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Post by chiver78 on Nov 7, 2016 15:19:09 GMT -5
I posted this two-week old link to my FB wall earlier today, with a general comment to stay safe tomorrow and not hesitate to ask for help if you're being harassed. I came back from a long meeting to see quite the argument, and I actually felt the need to ask all parties to take a step back and breathe. I'm hoping we might have a more civil discussion in here.... please? Trump supporters promising to intimidate non-white voters on Election DayI'm sorry, but this is exactly the sort of stuff that Trump has been promoting as acceptable all along. I challenge any Trump supporter on this board to explain why this is even remotely okay.
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Post by andi9899 on Nov 7, 2016 15:37:42 GMT -5
Glad I already voted, and not for Trump. I'm Mexican, so it won't be immediately obvious that I speak "American". Especially when English is my first language and not American. What a dumb ass.
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Nov 7, 2016 15:40:24 GMT -5
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Post by happyhoix on Nov 7, 2016 15:58:38 GMT -5
North Carolina GOP members bragging about a lower black voter turn out.
www.vox.com/identities/2016/11/7/13552832/north-carolina-republicans-black-turnout
“Look, if African Americans voted overwhelmingly Republican, they would have kept early voting right where it was,” Wrenn said. “It wasn’t about discriminating against African Americans. They just ended up in the middle of it because they vote Democrat.”
So - democrats supposedly cheating by having dead people vote = scandalous but the GOP fine tuning the voting rules to make it harder to certain groups to vote = a fine thing to do, and something worth bragging about. If the blacks want us to make it easier for them to vote, they just have to start voting GOP!
Voting Rights Act needs to have the teeth put back into it.
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Post by ken a.k.a OMK on Nov 7, 2016 16:04:11 GMT -5
Trump said the election was rigged and he's making sure it is in his favor. Voting right laws need to be enforced more now then ever.
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Post by happyhoix on Nov 7, 2016 17:06:18 GMT -5
A... I think it's up to the voter to know what the laws are in the state they intend to vote. B... The fliers had a link to the maine.gov website ( www.maine.gov/sos/cec/elec/voter-info/resident.html ) that clearly explains the laws and who is or isn't allowed to vote. The link clearly states what is required for students to vote. C...If you are not bright enough to independently verify information that you find on a flyer then I'm pretty sure that you (general you) shouldn't be trusted with a vote in the first place . Oh come on Sroo, that is disengenious isn't it? The flier wrote in BIG FLORID LETTERS that it would cost a bunch of money within thirty days if the student registered to vote. In tiny script near the bottom there was a link to a website. Which would have to be copied and inputted into a devise to get to it and read it. Now I'll grant you, that is not insurmountable by any means, but what do you suppose the purpose of the flyer, which boldly proclaimed this lie about cost, might have been? Was it to misinform for the heck of it, or was it to misinform and suppress the vote? The students, faculty and administration all believe it was voter suppression. Pretty much a no brainer. I'm guessing this little attempt to quash the young adult vote will backfire on them.
Might have worked in the pre-social media days, but no doubt every available social media app has been fired up and shot this info around the campus a good 3 or 4 hundred times by now.
Probably a 'middle aged' adult who thought this up, forgetting that twenty somethings live their lives on social media, may not always be serious but aren't stupid and they get surly when you poke them with a stick.
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Post by steff on Nov 7, 2016 17:12:19 GMT -5
I'm currently engaging in voter intimidation in my own house. Because my kiddo is engaging in voter suppression. He keeps wandering thru telling me random reasons why he won't be home until after the polls close tomorrow. He's my ride to go vote. He's trying to suppress my vote, so I'm playing my mom (woman) card and intimidating the hell (yeah right) out of him.
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Post by tallguy on Nov 7, 2016 17:13:59 GMT -5
I have argued in other threads that the definition of treason should be expanded. In those cases it was "defrauding the American public." I would argue that voter suppression is in the same vein. It is a conscious and willful attempt to subvert democracy, the American political system, equal rights for all, and the will of the people. Any such attempt to rend the political fabric of our nation should be dealt with as severely as possible. Forfeiting one's right to remain a part of that society seems appropriate.
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Post by Peace Of Mind on Nov 7, 2016 17:19:14 GMT -5
I have argued in other threads that the definition of treason should be expanded. In those cases it was "defrauding the American public." I would argue that voter suppression is in the same vein. It is a conscious and willful attempt to subvert democracy, the American political system, equal rights for all, and the will of the people. Any such attempt to rend the political fabric of our nation should be dealt with as severely as possible. Forfeiting one's right to remain a part of that society seems appropriate. Geez! Are you wanting all of politicians and many corporate heads in jail?! Talk about an increase in taxes!
