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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jun 4, 2017 6:31:40 GMT -5
Why wouldn't I? Our side slaughters more innocents in a month than they do in a decade. You and I have different ideas on how to count apparently. I'm out. If you are going to journey into fantasyland with terrorists, I can't follow you. NYT puts the number of deaths from ISIS attacks and ISIS-inspired attacks since the group's emergence at roughly 1,200: www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/03/25/world/map-isis-attacks-around-the-world.html?_r=0This past March, US airstrikes razed a neighbourhood in Mosul and killed 1,000 or more Syrians huddled in basements to escape the fighting: www.democracynow.org/2017/3/27/more_than_1_000_civilians_killedHence to be perfectly accurate, I should say "our side slaughters as many innocents in a month as they have since they emerged".
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2017 19:29:53 GMT -5
Everything in the quoted post is ignored and assumed to be irrelevant. I'm out. If you are going to journey into fantasyland with terrorists, I can't follow you.ETA: I only re-opened this thread because apparently you missed the bolded.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jun 4, 2017 19:57:31 GMT -5
I'm out. If you are going to journey into fantasyland with terrorists, I can't follow you. I understand. Pulling your head out from under all that sand... you wouldn't have an ounce of energy left.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2017 20:48:55 GMT -5
I'm out. If you are going to journey into fantasyland with terrorists, I can't follow you. I understand. Pulling your head out from under all that sand... you wouldn't have an ounce of energy left. Everything in the quoted post is ignored and assumed to be irrelevant. I'm out. If you are going to journey into fantasyland with terrorists, I can't follow you.
What part of "I'm out" are you having trouble with? (that's rhetorical... by the way. I'm not reading anything you post on this thread anymore... just acknowledging that I've seen that you quoted me)
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jun 5, 2017 7:37:30 GMT -5
I understand. Pulling your head out from under all that sand... you wouldn't have an ounce of energy left. Everything in the quoted post is ignored and assumed to be irrelevant. I'm out. If you are going to journey into fantasyland with terrorists, I can't follow you.
What part of "I'm out" are you having trouble with? (that's rhetorical... by the way. I'm not reading anything you post on this thread anymore... just acknowledging that I've seen that you quoted me) You're obviously still reading what I write, sir. But I'll tell you what: don't reply to this post and we can both agree you didn't read it.
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Post by Value Buy on Jun 5, 2017 9:47:23 GMT -5
Look up women in Iran in the 1970s before we started wrecking havok. reeking Havoc? Release the dogs of war! I assume you are referencing leadership under the Shah of Iran who was overthrown by the Islamic religious leaders of the country. Yes, many women were very westernized and held very important jobs in the business world. The U.S. was responsible for propping the Shah in position for years past what the country wanted, but is also responsible for the women being in strong position and well educated. Now, who is responsible for putting them "back in their place in Islamic society"
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2017 9:50:23 GMT -5
Our overthrow of their democracy in the 50s was a godsend was it?
You are right though, I made it sound like we started interfering in the 1970s, not that our interference came to a head in the 1970s... although our continued fueling of an Iraq Iran war at that point didn't help either... we've been fucking with them pretty much for forever actually I guess...
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Post by hoops902 on Jun 5, 2017 11:54:59 GMT -5
Our overthrow of their democracy in the 50s was a godsend was it? You are right though, I made it sound like we started interfering in the 1970s, not that our interference came to a head in the 1970s... although our continued fueling of an Iraq Iran war at that point didn't help either... we've been fucking with them pretty much for forever actually I guess... Right, and that's where I think some of the arguments of "If they'd stop attacking us, we'd leave them alone" fall short. No, we wouldn't. We aren't bombing them because they attacked us...we're bombing/fighting/attacking them because that's what "we" do. We interfere (right or wrong). If they stopped attacking us, it would make our interference a lot more hassle-free...but it wouldn't mean we'd leave them alone ("them" can be just about anyone in the world for this reference).
The real argument there is "If they'd just let us do what we want with their country and their resources...we'd stop attacking them". That's not exactly the kind of even trade of "stop attacking us and we'll leave you alone" type of truce.
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Post by mmhmm on Jun 5, 2017 15:40:58 GMT -5
Look up women in Iran in the 1970s before we started wrecking havok. reeking Havoc? Release the dogs of war! I assume you are referencing leadership under the Shah of Iran who was overthrown by the Islamic religious leaders of the country. Yes, many women were very westernized and held very important jobs in the business world. The U.S. was responsible for propping the Shah in position for years past what the country wanted, but is also responsible for the women being in strong position and well educated. Now, who is responsible for putting them "back in their place in Islamic society" If you're going to start a post by correcting someone else's spelling, VB, please be sure your spelling is correct before you hit that Create Post button. To wreck: To destroy To reek: To stink To wreak: To cause/create The word you're looking for is "wreaking". Now, can we get over the need to correct others by showing them the wrong way to spell something, please?
