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Post by NancysSummerSip on Aug 3, 2017 18:21:05 GMT -5
I think she is younger than me. I am 47.5.
50 is creeping up quickly.
So, yes, I am old.
If fifty is old, I am antique ancient elderly increasing my vintage like a fine wine. I have over 10 years on you, kiddo. We have a landscaper now who treats and feeds the lawn and shrubs, though I am the one who mows and pulls weeds. Good exercise. I still clean my house, and will actually be doing it for money shortly. I am starting work with an estate management company next week. A nice, active job working with extremely nice people.
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Post by MN-Investor on Aug 3, 2017 23:10:59 GMT -5
My budget when I first got out of college was vastly different than my budget today.
Why would your spending not change over time?
Our first car was used and didn't have air conditioning. My husband's new car has every bell and whistle available. It easily fits in our budget.
If you are on track with your savings, then spend how much ever you want on whatever you want with the money that's left.
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Post by Happy prose on Aug 4, 2017 4:38:51 GMT -5
I think that's money well spent. I could do without the designer bag though. Everything else on your list was a neccessity. Enjoy it!
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Post by Miss Tequila on Aug 4, 2017 5:46:54 GMT -5
In your situation, I would spend like a semi-tipsy sailor. I don't understand why you are questioning yourself. You have money, and I'd expect you'd enjoy it. I'd assume you would not choose to live like we do. You also run your own business and have two kids that are in the thick of needing you. And you have a husband that works full time. Somethings got to give... You don't get a medal for making life harder for yourself on purpose.... I grew up pretty blue collar. Stuff like this was a treat. It feels weird to live like this.
I grew up in government housing so I get it. But I also recognize that I now have a lot of disposable income. I invest a lot of it but I'm not about to make my life even more difficult by doing things I can hire out for. Taking care of our hair and nails is important because we are professionals. We can't look sloppy! There are times when I'm really stressed that I will start going for massages every other week. I can afford it and it helps my emotional state. Nothing to feel bad about. Because of my childhood I know I could cut back tomorrow if I had to. But I'm not changing unless I have to
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Post by Anne_in_VA on Aug 4, 2017 6:23:08 GMT -5
I grew up pretty blue collar. Stuff like this was a treat. It feels weird to live like this.
I grew up in government housing so I get it. But I also recognize that I now have a lot of disposable income. I invest a lot of it but I'm not about to make my life even more difficult by doing things I can hire out for. Taking care of our hair and nails is important because we are professionals. We can't look sloppy! There are times when I'm really stressed that I will start going for massages every other week. I can afford it and it helps my emotional state. Nothing to feel bad about. Because of my childhood I know I could cut back tomorrow if I had to. But I'm not changing unless I have to I grew up in public housing too. I can afford to buy most anything I want, but don't. I do spend the money needed to maintain a professional look, clothes, hair, makeup, etc. and save plenty. At 70 I'm still working, making over 6 figures, so I can afford it. I do think, however that some purchases are dictated by my mindset from growing up poor. I tend to drive older cars, live below my means, and buy way too much food. We didn't always have enough food and I know I overcompensate for that.
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Post by swamp on Aug 4, 2017 7:33:25 GMT -5
My parents, who are still pretty frugal, keep telling me that I work hard, make good money, and I should enjoy it. My mother, who has dementia, is even with it enough to tell me that she wishes she had made enough money for a cleaning lady, pedicures, and massages. So even they are on my case to chill, lol!
ETA: As far as saving, I am saving more per year than what I made at my first "real" job as an Asst. DA.
It's just you guys here who make me feel like a slacker.
