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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2016 17:51:55 GMT -5
I think the most I spent on one incident was about $1500, but that is in olde dollars, so I am sure same services would now be about $3000.
I'm not sure what magic I have in training, but I have taught my cats to play without their claws out. I am not a fan of declawing since that is like removing all your fingers at the first knuckle & that is too ouchy for me to contemplate. I am currently pet-sitting an adult adopted cat that did not have the "no claws during play" training & there has already been a problem with damage to my chill kittey. Not so happy with him about that, but not sure how you re-train a skittish adult cat that is all hiss & claws!!!!
Mich, maybe pet insurance is in order for the old guy?
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Jun 24, 2016 19:28:19 GMT -5
I think the most I spent on one incident was about $1500, but that is in olde dollars, so I am sure same services would now be about $3000. I'm not sure what magic I have in training, but I have taught my cats to play without their claws out. I am not a fan of declawing since that is like removing all your fingers at the first knuckle & that is too ouchy for me to contemplate. I am currently pet-sitting an adult adopted cat that did not have the "no claws during play" training & there has already been a problem with damage to my chill kittey. Not so happy with him about that, but not sure how you re-train a skittish adult cat that is all hiss & claws!!!! Mich, maybe pet insurance is in order for the old guy? Please don't make me feel guiltier than I already feel about declawing the cat. I know exactly what is involved, but the cat put out the dog's eye and I'm not about to risk his last eye.
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Post by taz157 on Jun 24, 2016 20:25:32 GMT -5
I think the most I spent on one incident was about $1500, but that is in olde dollars, so I am sure same services would now be about $3000. I'm not sure what magic I have in training, but I have taught my cats to play without their claws out. I am not a fan of declawing since that is like removing all your fingers at the first knuckle & that is too ouchy for me to contemplate. I am currently pet-sitting an adult adopted cat that did not have the "no claws during play" training & there has already been a problem with damage to my chill kittey. Not so happy with him about that, but not sure how you re-train a skittish adult cat that is all hiss & claws!!!! Mich, maybe pet insurance is in order for the old guy? Please don't make me feel guiltier than I already feel about declawing the cat. I know exactly what is involved, but the cat put out the dog's eye and I'm not about to risk his last eye. You won't get any guilt about declawing your cat due to what he did to your dog. I had 2 cats and I got both of them declawed. I knew exactly what was involved got into it too. IF I get another cat (and that's a big IF right now), I would still the cat declawed. I hope your dog is feel better after getting his eye taken out. FWIW, I agree with getting the eye removed too. ((((Hugs))))
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Jun 24, 2016 20:48:13 GMT -5
The dog is sacked out on the floor. He came home, peed,drank a lot, scarfed down some food and zonked out.
Im really pissed with the vet though. He charged me a little more than $200 for the surgery that we got a $700 quote for a few days ago. He only charged me for sedation, the balance was a couple of check ups last week and a $60 bag of kidney food. He said he felt bad that he couldn't save the mutt's eye. This is the second time he has not charged us, he did the same when he opened up Gizzy to remove his spleen, found cancer widespread and euthanized him.
I argued with him about it but he wouldn't budge. Office staff says when he gets like this, you can't change his mind. He wants a contribution to the humane society, but we already contribute a lot. Monday morning when I take the mutt for a follow up, I'm stopping for donuts for the staff on the way in.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2016 21:11:11 GMT -5
The dog is sacked out on the floor. He came home, peed,drank a lot, scarfed down some food and zonked out. Im really pissed with the vet though. He charged me a little more than $200 for the surgery that we got a $700 quote for a few days ago. He only charged me for sedation, the balance was a couple of check ups last week and a $60 bag of kidney food. He said he felt bad that he couldn't save the mutt's eye. This is the second time he has not charged us, he did the same when he opened up Gizzy to remove his spleen, found cancer widespread and euthanized him. I argued with him about it but he wouldn't budge. Office staff says when he gets like this, you can't change his mind. He wants a contribution to the humane society, but we already contribute a lot. Monday morning when I take the mutt for a follow up, I'm stopping for donuts for the staff on the way in. Don't be pissed with the vet. Ours is really expensive for stuff like boarding and optional stuff. But when I check out possible costs online and then get his bill for surgeries, it is about 50%. I think he charges a lot for the stuff that doesn't matter so that he can take care of animals who need his help reasonably. He is genuinely sorry he prolonged the dog's agony (and your expenses) with trying to save the eye. Vets want to help them . . . maybe beyond what most of us would pay. He is trying to be fair to you for trying a little too hard perhaps. Just learn to say "thank you."
