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Post by thyme4change on May 6, 2017 14:59:17 GMT -5
"You know you are all proving Ivanka right don't you? Instead of following her shining example you're all on here tearing her down. You are all just jealous that do you do not have half the drive and success she does. The only reason this upsets you is because you are all liberals who hate anything to do with Trump."
The above post by NOMOREDRAMAQ is exactly right. This thread is nothing more than political bias with a little woman bashing by fellow women thrown in. If this was Michelle Obama or Hilllary Clinton you would be GUSHING over her success, how she was the smartest woman in the world, etc, etc. When in truth both of them, have never achieved anything in their lives (after attending law school). It was all handed to them on a silver platter, legally or illegally. Chelsea Clinton is a perfect example. Basically an IDIOT. Given jobs at way higher pay than others around her that actually work and earned their position (like her broadcasting job). Receiving PHONY awards that the politically connected give themselves to beef up their resume. Living off her parents political connections and semi-criminal foundation. ETC, etc, etc. As usual.....last post on this thread....not interested in further interaction on this thread, so have at it LADIES.  It takes a village was universally panned and mocked by many. |
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Post by MJ2.0 on May 6, 2017 15:18:45 GMT -5
Well, Wednesday I got some great advice from a VP in my field and today I joined 3 networking meetups. Thanks Ivanka!  |
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Post by Opti on May 6, 2017 16:13:24 GMT -5
You know you are all proving Ivanka right don't you? Instead of following her shining example you're all on here tearing her down. You are all just jealous that do you do not have half the drive and success she does. The only reason this upsets you is because you are all liberals who hate anything to do with Trump. Now discuss.  I will point out,,,,, Just because you may have money, Does not mean you are happy!! Even if you were to make a lot of money, If you were unhappy before you made the money, you will still be unhappy after! Some of the happiest people I know, don't have a dime, Some of the meanest that I know have the most money! I'll bet a dime, that those happiest types do have more than a dime and are not on the street corner wearing their only clothes begging for food. There's a big difference between scraping by or just enough versus literally no money.
MHO.
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Post by Opti on May 6, 2017 16:31:54 GMT -5
"You know you are all proving Ivanka right don't you? Instead of following her shining example you're all on here tearing her down. You are all just jealous that do you do not have half the drive and success she does. The only reason this upsets you is because you are all liberals who hate anything to do with Trump."
The above post by NOMOREDRAMAQ is exactly right. This thread is nothing more than political bias with a little woman bashing by fellow women thrown in. If this was Michelle Obama or Hilllary Clinton you would be GUSHING over her success, how she was the smartest woman in the world, etc, etc. When in truth both of them, have never achieved anything in their lives (after attending law school). It was all handed to them on a silver platter, legally or illegally. Chelsea Clinton is a perfect example. Basically an IDIOT. Given jobs at way higher pay than others around her that actually work and earned their position (like her broadcasting job). Receiving PHONY awards that the politically connected give themselves to beef up their resume. Living off her parents political connections and semi-criminal foundation. ETC, etc, etc. As usual.....last post on this thread....not interested in further interaction on this thread, so have at it LADIES. If its a bad book or simply a derivative mashup I personally will feel the same no matter who wrote it. Some books are so badly written (50 shades) or so useless I read only a little and back to the library they go. I do agree that those who come from rich and well connected families get jobs and other things simply because of their connection versus any native exceptional talent. I don't agree I would love this book if Michelle or Hillary wrote it. Your bias is showing. No one ever on this board has written that Michelle or Hillary is the smartest woman in the world.
I totally disagree with you on Hillary and Michelle having everything handed to them after their law degree. My guess is simply because they are women married to men who became President you assume any and all of their achievements were because of them, not themselves.
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During her postgraduate study, Rodham served as staff attorney for Edelman's newly founded Children's Defense Fund in Cambridge, Massachusetts,[64] and as a consultant to the Carnegie Council on Children.[65] In 1974 she was a member of the impeachment inquiry staff in Washington, D.C., advising the House Committee on the Judiciary during the Watergate scandal.[66] Under the guidance of Chief Counsel John Doar and senior member Bernard W. Nussbaum,[47] Rodham helped research procedures of impeachment and the historical grounds and standards for impeachment.[66] The committee's work culminated in the resignation of President Richard Nixon in August 1974.[66]
By then, Rodham was viewed as someone with a bright political future. Democratic political organizer and consultant Betsey Wright had moved from Texas to Washington the previous year to help guide Rodham's career.[67] Wright thought she had the potential to become a future senator or president.[68
August 1974, Rodham moved to Fayetteville, Arkansas, and became one of only two female faculty members in the School of Law at the University of Arkansas, Fayetteville (Bill did not become governor until 1978)
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In 1996, Obama served as the Associate Dean of Student Services at the University of Chicago, where she developed the University's Community Service Center.[78] In 2002, she began working for the University of Chicago Hospitals, first as executive director for community affairs and, beginning May 2005, as Vice President for Community and External Affairs.[79]
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Post by Opti on May 6, 2017 16:33:27 GMT -5
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Post by NastyWoman on May 6, 2017 20:54:26 GMT -5
Chelsea Clinton is a perfect example. Basically an IDIOT. Given jobs at way higher pay than others around her that actually work and earned their position (like her broadcasting job). Receiving PHONY awards that the politically connected give themselves to beef up their resume. Living off her parents political connections and semi-criminal foundation. ETC, etc, etc. As usual.....last post on this thread....not interested in further interaction on this thread, so have at it LADIES. Yeah, basically an idiot. Only one with an undergrad from Stanford, master degrees from Columbia University and Oxford, and just for good measure a PhD from Oxford thrown into the mix. Some idiot in need of "PHONY" awards, etc., etc., etc. A little bit of your political bias slipping in here perhaps?  |
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Post by OldCoyote on May 7, 2017 10:40:03 GMT -5
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Post by OldCoyote on May 7, 2017 10:48:14 GMT -5
I will point out,,,,, Just because you may have money, Does not mean you are happy!! Even if you were to make a lot of money, If you were unhappy before you made the money, you will still be unhappy after! Some of the happiest people I know, don't have a dime, Some of the meanest that I know have the most money! I'll bet a dime, that those happiest types do have more than a dime and are not on the street corner wearing their only clothes begging for food. There's a big difference between scraping by or just enough versus literally no money.
