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Post by Miss Tequila on Apr 20, 2017 11:13:24 GMT -5
I think I get out of bed and go to work every day out of sheer habit and routine. If I won the lottery and didn't have to work any more, I would have a really hard time re-defining myself. I suspect that transition would be tough for me. I would probably need counseling. I feel so weird. Maybe it would be rough on a lot of people - as having a purpose is important - but they just don't think that it would be a bad thing to suddenly have to never work again to have a life of luxury. I've reached a career stage where even if I won 8 figures, I wouldn't quit working. It's a strange realization. I'm on the cusp of making contributions to my field, perhaps even on an international level. Given the nature of my field and the interaction between the academic and the application, I need to have a job in the field to continue to do this kind of work. While I am still striving for financial freedom, actual retirement is not something I'm really impatient for. Dictating the terms of my work engagement with more options certainly. I've also shifted my focus from organizational advancement to academic contributions. At least for a few years. I actually have a C.V. right now and I am more concerned with adding publications and presentations than job titles. So - I have a mountain of motivation that has nothing to do with money, and I can consider a lot more options when I choose to begin to wind down. I am so happy that you found something you love. And jealous that I do not have the same love of my career. I am here for the money and nothing else. My goal is to find something that makes me feel like I am contributing to society in a meaningful way. Something that I'm excited to do each day. Now I hate each day...except payday
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Post by ners on Apr 20, 2017 11:18:27 GMT -5
Fear
Fear that I will become unemployed which may lead to bigger issues.
I have many days where I do not feel like going to work and then I think the alternative (no money) is worse.
There are times I have to step back and realize I cannot keep up with the Jones but I have it pretty good.
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Apr 20, 2017 13:16:44 GMT -5
I've reached a career stage where even if I won 8 figures, I wouldn't quit working. It's a strange realization. I'm on the cusp of making contributions to my field, perhaps even on an international level. Given the nature of my field and the interaction between the academic and the application, I need to have a job in the field to continue to do this kind of work. While I am still striving for financial freedom, actual retirement is not something I'm really impatient for. Dictating the terms of my work engagement with more options certainly. I've also shifted my focus from organizational advancement to academic contributions. At least for a few years. I actually have a C.V. right now and I am more concerned with adding publications and presentations than job titles. So - I have a mountain of motivation that has nothing to do with money, and I can consider a lot more options when I choose to begin to wind down. I am so happy that you found something you love. And jealous that I do not have the same love of my career. I am here for the money and nothing else. My goal is to find something that makes me feel like I am contributing to society in a meaningful way. Something that I'm excited to do each day. Now I hate each day...except payday Thanks miss t! I hope you find it!
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Post by Chocolate Lover on Apr 20, 2017 14:38:18 GMT -5
I joke that I only get up because the kids have to go to school and I don't want to go to jail if they miss too many days. They are mostly self starting now, so the need to pee gets me up. I have never ever liked getting up early, period, and I never will. I get up and go to work because I like food and living indoors. It helps to not hate my job/coworkers too.
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Post by swamp on Apr 20, 2017 14:41:54 GMT -5
Guilt.
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Post by emma1420 on Apr 20, 2017 15:18:17 GMT -5
For me it's routine. Although it does help that I like many of my co-workers, and I find the work reasonably interesting.
I've found that things usually aren't as bad when I'm in them, than when I'm anticipating them, and that I typically don't regret it if I just get up and go for it.
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Post by Rob Base 2.0 on Apr 20, 2017 15:39:18 GMT -5
Initially it was fear they could Court Martial me, because I was in the military. And I knew if I sucked it up for 20 years, I would get a pension and health care.
Now that I am "retired" from the military (I axially did 22 years), I do it because I have a "plan" to be able to escape the rat race in 5 to 7 years.
That's what you have to ask yourself, "what do you want?" and "what are you willing to do to get there?"
The one thing for sure, doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results is insanity (Einstein).
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Post by movingforward on Apr 20, 2017 18:04:43 GMT -5
Like I stated before, I like my job and know I am lucky. I am also "sort of" a morning person so that helps too. I will say though that the older I get the less I feel like putting in major hours. In general, I work 36 - 37 hours a week (with the exception of 4-6 weeks), and that is even starting to wear me down a bit. I am only in my mid 40's so it kind of baffles me that my boss, who will be 66 in September, doesn't want to slow down. She absolutely lives for the job, I guess.
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Post by tallguy on Apr 20, 2017 19:05:24 GMT -5
No, it wasn't. People like to say it was because it makes them sound smart, and then after a lot of people say it it just gets accepted. It's not true.
