NomoreDramaQ1015
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jun 29, 2017 8:32:46 GMT -5
They were fired because their actions did not reflect well on the college and seminary. IMO it had nothing to do with perceived privilege, black, white, polka-dotted or otherwise. This is a small college, under 2000 students, roughly between South Bend Indiana and Fort Wayne Indiana. They were fired because of complaints. Those complaints asserted that it didn't reflect on the college well. Absent any complaints there would have been no action. And because of people like Ice T and Ice Cube and Run DMC and Snoop Dogg and other black rappers (nothing against any of them, they are just all well known rappers, and all of them are black), no one would have criticized black rapper parody by black individuals. It would have been perceived as acceptable "because blacks are the ones that are predominantly rappers". I do appreciate your opinion though, I just believe it to be incorrect. Having worked for a private college/seminary I disagree with you. Rap lyrics in general pretty much go against everything that they preach. Implying that is the atmosphere of the college campus would get you terminated. These colleges are trying to attract parents with wholesome Christian values who want their children to attend a school that represents wholesome Christian values. Rap pretty much flies in the face of that. There is also the implied threat of violence with the guy holding his fingers to his head. Silly to you? Possibly. Silly to the people who hold the values the college is supposed to represent? Not so much. I had a morality clause included in my employment when I worked for Creighton. My employment hinged on representing the values of the Jesuit community. This promo would have been a big middle finger in their face. Part of being in PR is knowing your audience. Your audience is not the students, your audience is the parents who will be looking at sending their kids there. Your audience is the alumni and other benefactors who bring money to the university which in the case of a private institution is pretty much your sole income stream because you cannot accept state funds if you want to remain private. People who attend small religious colleges and seminaries are not the type of people who are going to think your rap parody is cool. Then I've said it before in other threads with a similar theme the whole point of being a private college is that you can do as you please. They had every right to terminate these people. If you don't want to have to constantly think about "what would Jesus do" while on the job then don't work for a freaking private religious college.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2017 11:39:32 GMT -5
They were fired because their actions did not reflect well on the college and seminary. IMO it had nothing to do with perceived privilege, black, white, polka-dotted or otherwise. This is a small college, under 2000 students, roughly between South Bend Indiana and Fort Wayne Indiana. If this is the case, why does the president prattle on about "policies and training at Grace related to diversity and inclusion” and ensuring “people of all backgrounds are treated with respect and feel welcomed on our campus”? This is "were sorry, snowflakes" prattle. Why not "The material depicted is inconsistent with our values as a Christian college. We abhor violence and gangsterism."? You might be assuming he is qualified for his position. I'm constantly amazed how far some can get for being politically correct.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jun 29, 2017 12:02:24 GMT -5
If this is the case, why does the president prattle on about "policies and training at Grace related to diversity and inclusion” and ensuring “people of all backgrounds are treated with respect and feel welcomed on our campus”? This is "were sorry, snowflakes" prattle. Why not "The material depicted is inconsistent with our values as a Christian college. We abhor violence and gangsterism."? You might be assuming he is qualified for his position. I'm constantly amazed how far some can get for being politically correct. Whether he's unqualified, his judgment lapsed, or he's simply terrified of the repercussions of acting reasonably (which is becoming more hazardous by the month) isn't altogether relevant. All indications are that the college acted harshly because the rap parody offended racial sensibilities, not because it was a breach of school decorum. While the parody probably does constitute a breach of decorum, it's an ancillary issue.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2017 20:50:29 GMT -5
They were fired because of complaints. Those complaints asserted that it didn't reflect on the college well. Absent any complaints there would have been no action. And because of people like Ice T and Ice Cube and Run DMC and Snoop Dogg and other black rappers (nothing against any of them, they are just all well known rappers, and all of them are black), no one would have criticized black rapper parody by black individuals. It would have been perceived as acceptable "because blacks are the ones that are predominantly rappers". I do appreciate your opinion though, I just believe it to be incorrect. Having worked for a private college/seminary I disagree with you. Rap lyrics in general pretty much go against everything that they preach. Implying that is the atmosphere of the college campus would get you terminated. These colleges are trying to attract parents with wholesome Christian values who want their children to attend a school that represents wholesome Christian values. Rap pretty much flies in the face of that. There is also the implied threat of violence with the guy holding his fingers to his head. Silly to you? Possibly. Silly to the people who hold the values the college is supposed to represent? Not so much. I had a morality clause included in my employment when I worked for Creighton. My employment hinged on representing the values of the Jesuit community. This promo would have been a big middle finger in their face. Part of being in PR is knowing your audience. Your audience is not the students, your audience is the parents who will be looking at sending their kids there. Your audience is the alumni and other benefactors who bring money to the university which in the case of a private institution is pretty much your sole income stream because you cannot accept state funds if you want to remain private. People who attend small religious colleges and seminaries are not the type of people who are going to think your rap parody is cool. Then I've said it before in other threads with a similar theme the whole point of being a private college is that you can do as you please. They had every right to terminate these people. If you don't want to have to constantly think about "what would Jesus do" while on the job then don't work for a freaking private religious college. You missed the point of the event. It was to "dress as a rap artist". so saying "rap is against Christian values" kind of misses the point (and isn't exactly true... more on that later). Maybe the bonehead that came up with the "let's dress like rappers" idea should have thought about it first. Regarding "rap pretty much flies in the face of that"... LOL. I had a kid working for me when I ran a theater in the late 80's early 90's that was working on starting up a rap-band called "The Jesus Jamsters"... I don't know if this is the same group, but here's a video from a group with that name... None of it seems to me to "[fly] in the face of that":
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