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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2017 15:34:31 GMT -5
Please watch it. I would love to hear from you all. Yeah, I'm totally not going to watch it because I love meat and we eat a ton of it...especially this time of the year when I grill almost every night. Milk consumption has dropped a lot at our house since older son has given it up for the most part, but we sure go through the shredded cheese.
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Post by Chocolate Lover on Jun 30, 2017 15:37:31 GMT -5
Just the fact that it's executive produced by Joaquin Phoenix makes me a little skeptical of it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2017 16:13:07 GMT -5
Maybe their "agenda" is to reduce healthcare costs by helping people prevent what's preventable, especially obesity- and heart-related problems, and help them to stay healthy and active as long as possible? Too bad it will fall on many deaf ears.
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Post by debthaven on Jun 30, 2017 16:13:09 GMT -5
I haven't seen the film but I'm amazed that no one has yet mentioned an incredibly cheap source of protein that is available around the world ... insects.
No, I haven't, and I'm not planning to. But, they are a cheap and readily available source of protein.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2017 16:14:28 GMT -5
I haven't seen the film but I'm amazed that no one has yet mentioned an incredibly cheap source of protein that is available around the world ... insects. No, I haven't, and I'm not planning to. But, they are a cheap and readily available source of protein. When I was in Costa Rica the guide and a few of my fellow travelers ate some termites and said they tasted minty. I just watched.
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Post by debthaven on Jun 30, 2017 16:16:13 GMT -5
LOL @athena53 ! I don't blame you! But they are an affordable delicacy in many cultures.
Here's a link to an HSBC ad that used to freak me out (because of course the only problem was not enough salt):
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Jun 30, 2017 16:34:55 GMT -5
I have't seen the documentary, but I do plan to watch it.
We cut back on red meat some time ago. Now we might have it once or twice a week. If a recipe calls for a pound of ground beef, I use 3/4 lb. I might slice up a steak and make fajitas for two. Bacon is a condiment. If I make fried rice (a favorite), 2 slices of bacon is plenty.
Our protein staple is chicken breasts, but typically we'll split one for dinner. A 3-4 oz serving is quite enough.
We typically eat a vegetarian meal a couple of times a week; both of us need to drop some weight, so salad for dinner is pretty common. I'll add a boiled egg for some lean protein.
Red beans and rice are one of my favorite meals....
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Post by TheOtherMe on Jun 30, 2017 16:40:01 GMT -5
I am a vegetarian and have been since about the year 2000.
Hospital where I had my surgery did not understand what a vegetarian was. They served me beef broth after I told them I was a vegetarian. I told them I would not eat it. I was told "it's just broth". Also brought me fish. Was told some vegetarians don't consider fish as meat. Ask me what I believe. Fish is meat in my book and I'm not eating it.
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Post by weltschmerz on Jun 30, 2017 16:55:07 GMT -5
Maybe their "agenda" is to reduce healthcare costs by helping people prevent what's preventable, especially obesity- and heart-related problems, and help them to stay healthy and active as long as possible? Too bad it will fall on many deaf ears. ...not to mention that other sources of protein have far less impact on the environment. Meat creates a huge carbon footprint. Four fifths of the deforestation of the Amazon rainforest is for cattle ranching. www.scientificamerican.com/article/meat-and-environment/
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Post by Mrs. Dinero on Jun 30, 2017 17:08:43 GMT -5
"not to mention that other sources of protein have far less impact on the environment. Meat creates a huge carbon footprint. Four fifths of the deforestation of the Amazon rainforest is for cattle ranching."
yes!!! We can't sustain meat (beef, pork, poultry, and fish) and dairy production as it is now for that much longer. We are destroying the earth.
Eat less meat & dairy to: -help save the planet -better your health -better the others of others living in these industry environments
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Post by weltschmerz on Jun 30, 2017 17:14:32 GMT -5
"not to mention that other sources of protein have far less impact on the environment. Meat creates a huge carbon footprint. Four fifths of the deforestation of the Amazon rainforest is for cattle ranching." yes!!! We can't sustain meat (beef, pork, poultry, and fish) and dairy production as it is now for that much longer. We are destroying the earth. Meat less meat & dairy to: -help save the planet -better your health -better the others of others living in these industry environments If we keep this up, our only source of protein will be Soylent Green.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2017 17:29:27 GMT -5
"not to mention that other sources of protein have far less impact on the environment. Meat creates a huge carbon footprint. Four fifths of the deforestation of the Amazon rainforest is for cattle ranching." yes!!! We can't sustain meat (beef, pork, poultry, and fish) and dairy production as it is now for that much longer. We are destroying the earth. Meat less meat & dairy to: -help save the planet -better your health -better the others of others living in these industry environments If we keep this up, our only source of protein will be Soylent Green. Well, there you go. Plenty of protein there. I don't know why there is not more focus on achieving zero population growth...well...I DO know...it's all about the mighty dollar. Too many people is the root problem, and especially the disproportionate growth in urban areas. We're going to run out of everything eventually.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jun 30, 2017 18:07:53 GMT -5
The food police busybodies always make me cranky, so I was just going to move along to something else (preferably the cookies thread or possibly something involving chocolate), but this sort of thing always causes a bunch of questions to pop into my mind (such as it is):
Who is behind this?