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Post by steff on Nov 7, 2016 17:22:10 GMT -5
I have argued in other threads that the definition of treason should be expanded. In those cases it was "defrauding the American public." I would argue that voter suppression is in the same vein. It is a conscious and willful attempt to subvert democracy, the American political system, equal rights for all, and the will of the people. Any such attempt to rend the political fabric of our nation should be dealt with as severely as possible. Forfeiting one's right to remain a part of that society seems appropriate. Geez! Are you wanting all of politicians and many corporate heads in jail?! Talk about an increase in taxes! 2 places we can get LOTS of tax $$$. Tax churches & legalized pot. Just look at what Colorado has made in tax $$ since legalizing it.
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Post by tallguy on Nov 7, 2016 17:29:36 GMT -5
I have argued in other threads that the definition of treason should be expanded. In those cases it was "defrauding the American public." I would argue that voter suppression is in the same vein. It is a conscious and willful attempt to subvert democracy, the American political system, equal rights for all, and the will of the people. Any such attempt to rend the political fabric of our nation should be dealt with as severely as possible. Forfeiting one's right to remain a part of that society seems appropriate. Geez! Are you wanting all of politicians and many corporate heads in jail?! Talk about an increase in taxes! Who said anything about filling the jails? But yes, if that charge and penalty were what was required to get people to not act in ways that subvert our country, I'd go for it. In a heartbeat.
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Post by happyhoix on Nov 7, 2016 17:45:38 GMT -5
Geez! Are you wanting all of politicians and many corporate heads in jail?! Talk about an increase in taxes! 2 places we can get LOTS of tax $$$. Tax churches & legalized pot. Just look at what Colorado has made in tax $$ since legalizing it. Not to subvert this thread, but I saw an article where some doctors had studied pot legalization and are making a claim that it allows older workers to work longer because it dulls the usual aches and pains of age.
Therefore it's positive.
www.msn.com/en-us/money/careersandeducation/study-legal-weed-might-lure-retirees-back-to-the-workforce/ar-AAjU8My?li=BBnbfcL
Not sure how I think about that - although as someone who had approached the age where an afternoon spent weeding causing a lot of aches and pains, having the ability to eat a pot brownie for the aches might be a good thing, although I'm afraid that would make me want to eat the whole pan of brownies, which would be bad.
DH keeps telling me pot is a gateway drug - although it never inspired me to try anything harder, back in the stone ages when I indulged occasionally.
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Post by tallguy on Nov 7, 2016 17:48:02 GMT -5
There ARE other ways to ingest that would NOT be fattening.
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Post by happyhoix on Nov 7, 2016 17:52:48 GMT -5
There ARE other ways to ingest that would NOT be fattening. It isn't the way to ingest - it's how I feel after ingesting.
Munchies + loss of common sense = eating a whole pan of whatever happens to be in the fridge.
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Post by tallguy on Nov 7, 2016 17:57:29 GMT -5
There ARE other ways to ingest that would NOT be fattening. It isn't the way to ingest - it's how I feel after ingesting.
Munchies + loss of common sense = eating a whole pan of whatever happens to be in the fridge.
In addition to the whole pan of brownies?
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ken a.k.a OMK
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Post by ken a.k.a OMK on Nov 7, 2016 17:58:58 GMT -5
I had a job with a secret clearance, so no drugs. Although I could go out and have beer with lunch (but didn't).
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Post by dondub on Nov 7, 2016 19:00:52 GMT -5
Ratchets,
I was horrified that 2 Black Panthers stood out side that polling place.
How did you feel about the Hi-Tech Jim Crow in Florida 2000 that eliminated 90,000+ minority voters from the roles?
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Post by Shooby on Nov 7, 2016 20:50:29 GMT -5
The ones frauding the vote are Democrats. The ones engaging in "intimidation" have always been Democrats. Really getting sick of the LIES of the LEFT but whatever. Just pretend to ignore ACORN and the SEIU and the Black Panthers and the tactics during Obama's election. Uh huh. Same old play book of songs.
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Post by Shooby on Nov 7, 2016 21:03:32 GMT -5
Funny because the fix was in for Hillary over Bernie. But, yeah, ignore how the Democratic Primaries were frauded. But, Trump told his supporters to watch the Polls! Ooo OOO!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2016 21:09:01 GMT -5
Voter intimidation is wrong no matter what side is doing it. And I think it should be investigated and punished all the way up the ladder as far as the proof takes the investigation (unless it leads to a Clinton, of course... then there's nothing to see. Stop with an underling in that case).