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Post by gooddecisions on Aug 4, 2017 7:36:55 GMT -5
Why not hire one of YOUR kids? The boy is what? 13? Next summer DS is going to be 14, legally able to work. I want him to get a normal job..a W-2. Not work for me. I hate mixing family/friends and work. Generally, I don't do it. And I think it's poor taste for your mom to be a work reference. And if he did mow our lawn, it would fall under the category of chores. I don't get paid to clean my house, I don't see why I should have to pay my kids to contribute around the house. He needs to continue with little little league for resume/HS prep purposes...and hopefully will ump there. We're on the path for DS umping this fall, and making some money. He's also strongly considering being a CIT next summer. So between that and summer camp, that's three weeks gone. He could be busy daily with little league, depending on how often he umps, from late April-late June. Scouting would take up most of July. We have a neighbor that owns a business that has told DS that there's a job waiting for him. I'm hoping that will fill in the rest of his time, and be flexible with his hours. If we have extra money, I'd like to be a good YMER and open up ROTH for the kid and put money in it for retirement. It will be easier to do with a W2, than with paying him to mow our lawn. What type of w2 jobs are available for a 14 year old? My sister got a paper route when she was 13, but it seems like most of those go to adults these days. I've seen kids work concession stands, but I am not sure if those are owners kids or family friends hanging out. The lifeguards at the pool all appear to be at least 18. When i was a teenager, all of my friends had the jobs at the local grocery stores, amusement park, movie theater and fast food. These days, once again everyone looks much, much older. I have heard of one 15 year old in my neighborhood doing some scouting for a delegate. Great experience, but I think it was unpaid, internship work. Of course, there is the modeling and entertainment industry, but may not be w2. I knew a couple of 15 yr olds that worked with me when I was 16. They had to have a work permit and our manager had to follow special child labor laws for them regarding breaks and overtime. It seems like most teenagers have been squeezed out of the w2 jobs and are mowing lawns and babysitting. Or maybe they are just too busy for a w2 job and their parents don't motivate them. I am not trying to debate or anything, just curious what you have in mind for him. I am guessing you have an inside connection that make logistics work?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2017 7:46:31 GMT -5
Next summer DS is going to be 14, legally able to work. I want him to get a normal job..a W-2. Not work for me. I hate mixing family/friends and work. Generally, I don't do it. And I think it's poor taste for your mom to be a work reference. And if he did mow our lawn, it would fall under the category of chores. I don't get paid to clean my house, I don't see why I should have to pay my kids to contribute around the house. He needs to continue with little little league for resume/HS prep purposes...and hopefully will ump there. We're on the path for DS umping this fall, and making some money. He's also strongly considering being a CIT next summer. So between that and summer camp, that's three weeks gone. He could be busy daily with little league, depending on how often he umps, from late April-late June. Scouting would take up most of July. We have a neighbor that owns a business that has told DS that there's a job waiting for him. I'm hoping that will fill in the rest of his time, and be flexible with his hours. If we have extra money, I'd like to be a good YMER and open up ROTH for the kid and put money in it for retirement. It will be easier to do with a W2, than with paying him to mow our lawn. What type of w2 jobs are available for a 14 year old? My sister got a paper route when she was 13, but it seems like most of those go to adults these days. I've seen kids work concession stands, but I am not sure if those are owners kids or family friends hanging out. The lifeguards at the pool all appear to be at least 18. When i was a teenager, all of my friends had the jobs at the local grocery stores, amusement park, movie theater and fast food. These days, once again everyone looks much, much older. I have heard of one 15 year old in my neighborhood doing some scouting for a delegate. Great experience, but I think it was unpaid, internship work. Of course, there is the modeling and entertainment industry, but may not be w2. I knew a couple of 15 yr olds that worked with me when I was 16. They had to have a work permit and our manager had to follow special child labor laws for them regarding breaks and overtime. It seems like most teenagers have been squeezed out of the w2 jobs and are mowing lawns and babysitting. Or maybe they are just too busy for a w2 job and their parents don't motivate them. I am not trying to debate or anything, just curious what you have in mind for him. I am guessing you have an inside connection that make logistics work? Fast food. My 14 year old nephew just started at McDonalds this Summer. Lifeguard you need to be 15 to be certified, but they don't typically hire here until at least 16. eta: Grocery stores too. Our Hyvee hires at 14 for grocery baggers and shelf stockers. Of course if you live in a state that has laws forbidding kids that young working, then it doesn't matter what the company policies are.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Aug 4, 2017 8:01:54 GMT -5
I grew up in government housing so I get it. But I also recognize that I now have a lot of disposable income. I invest a lot of it but I'm not about to make my life even more difficult by doing things I can hire out for. Taking care of our hair and nails is important because we are professionals. We can't look sloppy! There are times when I'm really stressed that I will start going for massages every other week. I can afford it and it helps my emotional state. Nothing to feel bad about. Because of my childhood I know I could cut back tomorrow if I had to. But I'm not changing unless I have to I grew up in public housing too. I can afford to buy most anything I want, but don't. I do spend the money needed to maintain a professional look, clothes, hair, makeup, etc. and save plenty. At 70 I'm still working, making over 6 figures, so I can afford it. I do think, however that some purchases are dictated by my mindset from growing up poor. I tend to drive older cars, live below my means, and buy way too much food. We didn't always have enough food and I know I overcompensate for that. I live way below my means when it comes to big ticket items. I bought a very inexpensive house instead of a mcmansion, I drove my 2004 Jeep until last year when my daughter crashed her car and we needed another car ASAP....even then, I bought a used car.