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Jun 24, 2016 21:30:24 GMT -5
I would, other he is very reasonable for boarding too. I boarded Sheldon the 3 weeks we were in France and the bill was a whopping $180!
I did thank him......
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Post by TheOtherMe on Jun 24, 2016 21:45:40 GMT -5
$180 for boarding? Great price. I paid well over $500 for one cat for a week in Colorado. I was shocked.
I adopt older cats and I only look at ones who have been declawed. I have read all about it and I know what is done. However, after having cats destroy every piece of furniture I owned, I will not do that again. I am a good cat mom and indulge my cats. I just have limits.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2016 22:11:21 GMT -5
I had my first two housecats declawed and they never showed any of the signs of emotional/physical trauma that the anti-declawing sites are always citing.
These two new ones I signed a contract with the humane society that I wouldn't have it done. I was a bit nervous about it, but so far they've been really good about not scratching any furniture but the posts on the cat tower. They have poked holes in the screens a couple of places hanging on the windows to get birds and Scout is always attacking people which sucks sometimes, but for the most part the claws haven't been an issue.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Jun 24, 2016 22:41:18 GMT -5
I signed a contract too, MPL. Sheldon's claws were not an issue until this last incident. However, the vet knew where I got Sheldon, and likely knows their declawing contract and was still willing to do it. I'm guessing that he was more concerned about the mutt's remaining eye.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2016 22:51:34 GMT -5
Yeah, I'm sure it's not really something they enforce. If mine were causing any problems I'd have them done, even if I had to take them to a neighboring town to do it. Not worth the stress.
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Post by ginpin on Jun 25, 2016 9:59:49 GMT -5
I'm not a fan of declawing, but if came to that or getting rid of the cat, I vote declawing. For what it's worth, the declawed cats I've met have all been sweeties.
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Post by TheOtherMe on Jun 25, 2016 17:53:39 GMT -5
All of my declawed cats came to me that way. So that part of the contract was crossed out.
The kittens I didn't declaw caused so much damage. That is why I look for older, declawed cats.
I did have a friend who had a cat who had one claw grow back. She didn't have it removed.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2016 22:44:34 GMT -5
I think the most I spent on one incident was about $1500, but that is in olde dollars, so I am sure same services would now be about $3000. I'm not sure what magic I have in training, but I have taught my cats to play without their claws out. I am not a fan of declawing since that is like removing all your fingers at the first knuckle & that is too ouchy for me to contemplate. I am currently pet-sitting an adult adopted cat that did not have the "no claws during play" training & there has already been a problem with damage to my chill kittey. Not so happy with him about that, but not sure how you re-train a skittish adult cat that is all hiss & claws!!!! Mich, maybe pet insurance is in order for the old guy? Please don't make me feel guiltier than I already feel about declawing the cat. I know exactly what is involved, but the cat put out the dog's eye and I'm not about to risk his last eye. Yeah, because that was clearly the point of my post. Sheesh. You've always been pretty hostile towards me, so I shall remove myself from the negative vibe.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Jun 26, 2016 23:22:16 GMT -5
Please don't make me feel guiltier than I already feel about declawing the cat. I know exactly what is involved, but the cat put out the dog's eye and I'm not about to risk his last eye. Yeah, because that was clearly the point of my post. Sheesh. You've always been pretty hostile towards me, so I shall remove myself from the negative vibe. You don't see where declawing was the point of your post when it was clearly your largest paragraph? Ok.