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Post by Value Buy on Jun 5, 2017 15:49:32 GMT -5
Our overthrow of their democracy in the 50s was a godsend was it? You are right though, I made it sound like we started interfering in the 1970s, not that our interference came to a head in the 1970s... although our continued fueling of an Iraq Iran war at that point didn't help either... we've been fucking with them pretty much for forever actually I guess... Damn, I thought I gave a good argument from your statement and now I was two decades late. (I am not claiming you moved the goal posts) I do not know enough about the fifties action in Iran, although I do vaguely remember we might have been responsible for his taking over in a coup from the King at the time......... Regardless, women in 1970's Iran were very western European in dress standards and maybe even ahead of women in Europe in some fields of work. Myself, I believe, like Vietnam and earlier, the cold war effort, America was left with the mess in the ME from years of tampering by Britain and France. We should have left it alone and let the locals figure it out. Then again, isn't today's rhetoric,Trump wants America first and withdraw from countries and stop interfering that has the liberals in a tizzy today?
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Post by dondub on Jun 5, 2017 15:59:19 GMT -5
Yes, VB, there was a coup. Mossadegh(sp) was going to nationalize Iran's oil. The Brits and Yanks just couldn't stomach that proposition.
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Post by Value Buy on Jun 5, 2017 16:06:27 GMT -5
Yes, VB, there was a coup. Mossadegh(sp) was going to nationalize Iran's oil. The Brits and Yanks just couldn't stomach that proposition. Was this before or after Saudi Arabia nationalized the oil fields? Just wondering if the Saudi's did it first, then we decided nationalization that we did not control had to stop.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jun 5, 2017 16:21:37 GMT -5
Look up women in Iran in the 1970s before we started wrecking havok. reeking Havoc? Release the dogs of war! I assume you are referencing leadership under the Shah of Iran who was overthrown by the Islamic religious leaders of the country. Yes, many women were very westernized and held very important jobs in the business world. The U.S. was responsible for propping the Shah in position for years past what the country wanted, but is also responsible for the women being in strong position and well educated. Now, who is responsible for putting them "back in their place in Islamic society" If you are going to play English teacher, you better be correct. It's 'wreaking havoc' and not 'reeking havoc'.
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Post by Value Buy on Jun 5, 2017 16:26:21 GMT -5
reeking Havoc? Release the dogs of war! I assume you are referencing leadership under the Shah of Iran who was overthrown by the Islamic religious leaders of the country. Yes, many women were very westernized and held very important jobs in the business world. The U.S. was responsible for propping the Shah in position for years past what the country wanted, but is also responsible for the women being in strong position and well educated. Now, who is responsible for putting them "back in their place in Islamic society" If you are going to play English teacher, you better be correct. It's 'wreaking havoc' and not 'reeking havoc'. Now you are just piling on. In case you missed it, mmhmm already publicly spanked me (correctly so) (I think I have a stalker)
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2017 16:40:40 GMT -5
Maybe you just have a sticker?
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Jun 5, 2017 17:30:02 GMT -5
reeking Havoc? Release the dogs of war! I assume you are referencing leadership under the Shah of Iran who was overthrown by the Islamic religious leaders of the country. Yes, many women were very westernized and held very important jobs in the business world. The U.S. was responsible for propping the Shah in position for years past what the country wanted, but is also responsible for the women being in strong position and well educated. Now, who is responsible for putting them "back in their place in Islamic society" If you're going to start a post by correcting someone else's spelling, VB, please be sure your spelling is correct before you hit that Create Post button. To wreck: To destroy To reek: To stink To wreak: To cause/create The word you're looking for is "wreaking". Now, can we get over the need to correct others by showing them the wrong way to spell something, please? A+ 😀
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2017 19:19:19 GMT -5
Everything in the quoted post is ignored and assumed to be irrelevant. I'm out. If you are going to journey into fantasyland with terrorists, I can't follow you.
What part of "I'm out" are you having trouble with? (that's rhetorical... by the way. I'm not reading anything you post on this thread anymore... just acknowledging that I've seen that you quoted me) You're obviously still reading what I write, sir. But I'll tell you what: don't reply to this post and we can both agree you didn't read it. Everything in the quoted post is ignored and assumed to be irrelevant. I'm out. If you are going to journey into fantasyland with terrorists, I can't follow you.
It's really NOT a difficult sentence to comprehend... I swear.
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Post by dondub on Jun 5, 2017 22:49:02 GMT -5
Nor was the last sentence of Virgil's last post.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Sept 12, 2018 11:07:46 GMT -5
Update Sept 12, 2018
My apologies in advance for posting and running, but I came across this refreshing sliver of candid truth (an interview on MSNBC, no less) and immediately thought of billisonboard , deminmaine , Spellbound454 , and our discussion in this thread. Mr. Sachs describes the Syrian situation appositely in 2.5 minutes.
URL: https://twitter.com/MarkWeisbrot/status/984525820621357056/video/1
7 years, 500K dead, 10M displaced, and counting. And as Mr. Sachs says, it's not a partisan issue. It's an issue where all Americans should unite. Best wishes to all. - Virgil
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