My fixed living expenses are about 20% of my net take home pay (which is net of my maxed out 401k contributions and an after tax investment deduction). So when I say I splurge, it really comes down to a few hundred bucks a month...not really a splurge as a % of my income (if that makes any sense). My BF laughs at me because I really do have the mentality of a poor person...not matter how much I have invested or cash in the bank, I can't get over the fear that I can wake-up tomorrow without the ability to pay my bills. I think that is ingrained in you when you grew up like we did.
But I will not feel guilty because I am not willing to spend what little free time I have doing manual labor instead of hiring it out (and to be honest, I am not qualified for anything besides cutting the grass and cleaning...and even then my qualifications are questionable!lol). I just think it is silly to feel guilty over what amounts to pocket change....now, if the splurges were $70k third cars, expensive jewelry, etc...then I would be smacking swamp down! But a few hundred dollars a month on wants plus paying for home repairs is not crazy nor excessive.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Aug 4, 2017 8:08:23 GMT -5
My parents, who are still pretty frugal, keep telling me that I work hard, make good money, and I should enjoy it. My mother, who has dementia, is even with it enough to tell me that she wishes she had made enough money for a cleaning lady, pedicures, and massages. So even they are on my case to chill, lol!
ETA: As far as saving, I am saving more per year than what I made at my first "real" job as an Asst. DA.
It's just you guys here who make me feel like a slacker.
I look at it like this. I have very aggressive investment goals each year and I make sure I meet them. I also want a certain amount of cash in my bank account (I have rentals and you never know when an expensive repair will pop up). After that, what the hell am I scrimping for?
and to be honest, it has taken me a long time to get to this point. My ex and I fought about money a lot before we split our finances because I had a hard time spending money. Obviously I make good money as a single person but combined we made fantastic money. But money was one of those things that really stressed me out. I remember what it was like to wake up to a 50 degree house because my mom didn't have the money to get oil. While I never went hungry I do remember the food choices getting really thin between her food stamps (a good part is bad choices on her part). I have baggage that is very difficult to get over and honestly I probably could have used therapy at some point...but once I started seeing people dying very early and I had my cancer scare, I realized how f'n short life really is. We all need balance in life.
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Post by giramomma on Aug 4, 2017 8:32:50 GMT -5
We have a neighbor that owns a business that has told DS that there's a job waiting for him. I'm hoping that will fill in the rest of his time, and be flexible with his hours. I am not trying to debate or anything, just curious what you have in mind for him. I am guessing you have an inside connection that make logistics work? One of our neighbors runs a small business..he's a fish monger, literally. He's had a help wanted sign up on his business continually for the past 2 years or so. Our neighbor is also is getting older (close to mid 50s), and I'm assuming doesn't want to put small business owner hours in anymore. I'm hoping that he'll be flexible enough with DS's schedule, especially if DS is out of town for 25% of the summer. He's been telling DS there's a job waiting for him for the past few years...And DS can bike/walk to the store location in 15 minutes or so.
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Post by zibazinski on Aug 4, 2017 9:48:58 GMT -5
Since I had to hire a professional crew to clean up old place, when this place is mostly done, I'm hiring them for mine. I also got DD to send me some stuff to organize further off amazon prime, her account, so it'll come directly to the house and I won't have to hassle with it.
