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Post by mmhmm on Jun 28, 2017 16:12:01 GMT -5
Doesn't seem to be making the epidemic worse so far... quite the opposite, actually: www.newscientist.com/article/2117426-massive-drop-in-london-hiv-rates-may-be-due-to-internet-drugs/And I can think of at least 4 situations off the top of my head (mother-to-child transmission, first responders who come in contact with bodily fluids, unwitting spouse of a cheater, and rape victims) where the drug could be used to prevent transmission to someone who had no control over their own exposure... that doesn't seem like a waste of research funds to me. Not to mention it's expected in ongoing research of this type to move forward in baby steps. Each new discovery pushes the research forward toward further discovery. That's how, eventually, cures are developed.
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Post by Tiny on Jun 28, 2017 16:13:23 GMT -5
The measles vaccine (MMR is 97% effective if two vaccinations are received and 93% effective if only one vaccination is received. It's less effective against mumps, with an 88% and 78% effectivity respectively. As this case pointed out, there hadn't been a case of measles in Maine since 1997 (I think that's the right year). It's doubtful, therefore, that "a lot of people" have seen the illness contracted despite vaccination. My sister got the mumps. Both of us contracted the chicken pox. I've confirmed we were both vaccinated right on schedule. But this was 30 years ago when the illness might have been more common and the vaccines weren't as effective. And what morally reprehensible thing(s) did you and your sister (or maybe it was the moral failings of your parents?) that caused your sister to be inflicted with mumps and the both of you to contract chicken pox? Where you kids touching "unclean" things and people? or eating "unclean" food? <-- that's sarcasm... cause you have suggested that illness can be based on moral failings... I can only assume your illness was the result of some moral failing on your part.
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Post by mmhmm on Jun 28, 2017 16:16:24 GMT -5
My sister got the mumps. Both of us contracted the chicken pox. I've confirmed we were both vaccinated right on schedule. But this was 30 years ago when the illness might have been more common and the vaccines weren't as effective. And what morally reprehensible thing(s) did you and your sister (or maybe it was the moral failings of your parents?) that caused your sister to be inflicted with mumps and the both of you to contract chicken pox? Where you kids touching "unclean" things and people? or eating "unclean" food? <-- that's sarcasm... cause you have suggested that illness can be based on moral failings... I can only assume your illness was the result of some moral failing on your part. <chuckle> I had the mumps (complete with the meningitis complication), the measles (both kinds), and the chicken pox. Somebody in our family must have been doing some really bad, immoral stuff! Wasn't me! I was just a little kid!
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jun 28, 2017 16:45:56 GMT -5
Doesn't seem to be making the epidemic worse so far... quite the opposite, actually: www.newscientist.com/article/2117426-massive-drop-in-london-hiv-rates-may-be-due-to-internet-drugs/And I can think of at least 4 situations off the top of my head (mother-to-child transmission, first responders who come in contact with bodily fluids, unwitting spouse of a cheater, and rape victims) where the drug could be used to prevent transmission to someone who had no control over their own exposure... that doesn't seem like a waste of research funds to me. Of course rates drop as soon as it's released. Then people get complacent, risky behaviour increases, and the end is worse than the start. Like clockwork. That's with regards to sex and drug use. First responders I can see benefiting in the long term. Potential rape victims? You mean everybody on Earth? According to the publications in your last link, side effects include nausea, dizziness, loss of bone density. Who in their right mind would put up with that their entire life because they might be raped by an HIV carrier at some point?
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jun 28, 2017 16:50:39 GMT -5
My sister got the mumps. Both of us contracted the chicken pox. I've confirmed we were both vaccinated right on schedule. But this was 30 years ago when the illness might have been more common and the vaccines weren't as effective. And what morally reprehensible thing(s) did you and your sister (or maybe it was the moral failings of your parents?) that caused your sister to be inflicted with mumps and the both of you to contract chicken pox? Where you kids touching "unclean" things and people? or eating "unclean" food? <-- that's sarcasm... cause you have suggested that illness can be based on moral failings... I can only assume your illness was the result of some moral failing on your part. Already addressed in Reply #19 and Reply #22. I'm not going to address it a third time for those who can't or won't read more than two sentences.
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Post by Value Buy on Jun 28, 2017 19:30:28 GMT -5
I think people not wanting to get immunized isn't all of the problem. With the potential changes in healthcare and Trump removing funding from many areas, what if the funding for childhood immunizations drops too much?
www.ncsl.org/research/health/immunizations-policy-issues-overview.aspx
According to the Association of State and Territorial Health Officials, every $1 spent on immunizations saves $16 in avoided costs, but vaccines are not cheap. The federal contract price for all vaccines recommended to age 18 increased from $45 in 1985 to $1,105 for males and $1,407 for females in 2008 for programs that receive immunization grants. Factors pushing up costs include new vaccines and inflation.
Federal funds pay for approximately 95 percent of all publicly funded vaccinations. The two sources of federal funds are:
Vaccines for Children Program (VFC): This program provides free vaccines for children who are uninsured, Medicaid-eligible, underinsured (if receiving immunizations in a federally qualified health center or rural health clinic), Native American or Alaska Native.
Section 317 of the Public Health Services Act: is a federal program administered by the CDC and provides grants to states and territories, commonwealth trusts, and several cities for vaccine purchase and programs such as outreach and disease surveillance. The Affordable Care Act (ACA) reauthorizes the Section 317 grant program.
Do you worry about the unvaccinated illegal immigrants who have come here?
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Post by thyme4change on Jun 30, 2017 11:25:18 GMT -5
And what morally reprehensible thing(s) did you and your sister (or maybe it was the moral failings of your parents?) that caused your sister to be inflicted with mumps and the both of you to contract chicken pox? Where you kids touching "unclean" things and people? or eating "unclean" food? <-- that's sarcasm... cause you have suggested that illness can be based on moral failings... I can only assume your illness was the result of some moral failing on your part. <chuckle> I had the mumps (complete with the meningitis complication), the measles (both kinds), and the chicken pox. Somebody in our family must have been doing some really bad, immoral stuff! Wasn't me! I was just a little kid! Original sin.
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Post by mmhmm on Jun 30, 2017 11:34:30 GMT -5
<chuckle> I had the mumps (complete with the meningitis complication), the measles (both kinds), and the chicken pox. Somebody in our family must have been doing some really bad, immoral stuff! Wasn't me! I was just a little kid! Original sin. But of course! I didn't even think of that!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2017 13:45:38 GMT -5
Well then we will be left with the American Utopia according to the health care thread where only good responsible upstanding people will exist and procreate. All those no good lazy moocher people who need assistance with vaccination costs will finally be weeded out of the gene pool. It's going to be so freaking glorious! Not to mention reduced co2 emissions due to a smaller population. The responsible/upstanding people will live in a more stable and controlled environment. No downside to a reduced population. Especially "that" part of the population. Reduced co2 emissions and moochers. Now that's a win, win.
Feel free to enter that discussion on the healthcare thread. Just quote any one of my posts with a good return argument. I'll be more than happy to jump back in. No need for partial information coverage as you're posting over here. I get that from the liberal media.
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