What is their agenda?
What's in it for them?
Where's the money angle and who does it benefit?
My usual response to someone trying to tell me what to do is to thank them for sharing and stare at them until they go away, so I'm not really interested in seeing the video or chasing down the background. I don't really care what other people eat. I have enough trouble managing my own life. Also, I like bacon. And steak. And pork chops. And sausage for breakfast.
Trying to get me to survive on tofu and lentils will not end well for anyone making the attempt.
Wait. Are these the same people who advocate living on air?
People are weird. I always walk away from these documentaries thinking, "Well, since we all gotta go sometime, ..."
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jun 30, 2017 18:11:38 GMT -5
If we keep this up, our only source of protein will be Soylent Green. The problem with your argument being that most of us would still prefer Soylent Green over tofu and lentils.
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Jun 30, 2017 18:30:11 GMT -5
Only skimmed first post page
Y'all need to look into nuts and seeds. Very filling.
I haven't eaten meat in 30 years, mostly to full vegan for 20.
Eating habits can be difficult to change. But every meal either reinforces old habits, or new ones.
I try to limit to 2-3 times a week for tofu. At first that was difficult, but now I have many dishes centered on beans, lentils, nuts or seeds. I do need many more. Working on an idea for a hearty loaf with lentils/almond with vegs and maybe chia. So far, just thinking....maybe this weekend ?
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Jun 30, 2017 18:37:58 GMT -5
I actually don't mind tofu. I prefer the sofritas filling from Chipotle over the meat ones. I just have a hard time cooking it and not having it get mushy. I found a way to make "crispy" tofu, but it's like a 3 hour long process. You're buying the wrong tofu 🤔
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Post by Tiny on Jun 30, 2017 18:39:22 GMT -5
I suspect our ancestors (recent and distant past) probably ate less meat than we do today. Nurturing animals is "expensive" and can be time consuming (you have to provide feed and care year round) and it's hard to "store" the final product for very long.
I doubt a family of 4 slaughtered a chicken every day for lunch and then a cow (or lambs or goats or a pig) every couple of months so they'd have dinners. That's a lot of livestock to have on hand....
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2017 19:14:35 GMT -5
I suspect our ancestors (recent and distant past) probably ate less meat than we do today. Nurturing animals is "expensive" and can be time consuming (you have to provide feed and care year round) and it's hard to "store" the final product for very long. I doubt a family of 4 slaughtered a chicken every day for lunch and then a cow (or lambs or goats or a pig) every couple of months so they'd have dinners. That's a lot of livestock to have on hand.... That's why they smoked, pickled and made it into jerky. In the north you could extend the winter freeze quite a while with a root cellar. I get a half a steer once a year and it pretty much takes all three of us through the entire year with eating either steak, roast or hamburger at least 3 times a week. So, splitting with the neighbors, that's 5 people, on one steer that we raised up. The majority of the year they're just on pasture so pretty low maintenance. In winter we give hay.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jun 30, 2017 19:15:00 GMT -5
I suspect our ancestors (recent and distant past) probably ate less meat than we do today. Nurturing animals is "expensive" and can be time consuming (you have to provide feed and care year round) and it's hard to "store" the final product for very long. I doubt a family of 4 slaughtered a chicken every day for lunch and then a cow (or lambs or goats or a pig) every couple of months so they'd have dinners. That's a lot of livestock to have on hand.... No, meat was a luxury. A tasty... juicy... fall-off-the-bone... luxury. *slurp* I must go now. For... sleep.
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Post by dannylion on Jun 30, 2017 19:23:48 GMT -5
I made Swedish meatballs for dinner.
They were chicken meatballs, but still ...
The important thing was that my dinner was entirely tofu-free.
Also no lentils.
Though I do like lentil soup.
With sausages in.
Okay, I did not actually make the meatballs. I bought them at Costco. But I made the sauce and put the meatballs in it.
