Confederate Battle Flag.

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Now that all the media hoopla is over, all the people who had the Confederate battle flag displayed in various ways are still doing it, including my little plastic plate on the front of my p/u truck.  The two black guys I see a couple of times of week at the Casey's for morning coffee still have theirs on their tailgate also.  Various houses, business', etc. still fly as the status quo was before the media attention.  The only ones who made any money on it was people selling them, and media commercial time sold during the hyperbole.  Back to southern culture as usual.

[dondub]

[gregintenn]

The entire country has watched "The Dukes of Hazzard" for more than a generation now, and nobody knew to be offended until the main stream media told us to be offended.

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Now if we could only undo all the misinformation that's been spread...

[fishy999]

Jan 15, 2016 15:41:03 GMT -5 @jma23 said:

Now that all the media hoopla is over, all the people who had the Confederate battle flag displayed in various ways are still doing it, including my little plastic plate on the front of my p/u truck.  The two black guys I see a couple of times of week at the Casey's for morning coffee still have theirs on their tailgate also.  Various houses, business', etc. still fly as the status quo was before the media attention.  The only ones who made any money on it was people selling them, and media commercial time sold during the hyperbole.  Back to southern culture as usual.

So are you a racist or just a supporter of sovereign citizen criminals?  BTW- 'the two black guys I see' is a 100% prelude to 'I am not a racist but' comments.  You have black friends- good for you

It is a racist symbol period- on top of that before it was a racist symbol it was a symbol of treason.  Maybe you ought to read that Constitution you carry in your pocket

[Deleted]

It's not a racist symbol. Anyone that believes it is doesn't understand what the secession of the southern states and the Civil War were all about.

[dondub]

To you it might not be but to many others it is, regardless of what the secession and Civil War were all about in your purview.

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Jan 16, 2016 19:31:51 GMT -5 dondub said:

To you it might not be but to many others it is, regardless of what the secession and Civil War were all about in your purview.

It's not what it was about "to [me]"... It's what it was about in reality. The facts prove that the secession and the Civil War weren't about slavery or race. The flag came out of the Civil War. Ergo, the flag is not racist.

*I don't deny it's been USED by racists... but then, so has the CROSS and the US Flag. If the "Rebel" flag is racist based on misuse then so too are those.

[dondub]

Doesn't matter. It has become a racist symbol to many regardless of what the apologists have to say or the various justifications they come up with.

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Jan 16, 2016 20:05:37 GMT -5 dondub said:

Doesn't matter. It has become a racist symbol to many regardless of what the apologists have to say or the various justifications they come up with.

The fact that they don't understand/know history is their problem... it's not the problem of people that DO understand it.

Plus they don't get to pick and choose. If it's "racist" because it was misused by racists then the Cross and the US flag MUST BE racist too. When they start calling those things racist as well, they will at least get credit from me for consistency.

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Jan 15, 2016 17:25:05 GMT -5 gregintenn said:

The entire country has watched "The Dukes of Hazzard" for more than a generation now, and nobody knew to be offended until the main stream media told us to be offended.

You sound like the people that say "Nobody has a sense of humour anymore, they're all so sensitive". The reality is people have always been offended, there are just enough of us saying so now to make your life uncomfortable when the ignorance towards others continues.

[mroped]

That flag is not in any way, form or shape a symbol of racism. It is however part of American History and integral part of the southern heritage.
Yes, there are those that go nuts and do stupid, idiotic things while wrapping themselves in the flag but that doesn't mean that all those that display the confederate flag are racists, bigots and are still clinging on the idea of an independent south.

That would be what some "righteous" people would have us believe.
For most is just a simple "I'm proud that I'm from the south!" or "I do believe in states rights!" Take your pick!

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Jan 17, 2016 0:02:29 GMT -5 mroped said:

That flag is not in any way, form or shape a symbol of racism. It is however part of American History and integral part of the southern heritage.
Yes, there are those that go nuts and do stupid, idiotic things while wrapping themselves in the flag but that doesn't mean that all those that display the confederate flag are racists, bigots and are still clinging on the idea of an independent south.

That would be what some "righteous" people would have us believe.
For most is just a simple "I'm proud that I'm from the south!" or "I do believe in states rights!" Take your pick!

But I don't wanna pick! It's BOTH to me.

[fishy999]

Jan 16, 2016 22:25:41 GMT -5 @richardintn said:

Jan 16, 2016 20:05:37 GMT -5 dondub said:

Doesn't matter. It has become a racist symbol to many regardless of what the apologists have to say or the various justifications they come up with.

The fact that they don't understand/know history is their problem... it's not the problem of people that DO understand it.

