. Our election cycle is simply too long based with the availability of mass marketing and distribution now available to the candidates. To the millenials: Whether you vote or not, someone is going to affect policies you support or not for the next four years. 'You' may not like any of the candidates but one of them will win. And until there is a strong third party whose candidates have won elections at local, state and federal levels, including election to the your state governorship, U.S. house of Representatives and Senate, your two choices for president will be either a Democratic or Republican..
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 8, 2017 11:29:26 GMT -5
I wonder if part of it is that many of us live in areas where we feel like our vote doesn't count because they lean heavily one way or the other. Like my state is heavily Democratic and only puts up one Democratic candidate for most offices. So there is no real choice there. My brother lives in CA and feels the same way although he would like to see more liberal candidates - not "McDemocrats" My state has 95 counties. In the 2016 presidential election, and of those 95 counties, Hillary Clinton only won 3 (35% of total votes cast in state). Included in those three counties were the two most populous cities in the state: Memphis and Nashville. I knew Clinton had no chance of winning in Tennessee but that did not stop me from voting for her. Those three counties usually go for the Democratic party candidate in each presidential election.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 8, 2017 15:13:09 GMT -5
Yeah! Damn that liberal agenda! Who needs individual liberties and equal treatment under the law? Screw 'em! I'm all for equal rights...Im cool with gays being married. I'm not cool with a man in my locker room. That is an invasion f MY privacy...but somehow my rights don't matter as much to the left. I have a problem with that I have a problem with a boy competing against girls and kicking their asses...because most boys would. But the left doesn't care about thatI have a problem with sanctuary cities. The left doesn't have a problem with them The list goes on and on. I disagree with a lot of what the left is trying to shove down our throats so I voted against that agenda. I will never say I voted for trump because that isn't the case. MT- what are you talking about? what sort of ass kicking? because i can assure you that this liberal definitely takes issue with men kicking women's asses. and just out of curiosity, what do you think "sanctuary cities" are?
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Post by tallguy on Aug 8, 2017 16:20:25 GMT -5
I'm all for equal rights...Im cool with gays being married. I'm not cool with a man in my locker room. That is an invasion f MY privacy...but somehow my rights don't matter as much to the left. I have a problem with that I have a problem with a boy competing against girls and kicking their asses...because most boys would. But the left doesn't care about thatI have a problem with sanctuary cities. The left doesn't have a problem with them The list goes on and on. I disagree with a lot of what the left is trying to shove down our throats so I voted against that agenda. I will never say I voted for trump because that isn't the case. MT- what are you talking about? what sort of ass kicking? because i can assure you that this liberal definitely takes issue with men kicking women's asses. and just out of curiosity, what do you think "sanctuary cities" are? I think that was a reference to the transgender Texas high-schooler who, because of a stupid Texas rule was not allowed to wrestle against boys as he wanted to, but was instead forced to wrestle girls and won the state championship.
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Post by thyme4change on Aug 8, 2017 18:55:26 GMT -5
A) The only thing that makes me feel more disenfranchised more than the general election is the primaries. It is often in the bag for someone before it gets to me. I remember reading about a lady who sent in her ballot early and voted for Rubio, because she was a huge fan. He dropped out a couple days before her state voted, and Trump won. She was devastated. Yes, she learned her lesson on sending in the ballot early, but still.
2) Voting third party isn't as useless as we make it out to be. If everyone who hated both Trump and Hillary voted for random 3rd party candidates, one of them would still be president, but both parties would have to ask themselves what they are doing wrong that such a large percentage went with "other."
My husband always says that even if you continually vote for the loser, your demographics as a voter is out there, and you will be courted by someone, eventually.
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Post by NastyWoman on Aug 8, 2017 19:19:45 GMT -5
So true. This is why our primary system is so important to weed out the poor selections available to us. I believe we should go to about three super primaries a week apart. East coast anything east of the Rockies, west of the Smokies West coast If not this, all states on the same day, since if the first super primary favors a certain candidate, the next super primary cannot react just based on the vote of the first primary. Our election cycle is simply too long based with the availability of mass marketing and distribution now available to the candidates. To the millenials: Whether you vote or not, someone is going to affect policies you support or not for the next four years. 'You' may not like any of the candidates but one of them will win. And until there is a strong third party whose candidates have won elections at local, state and federal levels, including election to the your state governorship, U.S. house of Representatives and Senate, your two choices for president will be either a Democratic or Republican.. and by refusing to pick a side you lose the right to blame others for what happens. If you are eligible to vote and you don't → what happens is on you. YOU could have changed the outcome. And it doesn't matter what the outcome is, whether it is the one we ended up with or the alternative. Maybe HRC would have been far better than what we have now, but we'll never know. Maybe dt would be more focussed on actual policy rather than desperately tweeting how he is the best, greatest, etc.,if he had won the popular vote, but we'll never know. To translate a Dutch saying: "those who remain silent, agree" or "wie zwijgt stemt toe"
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Post by tallguy on Aug 8, 2017 19:25:23 GMT -5
To the millenials: Whether you vote or not, someone is going to affect policies you support or not for the next four years. 'You' may not like any of the candidates but one of them will win. And until there is a strong third party whose candidates have won elections at local, state and federal levels, including election to the your state governorship, U.S. house of Representatives and Senate, your two choices for president will be either a Democratic or Republican.. and by refusing to pick a side you lose the right to blame others for what happens. If you are eligible to vote and you don't → what happens is on you. YOU could have changed the outcome. And it doesn't matter what the outcome is, whether it is the one we ended up with or the alternative. Maybe HRC would have been far better than what we have now, but we'll never know. Maybe dt would be more focussed on actual policy rather than desperately tweeting how he is the best, greatest, etc.,if he had won the popular vote, but we'll never know. To translate a Dutch saying: "those who remain silent, agree" or "wie zwijgt stemt toe" I would bet ANY amount of money that the chance of that is ZERO. Not only would it embolden him more, but he has basically no interest in policy and no core beliefs to hold to anyway.