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Post by zibazinski on Jun 30, 2017 19:48:49 GMT -5
I made Swedish meatballs for dinner.
They were chicken meatballs, but still ...
The important thing was that my dinner was entirely tofu-free.
Also no lentils.
Though I do like lentil soup.
With sausages in.
Okay, I did not actually make the meatballs. I bought them at Costco. But I made the sauce and put the meatballs in it. 😂👍🏻
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Post by empress of self-improvement on Jun 30, 2017 20:06:19 GMT -5
I am a carnivore. Always was, always will be. Right now my meat and dairy consumption is at an all time low only because I have been entirely too lazy to go grocery shopping and I prefer my own burgers over anything at a fast food joint. I won't eat anything that came out of the ocean. I will eat cow and pig. Denis Leary is my hero. www.metrolyrics.com/meat-lyrics-dennis-leary.html
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Post by phil5185 on Jun 30, 2017 20:18:32 GMT -5
I watched it! The writer certainly has an adversarial approach, wow, "I hate businesses because you don't do as I say". Much of his goal was to build conspiracy theories, but he did some good research and took some good data. Sadly he used the data to reach the wrong conclusion IMO, ie, he had his conclusion first and he bent his data to support it. There simply are not that many "bad" foods, our appetite system is very efficient at telling us what our body desires, and causing us to fill that desire. That is probably hot early mankind first tried eating an animal - followed by cooking an animal (probably one killed by lightening).
But the "real" conclusion IMO is the amount of food - when Man had to find the food, harvest it, chase it, kill it, prepare it - he no doubt got a lot of exercise/labor between meals - and the food products would be varied - berries when available, fruit, rabbits, prairie chickens, rabbits, fish, etc. None of the foods were "bad", but the amount was limited.
In the US, our big problem is portion control - meat, veggies, fruit, fish, potatoes, bread - you see people in buffet lines loading up. A meat portion is 3 or 4 ozs, many menus give you the choice of an 8, 10, or 12oz steak. Served with a large baked tatoe, beans, bread, yada. In real life, enough to feed a family. And that is where obesity comes from - and it causes all the ills that he mentioned - heart attacks, strokes, diabetes, cancer, dementia, joint pain, breathing issues, and more. I've read that Boomers are the first generation to cause the US life expectancy to go down - too much obesity.
Anecdotal evidence. In the 1920s/30s, farmers would hitch their team to a hay rack and gather at a neighbors to thresh grain. They would pitchfork bundles from the ground onto their hay rack until the stack was about 6 feet deep, then they crawled up on top of the load and drove the team to the threshing machine where they waited in line to pitch the bundles into the machine. They hauled several loads a day, dawn to dusk. At noon they ate pork chops or beef, stacks of tatoes and gravy, several slices of bread, followed by pie (except for one guy who always started with his pie). And then they did it again at supper time. Nobody was obese, all lean and muscled. IMO, they had the right portions (they needed about 6000 calories of fuel). My dad did that, he lived past age 98, and so did my uncles.
As for cattle contributing a sizable portion of greenhouse gas - that's factual, and in a way, 'natural' - The millions of buffalo (also bovine) on the US prairies were there before Man settled this country.
Deforestation of the Amazon. That sounds terrible to most of us. The forests were clear-cut for the mahogany and teak-wood. Then grassed for pasture for cattle. Hard to tell how bad it will be, 75 years from now that spot may have reverted to forest - or be overgrazed into a patch of dirt. Man will learn and get better, but sometimes it seems to take forever.
