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Post by Value Buy on Aug 15, 2017 13:51:36 GMT -5
I'm offended that Trump is going to pardon Arpio. That just pisses me off. I am sure that will stop Trump from doing it I am offended because he has not already done the pardon for him.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 15, 2017 15:45:30 GMT -5
I'm offended that Trump is going to pardon Arpio. That just pisses me off. I am sure that will stop Trump from doing it I am offended because he has not already done the pardon for him. i believe that pardons are not supposed to take place within (5) years of conviction, but look it up. then again, what does the law mean to the PO tuS or any of his minions?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2017 16:05:55 GMT -5
I'm offended.
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 15, 2017 19:57:42 GMT -5
That would be a miscarriage of justice!
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Post by Value Buy on Aug 16, 2017 7:41:18 GMT -5
I am sure that will stop Trump from doing it I am offended because he has not already done the pardon for him. i believe that pardons are not supposed to take place within (5) years of conviction, but look it up. then again, what does the law mean to the PO tuS or any of his minions? Please post the law that says you must wait five years. When Hillary goes down and joins the Orange is the new black club, I imagine most posters here will demand he pardon her on day one, or maybe even before the judge issues her sentencing length.
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Post by Value Buy on Aug 16, 2017 7:41:55 GMT -5
Duly noted
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 18, 2017 7:45:56 GMT -5
Listening tho the KTAR Morning Show the Anti Trump host introduced a minister asking him about Trump supporter nor immediately condemning Trump over the riots. He said "those people just climbed out from under a rock"!
Really??
He went on to say that it was terrible the Trump was dismantling all the good things that President Obama had done.
He went on to say something to the effect of you need to let Jesus Christ show you the way, So now I am being lectured by left Jesus freak!!!
According to some here, only the right has religious nuts.
Yes, I was offended.
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 26, 2017 8:21:00 GMT -5
Well this morning, I am truly offended, Trump pardoned Sheriff Joe,, What a miscarriage of justice!!
But, if it is true as Gardening Grandma pointed out on another thread that he is now open to lawsuits by those he has violated, that would make my day!
The problem is, there would be so many lawsuits, that the court system will be forever clogged,, thousands of lawsuits!!
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 26, 2017 12:18:06 GMT -5
i believe that pardons are not supposed to take place within (5) years of conviction, but look it up. then again, what does the law mean to the PO tuS or any of his minions? Please post the law that says you must wait five years. When Hillary goes down and joins the Orange is the new black club, I imagine most posters here will demand he pardon her on day one, or maybe even before the judge issues her sentencing length. i never claimed there was a law. but to answer your question, the RULE in question is this one: 28 C.F.R. §§ 1.1 apparently, it is a Democratic rule. the GOP has less respect for the court system. edit: PS- i told YOU to look it up. you didn't. next time, i will not respond to your request to provide more information under similar circumstances. Google is your friend. utilize it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2017 12:33:54 GMT -5
I don't have much to say about Joe being pardoned, other than it was expected. Pardons happen. I expect the Trump pardon list to get much longer. I also expect that everyone who has an ax to grind with Trump will not like the pardons for so many reasons that it will be uncountable. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_pardoned_by_Barack_Obama
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 26, 2017 12:38:11 GMT -5
I don't have much to say about Joe being pardoned, other than it was expected. Pardons happen. I expect the Trump pardon list to get much longer. I also expect that everyone who has an ax to grind with Trump will not like the pardons for so many reasons that it will be uncountable. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_pardoned_by_Barack_Obamado you agree with 28 C.F.R. §§ 1.1? seems like a good rule to me. if you are not familiar with it, i can find you a link. i think it is at the DOJ website.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2017 12:55:46 GMT -5
I don't have much to say about Joe being pardoned, other than it was expected. Pardons happen. I expect the Trump pardon list to get much longer. I also expect that everyone who has an ax to grind with Trump will not like the pardons for so many reasons that it will be uncountable. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_pardoned_by_Barack_Obamado you agree with 28 C.F.R. §§ 1.1? seems like a good rule to me. if you are not familiar with it, i can find you a link. i think it is at the DOJ website. The regulations contained in 28 CFR §§ 1.1 thru 1.11 are advisory only and for the internal guidance of Department of Justice personnel. They create no enforceable rights in persons applying for executive clemency, nor do they restrict the authority granted to the President under Article II, Section 2 of the Constitution.www.justice.gov/
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 26, 2017 12:57:51 GMT -5
do you agree with 28 C.F.R. §§ 1.1? seems like a good rule to me. if you are not familiar with it, i can find you a link. i think it is at the DOJ website. The regulations contained in 28 CFR §§ 1.1 thru 1.11 are advisory only and for the internal guidance of Department of Justice personnel. They create no enforceable rights in persons applying for executive clemency, nor do they restrict the authority granted to the President under Article II, Section 2 of the Constitution.www.justice.gov/yeah, i said that (post 68). i also said it seems like a good rule to me. so, do you agree with it?