MHO.
One of the happiest people I know is my Grandson, He has a BA degree from ASU, has no job, has no money, lives with Mom and Dad. On the other hand he has a tough meanass grumpy Grandfather that has some money! |
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on May 7, 2017 10:57:53 GMT -5
Nope. Personally, I don't give a fat rat's ass as to what the rich do with their money. What I DO give a fat rat's ass about is when they write a book telling the world how anyone can do it because they did, without acknowledging and taking into consideration that they are working from a position that 99.9% of the public is not. I felt the same way when Oprah wrote a book telling how she lost all that weight the second time (around the time she ran a marathon). I borrowed the book from the library, and read it incredulously because she had the money to hire a full time chef and a personal trainer....two huge advantages. www.amazon.com/Make-Connection-Steps-Better-Body/dp/0786882980 |
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Post by OldCoyote on May 7, 2017 11:11:12 GMT -5
Naaa, he will be TMZ next week claiming his innocents!!
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Post by Opti on May 7, 2017 18:51:42 GMT -5
I'll bet a dime, that those happiest types do have more than a dime and are not on the street corner wearing their only clothes begging for food. There's a big difference between scraping by or just enough versus literally no money.
MHO.
One of the happiest people I know is my Grandson, He has a BA degree from ASU, has no job, has no money, lives with Mom and Dad. On the other hand he has a tough meanass grumpy Grandfather that has some money! Perhaps his happiness has little do with the money he earns and more to do with the fact he is provided for and has few responsibilities. |
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Post by formerroomate99 on May 7, 2017 20:51:22 GMT -5
On the one had, someone who is from a different world than you isn't going to understand what you're going through or how to overcome the particular obstacles you have to deal with. On the other hand, there are certain behaviors that lead to success, and successful people tend to teach their children those behaviors. So learning some of those behaviors is handy. I would definitely take the advice of someone who is first generation successful over someone who is 3rd generation successful though.
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Post by HoneyBBQ on May 8, 2017 10:14:33 GMT -5
I have zero qualms with Ivanka Trump and what she has accomplished. I agree that many of her peers are probably not as successful as she is. I just think if you want to give advice to regular women, you need to keep in mind what regular women have access to. Reading this synopsis, I think, ahhh Lean In part 2! This is exactly how out of touch sheryl sandberg was with her book. This is all ridiculous survivor bias. |
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Post by MJ2.0 on May 8, 2017 11:04:13 GMT -5
I'm gonna go out on a limb here and assume that neither of these women actually wrote a substantial portion of their books. I assume they had ghost writers and such. There are so many well-written success/self-help books out there that are written so that they appeal to the average person - surely the people helping them with their books could have steered them in that direction. To me, it seems they didn't want to appeal to the masses - they just wanted to reach a certain type of audience.
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Post by emma1420 on May 8, 2017 12:50:06 GMT -5
I think even her advice which seemed reasonable on the surface like "marry the right person" showed a considerable bit of privilege. You have to have a good amount of social capital to demand a certain kind of partner. OTOH she was writing for a specific audience. I think that they were probably written for similar audiences. College educated middle and upper middle class women. I liked a lot of Lean In, but it was tone deaf. And Sandberg never acknowledged in that book that she got some opportunities that many people couldn't even dream of getting. I mean Larry Summers as a mentor? That isn't your every day mentor. But, I also felt that she made several excellent larger points. I like her second book Option B better, because she addresses the criticism of Lean In, and admits that those criticism were valid. |
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Post by formerroomate99 on May 8, 2017 14:07:24 GMT -5
I think even her advice which seemed reasonable on the surface like "marry the right person" showed a considerable bit of privilege. You have to have a good amount of social capital to demand a certain kind of partner. OTOH she was writing for a specific audience. You've got a point. On the other hand, it's pretty common for young women to spend so much time and energy making sure they always have a guy around, that they have no time or energy to figure out what they want out of life, what's important, or make anything of themselves. If you want to attract a better class of men, you need to be a better class of woman, and that takes work. You also have to be willing to decide what is important. Sheryl Sandberg's husband wasn't particularly good looking or cool, but he was willing take on a lot of the household tasks so that she could have her career. I'll take an average looking guy who has my back over a gorgeous asshole/parasite any day. |
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