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Post by giramomma on Jun 30, 2017 23:35:38 GMT -5
I dunno. We're a family of 5. Our grocery bills run about 500-550 or so a month. So I'm sure how much more we can save. This is like USDA thrifty plan for us is almost 750/month. We treat meat like a side dish for the most part. We have red meat like twice a month. And then it's chicken or turkey. We have brats once a month or so and pork once a month or so. We have bacon like twice a year. Usually Christmas and Mother's day. I think it's different when you have kids. My 13 yo DS won't stay full eating salads and apples all day long. He just won't. He needs some protein to keep him full. And he's not a complete lover of beans. Personally, I'd rather have him eat some meat than over-indulge on carbs to fill up. And when you start looking at ways to incorporate plant based protein into your diet, that can get pretty expensive. DD1 is a vegetarian and also very active. I found noodles made out of chick peas for her that she loves. One container is $7...serving size is two meals...but with her, she can get three out of them. While we made trade in some costs (like lower health bills to less cancer), we're going to incur other ones..like the costs of having a larger portion of your population living longer. We can't figure out a cost-effective way of caring for the elderly as it is now....I don't think it's going to get better in the future. I'm not following. Regular noodles don't have any animal proteins in them, just durum semolina. Why can't she eat regular pasta? Because she needs protein from somewhere. She's fickle about cheese and spinach. Cottage cheese and yogurt is out. Fickle about hummus and nuts (nuts we have to be careful of binging.) She will eat TVP when we have taco night or sloppy joes. We'd prefer she didn't eat faux chicken meat/faux corn dogs for dinners the rest of the week. We do ask the kids to eat some protein at every meal. Breakfast it's eggs, pb, or veggie sausage. Lunches, especially for school get challenging. Sometimes she'll take leftovers. If she's down with string cheese, then it's a little easier. That's when the chickpea noodles come in super handy. DD1 has also been in the 95th-100 percentiles for height and weight for most of her life.. We don't overtly control what she eats..but given her history and my PCOS (PCOS can be passed down through the family), we want to keep the carbs in check, and we try to avoid breads, crackers, and the like in general. Even if it's whole grain. It's finally worked.. We keep her active, and she's starting to hit puberty. She's dropped down to the 85th percentile for weight. I think she's always going to be a bigger/taller girl. Her frame will never allow her to be a size 2. She's still a head+ taller than all the kids in her class. Her feet are as big as mine at 10. So we need to find protein from other places...hence the chick pea noodles, which have 17 grams of protein per serving, incase anyone is wondering.
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Post by NastyWoman on Jul 1, 2017 0:21:42 GMT -5
I haven't seen the film but I'm amazed that no one has yet mentioned an incredibly cheap source of protein that is available around the world ... insects. No, I haven't, and I'm not planning to. But, they are a cheap and readily available source of protein. When I was in Costa Rica the guide and a few of my fellow travelers ate some termites and said they tasted minty. I just watched. I have seen the delicacy of deep fried grasshopers served in foodstalls along the road in Bangkok. Note, I said seen not eaten. I took a pass. I prefer the smaller portions of meat over those I grew up with, but I do like meat so I eat it. I drink milk only in the form of cappuccino or similar drinks, but people beter stay away from my cheese! Like several others have already said, moderation is key in my opinion
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Post by Mrs. Dinero on Jul 1, 2017 4:53:20 GMT -5
"Man will learn and get better, but sometimes it seems to take forever" You are right. History shows we can overcome. However, I would be lying if I said I wasn't concerned about the future state of the planet. Thanks for your response Phil. Genuinely intrigued by the opinions of this intelligent, logical, and opinionated crew.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jul 1, 2017 6:30:32 GMT -5
i disagree. From a health stand point, it isn't the meat that is making us fat. It is all of the processed frankenfood and huge carb consumption that is making us fat. The only time I can lose weight is when I do low carb
We have an obesity epidemic but it is not caused by meat and dairy
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Post by MJ2.0 on Jul 1, 2017 6:38:52 GMT -5
No one responded to what I brought up earlier - the upfront costs of eating healthier. If I decided today I wanted to be Vegan (never gonna happen btw), I'd have to throw out all my meat and animals products and completely replace them with new vegan options. Now veggies are cheaper than meat per lb, but I will need a LOT more veggies to fill me up if I have no meat. Also I can easily freeze meat to use later - not so with fresh veggies. So now I have more quickly perishable foods... if I don't use them all before they go bad, that's money wasted.
Forever ago I considered Paleo. With all the meat, nuts, extra veg, and almond flour I'd need to buy to not be hungry 24/7, it was most cost effective to continue my diet but just track calories.
I think a lot of people care about their health and the planet .... they just care about their wallets more.
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Post by yogiii on Jul 1, 2017 6:45:50 GMT -5
Most of the problem is processed food and portion control IMO. For our two big batch meals usually one is meatless. Various salads with a homemade vinaigrette dressing happen almost every week. Southwestern quinoa, pasta salad (about 1/3 pasta the rest, tomatoes, cukes, peppers, mozzarella), bean salads, etc. I don't find eating healthier more expensive, I'm not constantly buying soda or bags of Doritos. I do buy a lot of almonds and peanuts but I think overall it's all about the same.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2017 7:16:53 GMT -5
Many fruits and vegetables have a long shelf life- cabbage, Brussels sprouts, cauliflower, broccoli. I just make sure to use the ones that have a short shelf life earlier in the week. Grapes and bananas are delicious frozen (I peel the bananas first). Dried lentils, beans, quinoa, etc. last forever. I live alone and rarely throw out food because it's spoiled.
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