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Post by NoNamePerson on Aug 4, 2017 10:06:08 GMT -5
What type of w2 jobs are available for a 14 year old? My sister got a paper route when she was 13, but it seems like most of those go to adults these days. I've seen kids work concession stands, but I am not sure if those are owners kids or family friends hanging out. The lifeguards at the pool all appear to be at least 18. When i was a teenager, all of my friends had the jobs at the local grocery stores, amusement park, movie theater and fast food. These days, once again everyone looks much, much older. I have heard of one 15 year old in my neighborhood doing some scouting for a delegate. Great experience, but I think it was unpaid, internship work. Of course, there is the modeling and entertainment industry, but may not be w2. I knew a couple of 15 yr olds that worked with me when I was 16. They had to have a work permit and our manager had to follow special child labor laws for them regarding breaks and overtime. It seems like most teenagers have been squeezed out of the w2 jobs and are mowing lawns and babysitting. Or maybe they are just too busy for a w2 job and their parents don't motivate them. I am not trying to debate or anything, just curious what you have in mind for him. I am guessing you have an inside connection that make logistics work? Fast food. My 14 year old nephew just started at McDonalds this Summer. Lifeguard you need to be 15 to be certified, but they don't typically hire here until at least 16. eta: Grocery stores too. Our Hyvee hires at 14 for grocery baggers and shelf stockers. Of course if you live in a state that has laws forbidding kids that young working, then it doesn't matter what the company policies are. Learned something new today from this post. Also made me go to my State page to see what the guidelines are. I do know once my son went to a local bike shop to ask for work. He was 14 and they said couldn't hire him since used power tools. They did repairs as well as sells.
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Post by TheOtherMe on Aug 4, 2017 10:39:11 GMT -5
Niece and nephews all went to work at Dairy Queen at age 14. All except one stayed all the way through college and worked weekends when they were home as well as summers. The youngest one never had to do a formal application based on the work of his 3 older siblings.
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Post by giramomma on Aug 4, 2017 12:11:50 GMT -5
I feel like I've had more of a lifestyle explosion rather than creep but I know what you mean. I'm earning more and spending more than I ever imagined. I feel that as long as I keep the fixed costs low I can always cut back.See, and for me this is the key. We've had some really good years where we've been able to splurge. We've also had lean years where we had to cut back. Keeping our fixed costs low is key to getting through it all. The other thing was maintaining our ability to figure out a true need from a want. DH and I both still know that sling tv is absolutely a want. I'm sure most of us will be able to sit back and say "Well...If I'm paycheck to paycheck, maybe I'll do my nails for a while, and then when things get better..well..I' have it done." The problem arises when people start to lose perspective that the extras are still wants.
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Post by MJ2.0 on Aug 4, 2017 12:52:05 GMT -5
I have always had a hard time keeping fixed costs low in a HCOLA. Average rents in my area are $1250/month for a 1 bedroom apartment, like $1600-1700 for a 2 bed. You're lucky to get a good 3 bed house for less than $350k. But within an expensive area I live in a semi-pricey town because it has good schools and it's close to major commuter veins, public transit, the local university, and 2 major hospitals. It's also pretty safe. I promised DS he would have his own bedroom by next September, but I cannot - I REFUSE - to spend $1600+/month on an apartment. I am going to have to get creative and will most likely have to move out of my town. I'm trying to get a 2 bed apartment for no more $1400/month next year. I can't live in the ghetto, in the boonies, or on a main road. Those are my only caveats. A unicorn apartment opened up in the town next to mine. My XILs live there - it's pretty safe and close to the commuter veins. 2 bed apartment inside a multi-family home on a side street off the main road (not super busy), walking distance to the park/playground, access to the backyard and basement for $1250/month. That is unheard of in this area. I really don't want to move right now, but I don't think I'll find anything in my area remotely close to that price again.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2017 13:51:27 GMT -5
So I've noticed that things I used to think are luxuries are now staples in my life:
Monthly cut/color Monthly pedicure Monthly eyebrow waxing Cleaning lady every other week. Massages every 2 months or so Paying someone to seal the driveway or other projects DH and I are perfectly capable of doing but just don't want to Designer purses (but bought on sale at an outlet with a coupon) Personal trainer to start soon
What the hell happened to me?
Age.