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The regulations contained in 28 CFR §§ 1.1 thru 1.11 are advisory only and for the internal guidance of Department of Justice personnel. They create no enforceable rights in persons applying for executive clemency, nor do they restrict the authority granted to the President under Article II, Section 2 of the Constitution.www.justice.gov/yeah, i said that (post 68). i also said it seems like a good rule to me. so, do you agree with it? Yes. Since they do not restrict presidential authority, I don't see how it makes Trump a POS for not following rules that are intended to guide DOJ employees. Or am I not seeing what you're trying to say ?
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 26, 2017 13:11:42 GMT -5
yeah, i said that (post 68). i also said it seems like a good rule to me. so, do you agree with it? am I not seeing what you're trying to say ? no, you aren't. i am asking whether you agree with the actual rule, and the reasoning by it, which is here: 3. Five-year waiting period required
Under the Department's rules governing petitions for executive clemency, 28 C.F.R. §§ 1.1 et seq., an applicant must satisfy a minimum waiting period of five years before he becomes eligible to apply for a presidential pardon of his federal conviction. The waiting period, which is designed to afford the petitioner a reasonable period of time in which to demonstrate an ability to lead a responsible, productive and law-abiding life, begins on the date of the petitioner's release from confinement. that seems sensible to me. offering clemency in a case where someone shows no remorse (and, in this case, has not served ANY of their sentence) doesn't seem right to me- it breeds contempt for the law. and yeah, i would feel the same way if it was "my ox being gored", as oc would put it. edit: i don't know that Arpaio sought clemency. that is actually not material to my question, which is whether you agree with the rule or not, in principle.
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Post by Value Buy on Aug 31, 2017 16:57:40 GMT -5
Please post the law that says you must wait five years. When Hillary goes down and joins the Orange is the new black club, I imagine most posters here will demand he pardon her on day one, or maybe even before the judge issues her sentencing length. i never claimed there was a law. but to answer your question, the RULE in question is this one: 28 C.F.R. §§ 1.1 apparently, it is a Democratic rule. the GOP has less respect for the court system. edit: PS- i told YOU to look it up. you didn't. next time, i will not respond to your request to provide more information under similar circumstances. Google is your friend. utilize it. I can only hope so. It was a democratic rule, not a law, which I knew, was not a law. Evidently you were incorrect.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 31, 2017 20:02:04 GMT -5
i never claimed there was a law. but to answer your question, the RULE in question is this one: 28 C.F.R. §§ 1.1 apparently, it is a Democratic rule. the GOP has less respect for the court system. edit: PS- i told YOU to look it up. you didn't. next time, i will not respond to your request to provide more information under similar circumstances. Google is your friend. utilize it. I can only hope so. It was a democratic rule, not a law, which I knew, was not a law. Evidently you were incorrect. i never claimed it was a law. i claimed it was a rule. i also claimed it was a good one. why are you INCORRECTLY implying that i said anything OTHER than that? trumpsux
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Post by thyme4change on Aug 31, 2017 20:56:37 GMT -5
I don't have much to say about Joe being pardoned, other than it was expected. Pardons happen. I expect the Trump pardon list to get much longer. I also expect that everyone who has an ax to grind with Trump will not like the pardons for so many reasons that it will be uncountable. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_pardoned_by_Barack_ObamaI've been pissed about pardons since Bill Clinton. I retroactively am pissed at H W Bush - but I was too clueless and steeped in a Republican household to know what happened at the time. I'm not happy that BO did it either. I think Trump may set a record.
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Post by Value Buy on Aug 31, 2017 21:28:49 GMT -5
I can only hope so. It was a democratic rule, not a law, which I knew, was not a law. Evidently you were incorrect. i never claimed it was a law. i claimed it was a rule. i also claimed it was a good one. why are you INCORRECTLY implying that i said anything OTHER than that? trumpsuxSee post 61. You stated: i believe that pardons are not supposed to take place within (5) years of conviction, but look it up.
then again, what does the law mean to the POtuS or any of his minions?You wrote it as if he was breaking the law.
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 1, 2017 9:58:00 GMT -5
i never claimed it was a law. i claimed it was a rule. i also claimed it was a good one. why are you INCORRECTLY implying that i said anything OTHER than that? trumpsuxSee post 61. You stated: i believe that pardons are not supposed to take place within (5) years of conviction, but look it up.
then again, what does the law mean to the POtuS or any of his minions?You wrote it as if he was breaking the law.that is not what i was trying to say. what i was trying to say is that by intervening in this case before sentencing, this administration is undermining due process and the law. but i can see how you might have interpreted it that way.