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Post by Rob Base 2.0 on Apr 20, 2017 19:34:01 GMT -5
What's not true- the axial statement or that Einstein said it?
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Post by tallguy on Apr 20, 2017 19:40:56 GMT -5
It's a terrible definition to begin with, but there is no evidence at all that Einstein ever said it. It has also been attributed to others with no evidence to support those contentions either. One thing that IS for sure.... If Einstein ever DID say anything like that it would be one of the dumbest things a really smart person ever said.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2017 2:46:43 GMT -5
Money and a pretty good life because of the money. I'm not motivated to get up in the morning so I work 2nd shift. The alarm clock immediately puts me in a pissy mood and I'm pretty sure I would miss more work if I had to use one. I did the morning school and night work routine when I was young. Hated it but continued so I could make more money and be lazier now and it worked and I am.
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Post by Rob Base 2.0 on Apr 21, 2017 6:43:41 GMT -5
I think it is a good definition for one of the many meanings of insanity.
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Post by movingforward on Apr 21, 2017 8:58:47 GMT -5
It's a terrible definition to begin with, but there is no evidence at all that Einstein ever said it. It has also been attributed to others with no evidence to support those contentions either. One thing that IS for sure.... If Einstein ever DID say anything like that it would be one of the dumbest things a really smart person ever said. I always thought the saying was doing the same thing over and over, while expecting different results (or something like that) was the definition of insanity. That makes a lot more sense and has a whole different meaning to me. I agree with you that doing the same thing over again each day does not equal insanity for most people.
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Post by tallguy on Apr 21, 2017 9:27:46 GMT -5
It's a terrible definition to begin with, but there is no evidence at all that Einstein ever said it. It has also been attributed to others with no evidence to support those contentions either. One thing that IS for sure.... If Einstein ever DID say anything like that it would be one of the dumbest things a really smart person ever said. I always thought the saying was doing the same thing over and over, while expecting different results (or something like that) was the definition of insanity. That makes a lot more sense and has a whole different meaning to me. I agree with you that doing the same thing over again each day does not equal insanity for most people. Yes, but even with that it would have to be qualified on so many levels. You would have to do exactly the same thing, in exactly the same way, under exactly the same conditions every time in order to have any validity. In addition, if you interacted with even one other person during the course of the action it introduces another whole host of variables. Any of a hundred variables, many or most of which cannot be controlled, could affect the outcome so of course you will get different results. It is simplistic to think otherwise. People who try to infuse this saying with ANY validity are trying to argue from the very, very specific to the very, very general. It doesn't work. It's a sound bite, and a stupid one.
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Post by Rob Base 2.0 on Apr 21, 2017 9:41:46 GMT -5
"I always thought the saying was doing the same thing over and over, while expecting different results (or something like that) was the definition of insanity......"
and here's what I said above: "The one thing for sure, doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results is insanity (Einstein)."
how is that not the same thing as what you said?
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Post by Rob Base 2.0 on Apr 21, 2017 9:43:23 GMT -5
Like all general rules, there are exceptions. Picky picky.
So do the same thing over and over and expecting different results is rational?
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Post by Lizard Queen on Apr 21, 2017 9:44:46 GMT -5
It's a terrible definition to begin with, but there is no evidence at all that Einstein ever said it. It has also been attributed to others with no evidence to support those contentions either. One thing that IS for sure.... If Einstein ever DID say anything like that it would be one of the dumbest things a really smart person ever said. I never thought that closely about it, but you're right. Thinking about erosion, it happens so gradually that you don't even notice, until one day, a huge landmark falls off the side of the cliff, or into the ocean, or whatever. Sometimes people also keep pounding away at something until something clicks, and the pieces fall into place. Or they keep trudging along working and saving their money, until one day they're financially independent. So effectively, they had to keep working in order to keep living, and then they suddenly didn't.
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Post by tallguy on Apr 21, 2017 9:53:14 GMT -5
Like all general rules, there are exceptions. Picky picky.
So do the same thing over and over and expecting different results is rational? No, but failing to take the reality of human inconsistencies into account is irrational.
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Post by Rob Base 2.0 on Apr 21, 2017 9:54:30 GMT -5
Like all general rules, there are exceptions. Picky picky.
So do the same thing over and over and expecting different results is rational? No, but failing to take the reality of human inconsistencies into account is irrational.
whatevs dude.
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Post by tallguy on Apr 21, 2017 10:02:51 GMT -5
No, but failing to take the reality of human inconsistencies into account is irrational.
whatevs dude.