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Post by plugginaway22 on Aug 4, 2017 16:17:45 GMT -5
All 3 of our kiddos started at 15 at 2 local restaurants, as table busers. They made minimum wage and received a percentage of the server's tips. By the time they were 16, they could serve and started making pretty decent money with the tips. All were active in school and sports but managed to work maybe 15 hours/week. Our DS also mowed lawns in the neighborhood for $20 a lawn.
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Post by Lizard Queen on Aug 4, 2017 16:22:31 GMT -5
I don't see younger teens working much anywhere any more. Maybe some ice cream places, but there are lots of adults working Mcjobs these days.
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Post by tallguy on Aug 4, 2017 16:43:44 GMT -5
So I've noticed that things I used to think are luxuries are now staples in my life:
Monthly cut/color Monthly pedicure Monthly eyebrow waxing Cleaning lady every other week. Massages every 2 months or so Paying someone to seal the driveway or other projects DH and I are perfectly capable of doing but just don't want to Designer purses (but bought on sale at an outlet with a coupon) Personal trainer to start soon
What the hell happened to me?
Age. Uh-oh. That'll probably get you a "Bite me! "
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Post by zibazinski on Aug 4, 2017 16:48:23 GMT -5
Arby's used to hire at 15 but now with minimum wage being so high, they won't employ teenagers. That's sad.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2017 17:31:15 GMT -5
Arby's used to hire at 15 but now with minimum wage being so high, they won't employ teenagers. That's sad. An Arby's is opening in our town on Monday and they are hiring starting at age 15. Minimum wage is $7.75 in MN, but starting at Arbys is $10. Same as the McDonalds. I was tempted to take DS down there to fill out an application, but I don't think I'll let him work until he can drive unless he gets something within walking distance of school.
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Post by TheOtherMe on Aug 4, 2017 18:42:33 GMT -5
Don't know about Arby's but know Dairy Queen hires 14 year olds. They are restricted in hours they can work. See them there on the weekends when I take my dad to the only place he will go if he is paying.
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Post by giramomma on Aug 4, 2017 19:27:39 GMT -5
I don't see younger teens working much anywhere any more. Maybe some ice cream places, but there are lots of adults working Mcjobs these days. For our area, socio-economic status and college plans seem to dictate whether teens work. Most of my clients are college-bound...and it's been pretty rare that they work. But, they are also coming from a higher socio-economic status (upper middle class/wealthy)..and so there wasn't a need for them to work as much. We were still able to pay for most everything for our kids until #4 came along (including car insurance, etc.) With #4, that's not happening anymore, at least for #1 and #2. We've been starting these discussions with DS. Mostly because I'm a firm believer in talk early and talk often when it comes to expectations. I do feel bad that we won't be able to pay for everything for the kids, and let them have school just be their job. But, it is what it is now. And DS is a people person/family person. I think he's OK with knowing he's going to have to work if he wants to drive in exchange for having another sibling.
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Post by swamp on Aug 4, 2017 19:33:36 GMT -5
I don't see younger teens working much anywhere any more. Maybe some ice cream places, but there are lots of adults working Mcjobs these days. For our area, socio-economic status and college plans seem to dictate whether teens work. Most of my clients are college-bound...and it's been pretty rare that they work. But, they are also coming from a higher socio-economic status (upper middle class/wealthy)..and so there wasn't a need for them to work as much. We were still able to pay for most everything for our kids until #4 came along (including car insurance, etc.) With #4, that's not happening anymore, at least for #1 and #2. We've been starting these discussions with DS. Mostly because I'm a firm believer in talk early and talk often when it comes to expectations. I do feel bad that we won't be able to pay for everything for the kids, and let them have school just be their job. But, it is what it is now. And DS is a people person/family person. I think he's OK with knowing he's going to have to work if he wants to drive in exchange for having another sibling. I don't care how much money I make. My kids are still going to work.
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Post by milee on Aug 4, 2017 19:52:12 GMT -5
My oldest son has had a job since he was 15. His first was at an insurance agency and he was just hired to write software for an investing firm. He's 17 and is thrilled about the new job since he wants to be a quant for an investing firm or start a hedge fund. I expect the younger one to work when he is 15, too.