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 1, 2017 10:00:48 GMT -5
I don't have much to say about Joe being pardoned, other than it was expected. Pardons happen. I expect the Trump pardon list to get much longer. I also expect that everyone who has an ax to grind with Trump will not like the pardons for so many reasons that it will be uncountable. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_pardoned_by_Barack_ObamaI've been pissed about pardons since Bill Clinton. I retroactively am pissed at H W Bush - but I was too clueless and steeped in a Republican household to know what happened at the time. I'm not happy that BO did it either. I think Trump may set a record. i think that pardons are fine, subject to the rule stated. it gives the perp the time to serve out his or her sentence and repent. the pardon merely erases the record, and allows the person to get on with their life. and it may, in some cases, allow for a miscarriage of justice to be remedied. in this case, however, justice has still not been carried out, and the perp is unrepentant. not a fan.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2017 10:04:38 GMT -5
I don't have much to say about Joe being pardoned, other than it was expected. Pardons happen. I expect the Trump pardon list to get much longer. I also expect that everyone who has an ax to grind with Trump will not like the pardons for so many reasons that it will be uncountable. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_pardoned_by_Barack_ObamaI've been pissed about pardons since Bill Clinton. I retroactively am pissed at H W Bush - but I was too clueless and steeped in a Republican household to know what happened at the time. I'm not happy that BO did it either. I think Trump may set a record. I'm in the wait and see camp as far as records go. Not that anything is going to happen about it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2017 10:08:34 GMT -5
Anyone think Joe use going to be working for Homeland Security ?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2017 10:24:24 GMT -5
am I not seeing what you're trying to say ? no, you aren't. i am asking whether you agree with the actual rule, and the reasoning by it, which is here: 3. Five-year waiting period required
Under the Department's rules governing petitions for executive clemency, 28 C.F.R. §§ 1.1 et seq., an applicant must satisfy a minimum waiting period of five years before he becomes eligible to apply for a presidential pardon of his federal conviction. The waiting period, which is designed to afford the petitioner a reasonable period of time in which to demonstrate an ability to lead a responsible, productive and law-abiding life, begins on the date of the petitioner's release from confinement. that seems sensible to me. offering clemency in a case where someone shows no remorse (and, in this case, has not served ANY of their sentence) doesn't seem right to me- it breeds contempt for the law. and yeah, i would feel the same way if it was "my ox being gored", as oc would put it. edit: i don't know that Arpaio sought clemency. that is actually not material to my question, which is whether you agree with the rule or not, in principle. I agree with the rule as its intended. A guideline for D O J employees. I don't believe a rule for D O J employees, should be any kind of voluntary guideline for presidential pardons. Presidential pardons are at the whim of any sitting president.
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Post by Value Buy on Sept 1, 2017 11:04:46 GMT -5
am I not seeing what you're trying to say ? no, you aren't. i am asking whether you agree with the actual rule, and the reasoning by it, which is here: 3. Five-year waiting period required
Under the Department's rules governing petitions for executive clemency, 28 C.F.R. §§ 1.1 et seq., an applicant must satisfy a minimum waiting period of five years before he becomes eligible to apply for a presidential pardon of his federal conviction. The waiting period, which is designed to afford the petitioner a reasonable period of time in which to demonstrate an ability to lead a responsible, productive and law-abiding life, begins on the date of the petitioner's release from confinement. that seems sensible to me. offering clemency in a case where someone shows no remorse (and, in this case, has not served ANY of their sentence) doesn't seem right to me- it breeds contempt for the law. and yeah, i would feel the same way if it was "my ox being gored", as oc would put it. edit: i don't know that Arpaio sought clemency. that is actually not material to my question, which is whether you agree with the rule or not, in principle. As I see it, Arpaio may not have the five year waiting period left to show the remorse people want from him. Isn't he in his mid eighties?
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Post by thyme4change on Sept 1, 2017 12:23:54 GMT -5
Speaking of being offended - wxyz is losing his shizz on the Osteen thread. I guess liberals asking that you stop using the word f*gg*t is snowflake territory, but pointing out inconsistencies in religion is just plain disrespectful.
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Post by Value Buy on Sept 1, 2017 12:55:55 GMT -5
Speaking of being offended - wxyz is losing his shizz on the Osteen thread. I guess liberals asking that you stop using the word f*gg*t is snowflake territory, but pointing out inconsistencies in religion is just plain disrespectful. so......you are one of the mean girls reliving your school years! Why bring that up here? He could post here if he liked.
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Post by thyme4change on Sept 1, 2017 13:17:24 GMT -5
Because liberals get accused of being fragile when things aren't PC, but a conservative gets butt hurt about really some minor joking about religion and it is a tragedy. Which is It? Are we going to blurt out our opinions no matter who gets hurt, or are we going to try and be respectful?
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Speaking of being offended - wxyz is losing his shizz on the Osteen thread. I guess liberals asking that you stop using the word f*gg*t is snowflake territory, but pointing out inconsistencies in religion is just plain disrespectful. meh, if you try long enough, you can usually find something that bothers someone else. Why even bring it up. To show that it happens ?
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Speaking of being offended - wxyz is losing his shizz on the Osteen thread. I guess liberals asking that you stop using the word f*gg*t is snowflake territory, but pointing out inconsistencies in religion is just plain disrespectful. He called someone that "f" word?
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