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2016 21:11:01 GMT -5
I have argued in other threads that the definition of treason should be expanded. In those cases it was "defrauding the American public." I would argue that voter suppression is in the same vein. It is a conscious and willful attempt to subvert democracy, the American political system, equal rights for all, and the will of the people. Any such attempt to rend the political fabric of our nation should be dealt with as severely as possible. Forfeiting one's right to remain a part of that society seems appropriate. I kind of agree with that, but... as Peace Of Mind said... (paraphrased) wouldn't that kind of remove most if not all of our "elected officials" as well as a high percentage of corporate big-wigs?
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Post by rob base on Nov 7, 2016 21:11:32 GMT -5
I'm not a Trump supporter (I stopped after the tape thing), but I don't see where Trump asked for voter intimidation......that you all are reading something into what Trump says, because it's obviously a code according to y'all, I can't help you with that......if there are trouble at the polls people should report and maybe if its not Black Panthers intimidating people maybe someone will prosecute......
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Post by tallguy on Nov 7, 2016 21:16:35 GMT -5
I have argued in other threads that the definition of treason should be expanded. In those cases it was "defrauding the American public." I would argue that voter suppression is in the same vein. It is a conscious and willful attempt to subvert democracy, the American political system, equal rights for all, and the will of the people. Any such attempt to rend the political fabric of our nation should be dealt with as severely as possible. Forfeiting one's right to remain a part of that society seems appropriate. I kind of agree with that, but... as Peace Of Mind said... (paraphrased) wouldn't that kind of remove most if not all of our "elected officials" as well as a high percentage of corporate big-wigs? And your problem with that is...what, exactly? The real problem is that not enough things are taken seriously. If they were, and if our laws reflected that (and the punishment was assured) I would guess that behaviors would be a lot different than they are.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2016 21:19:30 GMT -5
I kind of agree with that, but... as Peace Of Mind said... (paraphrased) wouldn't that kind of remove most if not all of our "elected officials" as well as a high percentage of corporate big-wigs? And your problem with that is...what, exactly? The real problem is that not enough things are taken seriously. If they were, and if our laws reflected that (and the punishment was assured) I would guess that behaviors would be a lot different than they are. Well... someone would have to run the government while the members of the government were on trial... and then after they were sentenced.
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Post by tallguy on Nov 7, 2016 21:32:12 GMT -5
Well, I'd like to think that if the process were reformed we could come up with a few honest people to fill some spots....
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2016 21:39:23 GMT -5
Well, I'd like to think that if the process were reformed we could come up with a few honest people to fill some spots.... Ahhh... tallguy, tallguy, tallguy.... Ever the optimist.
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Post by chiver78 on Nov 7, 2016 21:40:28 GMT -5
I posted this two-week old link to my FB wall earlier today, with a general comment to stay safe tomorrow and not hesitate to ask for help if you're being harassed. I came back from a long meeting to see quite the argument, and I actually felt the need to ask all parties to take a step back and breathe. I'm hoping we might have a more civil discussion in here.... please? Trump supporters promising to intimidate non-white voters on Election DayI'm sorry, but this is exactly the sort of stuff that Trump has been promoting as acceptable all along. I challenge any Trump supporter on this board to explain why this is even remotely okay. My thoughts on voter intimidation? You're a hypocrite until you can denounce the voter intimidation during BHO's election too...I'll be waiting for your link to that post, but not holding my breath . honestly, I didn't see any. so can you give me a link to read about, so I can comment appropriately? please and thank you.
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Post by tallguy on Nov 7, 2016 21:46:21 GMT -5
Well, I'd like to think that if the process were reformed we could come up with a few honest people to fill some spots.... Ahhh... tallguy , tallguy , tallguy .... Ever the optimist. I didn't say we would find a lot of them. Notice the winky guy?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2016 21:54:13 GMT -5
I didn't say we would find a lot of them. Notice the winky guy? Yup. Noticed the winky guy. I think even in jest that was optimistic!
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Post by Shooby on Nov 8, 2016 7:03:57 GMT -5
Once we abandoned paper ballots, i knew this country was over. Hacking an election would be child's play. And, just because I click Trump doesn't mean it can't be changed internally at any point along the way. But, you all KNOW that Hillary is the most Corrupt person to ever run for office and yet you support her.
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