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Post by NastyWoman on Aug 8, 2017 19:39:00 GMT -5
ssshhhh tallguy . My thoughts and yours may be the same but it does not change my premise that "those who remain silent, agree".
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2017 22:14:12 GMT -5
Yes, but she kept courting the same voters over and over. Did she even go to Michigan or Wisconsin? I'm not even sure she made an attempt to appeal to rural populations in any state. I'm not trying to say she didn't make mistakes. She did. But did she do anything nearly as bad as brag about assaulting women? Clearly not. Just reminding the Trumpers that his "win" was the EC, not the actual voters. His loss of popular vote rankles him; as it should. And, everytime one of his fans brings up his "win", I'm going to remind them of his (nearly) 3 million lossCan those of us that are tired of the pointless BS remind you that he actually didn't "brag about assaulting women" every time you bring that BS up then? And remind us all... which one matters in a presidential election... the EC... or the popular vote? Also... were both candidates aware of this fact? (the answer to the last one is "yes, they were both aware of that")
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I'm not trying to say she didn't make mistakes. She did. But did she do anything nearly as bad as brag about assaulting women? Clearly not. Just reminding the Trumpers that his "win" was the EC, not the actual voters. His loss of popular vote rankles him; as it should. And, everytime one of his fans brings up his "win", I'm going to remind them of his (nearly) 3 million lossCan those of us that are tired of the pointless BS remind you that he actually didn't "brag about assaulting women" every time you bring that BS up then? And remind us all... which one matters in a presidential election... the EC... or the popular vote? Also... were both candidates aware of this fact? (the answer to the last one is "yes, they were both aware of that") You didn't hear the recording if him claiming that he didn't brag that he could just "grab them by the pu$$y". That IS sexual assault, btw. And he bragged that he could do it because he was "a star". That is not BS in my book.
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MT- what are you talking about? what sort of ass kicking? because i can assure you that this liberal definitely takes issue with men kicking women's asses. and just out of curiosity, what do you think "sanctuary cities" are? I think that was a reference to the transgender Texas high-schooler who, because of a stupid Texas rule was not allowed to wrestle against boys as he wanted to, but was instead forced to wrestle girls and won the state championship. Or the physically male transgender track runner that beat all the girls at the track meet, quite handily... but wouldn't have finished better than dead last against other boys. Connecticut transgender sprinter Andraya Yearwood wins two state titles amidst controversy
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Can those of us that are tired of the pointless BS remind you that he actually didn't "brag about assaulting women" every time you bring that BS up then? And remind us all... which one matters in a presidential election... the EC... or the popular vote? Also... were both candidates aware of this fact? (the answer to the last one is "yes, they were both aware of that") You didn't hear the recording if you claim that he didn't brag that he could just "grab them by the pu$$y". That IS sexual assault, btw. And he bragged that he could do it because he was "a star" I heard the recording... apparently you didn't. "You can" were his words that preceded "grab them by the {you know}", not "I have", nor "I will"... hell... not even "I can"... it was "YOU can". "You" meaning anyone in power or with money... that and the "they let you" disclaimer that says it's allowed by the women (and we both know that there ARE women out there that would do anything to be with a man with money or power... whether you want to admit it or not.) Apparently you didn't hear "you can" though... as well as you missed "they let you".... and you probably never heard of women that would do anything to be in the circles of money and power. Probably never heard of groupies at concerts doing god knows what just to be NEAR the band either...
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Post by steff on Aug 8, 2017 22:44:19 GMT -5
Why the fuck are we still even listening to anyone who defends the grab them by the wimp comments. Fucktard is going to get us all blown sky high and someone is here trying to act like "correcting" someone on that goddamn grab them by the wimp bullshit is still important.
It no longer fucking matters. No one gives a shit if you think trump didn't say it. But for godsake stop fucking "mansplaining" it. Good grief.
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