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Post by phil5185 on Jun 27, 2016 10:07:49 GMT -5
Much of the 'pet-as-a-person' culture has happened in the last 50 yrs. In some ways, dogs/cats have become subs for children. In the old days, we called a Vet to save a dairy cow, to vaccinate 200 hogs, to vaccinate draft horses, etc. The cats (usually about a dozen barn cats) drank skim milk, never saw a Vet. Farm dogs were neutered & vaccinated. But in general, the thinking is that animals cannot plan/rationalize their future - for them an operation/procedure hurts and they have no way of knowing that it will make them better later. So whether you put them to sleep for an operation - or put them to sleep for good - it's the same to them. The outcome is strictly for the owner. No extreme efforts to extend farm livestock lives - eg, if a piglet looked sickly (compared to the other 199) he would be put down - economically, the profit per hog is roughly $25 -so you cannot afford a $50 Vet bill plus an extra month of feed for a 'slow' pig. Same for lambs (and other annual market animals). The doggie parks, pick-up poop bags, leases, pet insurance, are all fairly recent First World concepts. (Our horse gets flu shots every year.)
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Post by wvugurl26 on Jun 27, 2016 10:51:02 GMT -5
I learned something new today. Flu shots for horses.
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I learned something new today. Flu shots for horses. Not the same flu that humans get.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Jun 27, 2016 12:19:29 GMT -5
I just got back from the vet for the follow up. His eye is healing well, the swelling has come down since Sat. Ever try to put a bag of frozen peas on a dog's eye? Not easy! He slept a lot Sat., but was a bit more active Sun.
We we have taken to carrying him outside to pee. Between the loss of his eye and his cone of shame, his vision sucks. He ping pongs off the the cars as he tries to walk between them. In the house, the cone catches on corners and furniture. But it looks like he might get to the cone on Friday. He's had this on since 5/20.
This hasn't slowed his stomach down for food any though. He is up here with the cat for treats as soon as the container rattles. It's all about the stomach, ya know!
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Post by TheOtherMe on Jun 27, 2016 21:03:41 GMT -5
I had a cat who had major surgery for FUS. He managed to chew his stitches out even with the cone of shame. Got a new one of those and vet put him on valium. Poor kitty didn't move on his own for several days. Enough for the stitches to start to heal. I carried him to the cat box and had to hand feed him. I fed him baby food by hand for about a week.
My co-workers didn't understand why I took a week of vacation, but I had to take care of my baby boy.
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Post by weltschmerz on Jun 28, 2016 3:40:34 GMT -5
I had a cat who had major surgery for FUS. He managed to chew his stitches out even with the cone of shame. Got a new one of those and vet put him on valium. Poor kitty didn't move on his own for several days. Enough for the stitches to start to heal. I carried him to the cat box and had to hand feed him. I fed him baby food by hand for about a week. My co-workers didn't understand why I took a week of vacation, but I had to take care of my baby boy. Of course you did! No question. It's family.
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Post by emma1420 on Jun 28, 2016 8:06:01 GMT -5
I just got back from the vet for the follow up. His eye is healing well, the swelling has come down since Sat. Ever try to put a bag of frozen peas on a dog's eye? Not easy! He slept a lot Sat., but was a bit more active Sun. We we have taken to carrying him outside to pee. Between the loss of his eye and his cone of shame, his vision sucks. He ping pongs off the the cars as he tries to walk between them. In the house, the cone catches on corners and furniture. But it looks like he might get to the cone on Friday. He's had this on since 5/20. This hasn't slowed his stomach down for food any though. He is up here with the cat for treats as soon as the container rattles. It's all about the stomach, ya know! When I had my dogs eye removed it took him a couple weeks to get re-oriented, he use to bump into things the first few days. However, I also thought once the swelling went down he was super cute with his one eye. And you could tell he felt so much better. Here's hoping your pooch continues his speedy recovery. As for declawing the car, given what happened you've gotta do what you have to do. I'm not a fan of the procedure, but you really don't have a choice not unless you want your dog to lose his other eye.
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Post by TheOtherMe on Jun 28, 2016 19:55:42 GMT -5
I had a cat who had major surgery for FUS. He managed to chew his stitches out even with the cone of shame. Got a new one of those and vet put him on valium. Poor kitty didn't move on his own for several days. Enough for the stitches to start to heal. I carried him to the cat box and had to hand feed him. I fed him baby food by hand for about a week. My co-workers didn't understand why I took a week of vacation, but I had to take care of my baby boy. Of course you did! No question. It's family. I wish you had been one of my co-workers because they didn't get it!