You know, spending more of your time on creative thinking rather than creative spelling may be helpful. Just an observation.
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Post by MJ2.0 on Apr 21, 2017 10:15:53 GMT -5
shanendoah, you are probably right about me. Right now I'm so jaded on the job search process. It feels like everything leads to failure (because nothing has come up so far) so it's hard to put 100% effort into every application. Add into the mix that unless I want to give up custody of DS, I can't leave the area for a job opportunity. I already know there is NO WAY X would let me take DS with me. It's starting to really wear me down. I have no real support system here. I do have a close friend in north Jersey, but he is down south visiting relatives all week and has been unavailable. He suffered an unexpected job loss 2 weeks ago, but he also lives with his mother and has no dependents (so very few large, fixed expenses). He was upset, but he was being treated pretty unfairly there despite putting in 70+ hour weeks. We have supported each other emotionally a lot over the past few months. I definitely need some support this week but have none. No family in-state, and no other close friends here. The only times I feel "motivated" are when DS is around because there is no way I can sit around and do nothing. And last night he wrote for his school journal that he is lucky because he has "the best mom ever". That helps a little.
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Post by movingforward on Apr 21, 2017 10:19:58 GMT -5
"I always thought the saying was doing the same thing over and over, while expecting different results (or something like that) was the definition of insanity......"
and here's what I said above: "The one thing for sure, doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results is insanity (Einstein)."
how is that not the same thing as what you said?
Oops! Sorry, you did say that...somehow I missed the last part. At any rate, like you, I just think of this as a general statement. For example, someone who picks the same "type" of spouse/partner over and over yet complains about how it all turns out...
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Post by MJ2.0 on Apr 21, 2017 10:23:18 GMT -5
today there is a work lunch at a restaurant I like for someone's work anniversary. I already RSVPed to say I was going but I really REALLY don't want to go. Despite having been here for over 8.5 years and being relatively outgoing/friendly, I still feel like sort of an outcast and I really don't like these social outings anymore.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Apr 21, 2017 10:27:51 GMT -5
"I always thought the saying was doing the same thing over and over, while expecting different results (or something like that) was the definition of insanity......"
and here's what I said above: "The one thing for sure, doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results is insanity (Einstein)."
how is that not the same thing as what you said?
Oops! Sorry, you did say that...somehow I missed the last part. At any rate, like you, I just think of this as a general statement. For example, someone who picks the same "type" of spouse/partner over and over yet complains about how it all turns out... I agree with this. I know many people who do the same thing over and over and then complain about the same results. I want to bang my head against the wall
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Post by Rob Base 2.0 on Apr 21, 2017 10:29:03 GMT -5
whatevs dude.
You know, spending more of your time on creative thinking rather than creative spelling may be helpful. Just an observation. eye nose
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Post by giramomma on Apr 21, 2017 10:36:00 GMT -5
today there is a work lunch at a restaurant I like for someone's work anniversary. I already RSVPed to say I was going but I really REALLY don't want to go. Despite having been here for over 8.5 years and being relatively outgoing/friendly, I still feel like sort of an outcast and I really don't like these social outings anymore. I get it. I only now go for baby shower/wedding shower type lunches. The holiday party, I usually skip. For exactly that reason. I've got some weird dynamics on my immediate team. And, this is why I need to leave my job
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Post by tallguy on Apr 21, 2017 10:42:58 GMT -5
You know, spending more of your time on creative thinking rather than creative spelling may be helpful. Just an observation. eye nose Ear nose (and throat) actually. Eyes are separate.
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Post by giramomma on Apr 21, 2017 10:46:13 GMT -5
I have no real support system here. I do have a close friend in north Jersey, but he is down south visiting relatives all week and has been unavailable. He suffered an unexpected job loss 2 weeks ago, but he also lives with his mother and has no dependents (so very few large, fixed expenses). He was upset, but he was being treated pretty unfairly there despite putting in 70+ hour weeks. We have supported each other emotionally a lot over the past few months. I definitely need some support this week but have none. No family in-state, and no other close friends here. I'm in a fairly close situation. This board really is my support system, and that's it. If/when DH and I divorce, I'll lose his family, which is my only in-person support system. Not having a IRL support system is fairly big motivator for me. Because I need to figure this shit out so that when the time comes, I'll be OK relying just on me. There really is no other choice.
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Post by Rob Base 2.0 on Apr 21, 2017 10:46:51 GMT -5
Ear nose (and throat) actually. Eyes are separate.
know, eyes usually come in pairs....not separate
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