Plus they don't get to pick and choose. If it's "racist" because it was misused by racists then the Cross and the US flag MUST BE racist too. When they start calling those things racist as well, they will at least get credit from me for consistency.

I understand history- it was racist from day one, and is still the top racist flag on the planet.  Fucking right wing Germans use it for white supremacy-  you need to read history.

[fishy999]

BTW family, heritage, history means jack shit- unless you defend your relatives for owning slaves- that's the problem with the south in general- they think they were right and the slaves had a good life- I have heard this bullshit time and time again.  But you are a southerner- I expect as much from you.

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Jan 17, 2016 0:31:44 GMT -5 fishy999 said:

Jan 16, 2016 22:25:41 GMT -5 @richardintn said:

The fact that they don't understand/know history is their problem... it's not the problem of people that DO understand it.

Plus they don't get to pick and choose. If it's "racist" because it was misused by racists then the Cross and the US flag MUST BE racist too. When they start calling those things racist as well, they will at least get credit from me for consistency.

I understand history- it was racist from day one, and is still the top racist flag on the planet.  Fucking right wing Germans use it for white supremacy-  you need to read history.

The bolded is directly contradicted by the underlined. If you understood history you would know that it wasn't racist.

And, as I said, It's not it's fault that racists have usurped it. They've also usurped other symbols. Since you want to go with Germans, the Nazis usurped the Indian symbol for "good fortune" or "well being" too. That doesn't mean it's ALWAYS been racist... just that they MISUSED IT that way.

I've read history... that's how I know you are wrong. Maybe you should read history and not propaganda.

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Jan 17, 2016 0:37:22 GMT -5 fishy999 said:

BTW family, heritage, history means jack shit- unless you defend your relatives for owning slaves- that's the problem with the south in general- they think they were right and the slaves had a good life- I have heard this bullshit time and time again.  But you are a southerner- I expect as much from you.

For the record: I can't "defend [my] relatives for owning slaves"... none of them ever did.

Also for the record: MOST Southerners (pre-Civil War) didn't own any either.

As well as this for the record: Slavery was bad and I don't defend it in any way-shape-or-form. BUT other than slavery (which was only one part of a much larger group of reasons for the secession of the Confederate States) the south WAS right to leave the Union (or at least to TRY and leave).

[OldCoyote]

Jan 17, 2016 0:37:22 GMT -5 fishy999 said:

BTW family, heritage, history means jack shit- unless you defend your relatives for owning slaves- that's the problem with the south in general- they think they were right and the slaves had a good life- I have heard this bullshit time and time again.  But you are a southerner- I expect as much from you.

You mean like the first twelve Presidents having owned or used slaves is A southern thing??  I must have missed something here.

[zibazinski]

You're confusing facts with hysterical rantings.

[gregintenn]

Jan 16, 2016 22:45:25 GMT -5 laterbloomer said:

Jan 15, 2016 17:25:05 GMT -5 gregintenn said:

The entire country has watched "The Dukes of Hazzard" for more than a generation now, and nobody knew to be offended until the main stream media told us to be offended.

You sound like the people that say "Nobody has a sense of humour anymore, they're all so sensitive". The reality is people have always been offended, there are just enough of us saying so now to make your life uncomfortable when the ignorance towards others continues.

Not sure how it works in Canada, but in the U.S., one doesn't have the right to not be offended.

If a likeness of an antique, historical  battleflag has that great an effect on a person, they have problems.

[dondub]

The fact that they don't understand/know history is their problem... it's not the problem of people that DO understand it.


Even you eventually admitted in a post above that slavery may have been a component of the Civil War. You often look for consistency, correct? The history of the Confederate flag, which so many do know, is that it has become a racist symbol.

Plus they don't get to pick and choose. If it's "racist" because it was misused by racists then the Cross and the US flag MUST BE racist too. When they start calling those things racist as well, they will at least get credit from me for consistency.

The KKK did turn crosses on fire into a racist symbol and people such as Rev. Farakkhan believe the US flag is such. Like you, they are entitled to their opinion even if others disagree.

[dondub]

As for those supportive of State's Rights....I'm sure there will be justifications and distancing yourselves from this stain:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_States%27_Rights_Party

Doesn"t mean they will have any validity.

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Jan 17, 2016 9:05:41 GMT -5 gregintenn said:

Jan 16, 2016 22:45:25 GMT -5 laterbloomer said:

You sound like the people that say "Nobody has a sense of humour anymore, they're all so sensitive". The reality is people have always been offended, there are just enough of us saying so now to make your life uncomfortable when the ignorance towards others continues.

Not sure how it works in Canada, but in the U.S., one doesn't have the right to not be offended.

If a likeness of an antique, historical  battleflag has that great an effect on a person, they have problems.