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Nov 30, 2016 22:26:27 GMT -5
And now we are back at the vets, trying to save the mutt's remaining eye. A week ago, late Sat night I noticed he was pawing his eye. We got his cone of shame on him, started using the eye drops that we had leftover from his dearly departed eye.
After getting him into the vet first thing Mon am, yep...he has an ulcer on his eye. This time the vet STRONGLY suggested we visit the doggie eye doc, so we did yesterday.
So we are back to the same ole issue. The ulcer is now down to the last membrane that protects the guts of his eyeball, which isn't good. She wants to do a pedicle graft on the eye to cover the ulcer, this she says has about a 90% chance of success. Otherwise, if the eye ruptures, the mutt will be in extreme pain (she did give us meds in case this happens), and depending on the damage and his health, appropriate treatment is de-eyeballing him, or euthanizing him if he cannot withstand anesthesia.
She also told us he is not a 12 year old dog, he is probably closer to 14. So the person who dumped him at the animal shelter told them he was 2.5 years when we got him in 10/07, so 9 years ago. She told us that this is not uncommon when you adopt an adult pet from there, that the animal's ages are downplayed. I found this out with Gomez too.
So today, we are back at the regular vet getting the mutt a physical to see if he can withstand surgery. He got bloodwork, urinalysis and X-rays done. His heart and lungs sound good, and the vet didn't see anything strange on the X-rays. So if everything is ok, the decision would be to try to decide whether we try to save the eyeball.
It is TD's dog, so he gets to have the final word. But I think that we should try to save the eye. He doesn't act like a 14 year old dog.....
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Post by TheHaitian on Nov 30, 2016 22:32:52 GMT -5
I would.... and worried about this for next year with Max heart murmur. We are waiting till after the baby is here to tackle that, high risk pregnancy/bed rest is enough for now. Took him to the vet on Monday and he said it is still there and he agrees we can wait another 6 months after the baby arrives to schedule an appointment with a cardiologist. On a rate of 1 to 6 it is at a 2 now... He is only 7
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Post by dannylion on Nov 30, 2016 22:43:54 GMT -5
Oh, that poor sweetie. I'm sending all the good thoughts I have his way. Hoping for healing and more happy healthy years with his persons.
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Post by andi9899 on Nov 30, 2016 22:58:00 GMT -5
I think I'd wait and see and go with the de-eyeballing if not. Why pay $3700 for a useless eye?
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Post by Opti on Nov 30, 2016 23:06:37 GMT -5
I hope his eye can be saved. Poor baby and TY for doing your best for him.
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Post by seriousthistime on Nov 30, 2016 23:12:35 GMT -5
My Lab was diagnosed with Addison's Disease at age 7. She wouldn't eat or drink and was lethargic, and it didn't take long for her to become debilitated, and required overnight hospitalization, IV fluids, and testing for Addison's, which was about $2K. With the diagnosis, she had to go for every-25-day-really-expensive injections, frequent electrolyte checks, etc. The injections were about $175 each. The electrolyte checks raised the vet visit to about $225. Add to that the routine maintenance on a dog (shots, dental, heartworm, annual exam, etc.) and it added up. Big dogs have shorter lifespans. Dogs with Addison's have shorter lifespans. My big dog with Addison's lasted until a few months before her 14th birthday. Her hips just became too weak and painful for her. I had just taken her in for her injection, and talked to the vet about maybe making the next injection her last one. She didn't last for more than a week after that talk. So right to the end I was willing to spend even more money on her to keep her around. She was easily a $20K dog. But she was worth every penny, and I still miss her.
Damn pets. They steal your heart, and then they break it.
Good luck with yours, Mich. Fingers crossed he'll be okay.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Nov 30, 2016 23:28:47 GMT -5
I think I'd wait and see and go with the de-eyeballing if not. Why pay $3700 for a useless eye? Because the ulcer is not in the same place on this eye that it was the other eye. The eye vet said he actually sees pretty well out of his remaining eye. He sure was able to find the treat tray at the vets this morning.....
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