I was not involved in getting DS either of his jobs, nor did he ask; he developed those leads on his own. And when I told him the insurance job was too far for me to drive him, he rode the bus. Has nothing to do with socioeconomic status - has to do with what I want him to learn. I'm well aware I'm in the socioeconomic status I am now because of my hustle... and that started with getting myself jobs and working hard at them from a young age. I hope he learns those things.
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Post by dee27 on Aug 4, 2017 19:59:08 GMT -5
DH and I still live a fairly simple life even if we have some money to splurge on things we want, but it is much cheaper and less hectic than when the kids were at home. We did delay trips and replacement of high ticket items like this year because of our expensive dental bills which are paid in full except for DH's next procedure. We enjoy traveling, but it has become a big hassle since I am less tolerant of whiny adults. Life style creep has not happened because my frugal side is more concerned about the future.
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Post by Lizard Queen on Aug 4, 2017 20:08:28 GMT -5
I don't see younger teens working much anywhere any more. Maybe some ice cream places, but there are lots of adults working Mcjobs these days. For our area, socio-economic status and college plans seem to dictate whether teens work. Most of my clients are college-bound...and it's been pretty rare that they work. But, they are also coming from a higher socio-economic status (upper middle class/wealthy)..and so there wasn't a need for them to work as much. We were still able to pay for most everything for our kids until #4 came along (including car insurance, etc.) With #4, that's not happening anymore, at least for #1 and #2. We've been starting these discussions with DS. Mostly because I'm a firm believer in talk early and talk often when it comes to expectations. I do feel bad that we won't be able to pay for everything for the kids, and let them have school just be their job. But, it is what it is now. And DS is a people person/family person. I think he's OK with knowing he's going to have to work if he wants to drive in exchange for having another sibling. Oh no, I think a few hours of work/week is awesome for them! Shit, the manager of the warehouse I worked at, who made some really, really good money and lived in a very well-to-do area, made his teens work full-time at his warehouse in the summers as soon as they were old enough to do so. Work ethic, and all that.
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Post by zibazinski on Aug 4, 2017 20:42:50 GMT -5
I don't see younger teens working much anywhere any more. Maybe some ice cream places, but there are lots of adults working Mcjobs these days. For our area, socio-economic status and college plans seem to dictate whether teens work. Most of my clients are college-bound...and it's been pretty rare that they work. But, they are also coming from a higher socio-economic status (upper middle class/wealthy)..and so there wasn't a need for them to work as much. We were still able to pay for most everything for our kids until #4 came along (including car insurance, etc.) With #4, that's not happening anymore, at least for #1 and #2. We've been starting these discussions with DS. Mostly because I'm a firm believer in talk early and talk often when it comes to expectations. I do feel bad that we won't be able to pay for everything for the kids, and let them have school just be their job. But, it is what it is now. And DS is a people person/family person. I think he's OK with knowing he's going to have to work if he wants to drive in exchange for having another sibling. Was he involved in the decision to have another sibling? 😂
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giramomma
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Post by giramomma on Aug 4, 2017 20:50:23 GMT -5
Oh no, I think a few hours of work/week is awesome for them! Shit, the manager of the warehouse I worked at, who made some really, really good money and lived in a very well-to-do area, made his teens work full-time at his warehouse in the summers as soon as they were old enough to do so. Work ethic, and all that. I don't think work is the only way, though, to develop a work ethic. And some of it is personality. I never worked in high school..my parents wouldn't let me. I wasn't even really allowed to work my freshman year in college. I started nibbling around the edges of work rules my sophomore year. I think I'm OK when it comes to work ethic. There was the time issue too. I had to work to get good grades. Studying+practice+activities would keep me busy easily 5-6 hours a night. I got home at school from 4. Usually I'd have Friday nights off, but I lost a half day on Saturday to activities..(3 hours of activities+1 hour commute). It was common to be completely booked solid a few weekends every month during the school year. I'm glad my parents didn't ask me to work on top of that..I was already burned out enough as it is by the time I started college. One of my clients never worked but got herself into an Ivy League School. But, the summer between her sophomore and junior year in h.s. she was doing legit research in a lab at our state's flagship university. Had to put a poster together, to and present.
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