In Canada when we are offended we say so as loud and clear as we can and make the lives of those offending us as uncomfortable as they are making ours.

If there was a flag that meant I was sorry you are a free man and would rather you and your family were slaves you would be offended as well and I am very sure you would have a strong reaction.

[gregintenn]

Jan 17, 2016 14:52:12 GMT -5 laterbloomer said:

Jan 17, 2016 9:05:41 GMT -5 gregintenn said:

Not sure how it works in Canada, but in the U.S., one doesn't have the right to not be offended.

If a likeness of an antique, historical  battleflag has that great an effect on a person, they have problems.

In Canada when we are offended we say so as loud and clear as we can and make the lives of those offending us as uncomfortable as they are making ours.

If there was a flag that meant I was sorry you are a free man and would rather you and your family were slaves you would be offended as well and I am very sure you would have a strong reaction.

That isn't at ALL what the confederate flag means to anyone except race baiters and their blind, ignorant followers.

Anyway, what does one gain by walking around all butt hurt and offended their entire life? Seems like a sad existence to me.

Funny thing is, the only relative of mine whom I have documented proof of fighting in the War of Northern Aggression, fought for the north. I have a copy of his diary.

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Jan 17, 2016 15:12:54 GMT -5 gregintenn said:

Jan 17, 2016 14:52:12 GMT -5 laterbloomer said:

In Canada when we are offended we say so as loud and clear as we can and make the lives of those offending us as uncomfortable as they are making ours.

If there was a flag that meant I was sorry you are a free man and would rather you and your family were slaves you would be offended as well and I am very sure you would have a strong reaction.

That isn't at ALL what the confederate flag means to anyone except race baiters and their blind, ignorant followers.

Anyway, what does one gain by walking around all butt hurt and offended their entire life? Seems like a sad existence to me.

So what are you calling me? A race baiter or an ignorant follower? I'm also not butt hurt and offended my entire life, just when you make ignorant comments like this. Being as ignorant as you are being is a sad existence.

[gregintenn]

Jan 17, 2016 15:17:31 GMT -5 laterbloomer said:

Jan 17, 2016 15:12:54 GMT -5 gregintenn said:

That isn't at ALL what the confederate flag means to anyone except race baiters and their blind, ignorant followers.

Anyway, what does one gain by walking around all butt hurt and offended their entire life? Seems like a sad existence to me.

So what are you calling me? A race baiter or an ignorant follower? I'm also not butt hurt and offended my entire life, just when you make ignorant comments like this. Being as ignorant as you are being is a sad existence.

I never called you anything. I was referring to people in general, and you know that.....but I suppose if the shoe fits....

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Jan 17, 2016 15:19:08 GMT -5 gregintenn said:

Jan 17, 2016 15:17:31 GMT -5 laterbloomer said:

So what are you calling me? A race baiter or an ignorant follower? I'm also not butt hurt and offended my entire life, just when you make ignorant comments like this. Being as ignorant as you are being is a sad existence.

I never called you anything. I was referring to people in general, and you know that.....but I suppose if the shoe fits....

No, you are referring to people with a different view than you, which I happen to be. So which is it, race baiter or ignorant follower?

[gregintenn]

Jan 17, 2016 15:21:14 GMT -5 laterbloomer said:

Jan 17, 2016 15:19:08 GMT -5 gregintenn said:

I never called you anything. I was referring to people in general, and you know that.....but I suppose if the shoe fits....

No, you are referring to people with a different view than you, which I happen to be. So which is it, race baiter or ignorant follower?

Take your pick then is all I know to tell you. The confederacy had very little if anything to do with racism. You can believe whatever you want. You can get mad and stomp your feet all you want. You can believe what you want as hard as you want, but it doesn't make it true.

If racism were to come to an end, folks like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson would have no means of making a living. Those and folks like them keep this shit stirred up.

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And you were responding directly to something I said so you were actually calling me those things.

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Jan 17, 2016 15:24:42 GMT -5 gregintenn said:

Jan 17, 2016 15:21:14 GMT -5 laterbloomer said:

No, you are referring to people with a different view than you, which I happen to be. So which is it, race baiter or ignorant follower?

Take your pick then is all I know to tell you. The confederacy had very little if anything to do with racism. You can believe whatever you want. You can get mad and stomp your feet all you want. You can believe what you want as hard as you want, but it doesn't make it true.

If racism were to come to an end, folks like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson would have no means of making a living. Those and folks like them keep this shit stirred up.

The Confederacy was all about protecting the "right" to own slaves. No amount of your denying it changes that fact. Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson have nothing to do with my views. It is people like yourself that keep insisting on indulging behaviours that are ignorant towards others that keep this shit stirred up.