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Post by mmhmm on Jan 10, 2016 22:17:25 GMT -5
I spent over 20 years in Islamic countries, gregintenn. I know these folks from a different perspective than many. I completely agree with laterbloomer. Not only will the hate make things worse, it will eliminate any chance of understanding and coexistence within our world. It's not impossible but it does take some deep thought and a lot of maneuvering. There's good and bad on both sides. It's the truly evil folks who cause the problems.
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Post by Shooby on Jan 11, 2016 7:43:07 GMT -5
I would take him over Obama or Hillary. Thanks.
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Post by Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger on Jan 11, 2016 8:47:43 GMT -5
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Post by Tennesseer on Jan 11, 2016 9:12:10 GMT -5
I would take him over Obama or Hillary. Thanks. Be careful what you wish for. Karma can be a real bitch.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jan 11, 2016 9:22:21 GMT -5
Your point was easily understood.
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Jan 11, 2016 9:40:37 GMT -5
Nothing like that was said in most mosques this week either. However in Christian churches other than yours they were being summoned to go out and kill. Where would this be? Didn't happen in mine either. We must go to the same church.
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Post by gregintenn on Jan 11, 2016 9:46:59 GMT -5
I spent over 20 years in Islamic countries, gregintenn . I know these folks from a different perspective than many. I completely agree with laterbloomer . Not only will the hate make things worse, it will eliminate any chance of understanding and coexistence within our world. It's not impossible but it does take some deep thought and a lot of maneuvering. There's good and bad on both sides. It's the truly evil folks who cause the problems. I could not agree more. You definitely have a much broader knowledge of these people than do I. I cannot tell the difference between a peaceful muslim and one who wishes to kill me and my family. Until the time comes that I can, I will be very suspicious of them all.
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Post by ken a.k.a OMK on Jan 11, 2016 10:08:12 GMT -5
I'd also be suspicious of an American walking up to me with an assault style weapon.
I think what many of us are saying is that belonging to a religion doesn't mean that you follow the peaceful teachings. Look at the Westboro Baptist church and their protests at military funerals.
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Post by Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger on Jan 11, 2016 10:19:40 GMT -5
Hitler may have PRIVATELY doubted Christian doctrine, but PUBLICLY he used it. Which is exactly to my point. It is a well known fact now that Hitler was completely anti religious. He said that Catholicism was fit for only slaves. So, instead of misrepresenting the facts, why not make the point that an atheist was able to push his agenda and make deals with Christians and Arabs a like, simply by playing off religious prejudices?
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Post by Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger on Jan 11, 2016 11:01:07 GMT -5
Right, an atheist USED religion to push his agenda. That's what I am saying.
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Post by Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger on Jan 11, 2016 11:53:30 GMT -5
Being that you are a level headed guy, I figured we could get on the same page here.. Okay, so lets flip this to current times. While we know NOT all Muslims are radicals, the Mujahideen, the Shitte militias, the house of Saud, the Iranian Ayatollahs, etc, etc: all these people in one way or another believe that the Koran justifies their actions, that they are following Muhammad's teachings, and that they are God's holy warriors sent to purify this world of infidels. Essentially we are talking about Hitler on steroids here. Do you want to know who is more sick and tired of the western mentality that this has nothing to do with Islam? Muslims!!! Which is why a very, very, very brave lady by the name of, Raheel Raza and some other very, very brave Muslims have started to speak up against this dangerous "not Islam" mentality. While I applaud their efforts - being like 75% German and having the Hitler stigma follow you around - I know it's a futile endeavor because this war that is coming... well Islam will never be able to come back from a stigma like this..
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Post by Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger on Jan 11, 2016 13:42:43 GMT -5
I do hope you check it out, dem (and I hear ya boss ) I'm not disputing what you or peaceful Muslims in the west are saying about representation. However, if Nazi Germany had as much support world wide as radical Islam does... Well, Vergangenheitsbewältigung wouldn't be a word, but the entire world would know how to pronounce it. Thank God that radical Islam isn't even in the same game as Nazi Germany was with industry.
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Post by Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger on Jan 12, 2016 17:00:10 GMT -5
You doubt the third circle, then go on to explain exactly why that third circle is as large as it is - you left out the part that these people in this circle have been fed a steady stream of anti US/Israel propaganda. The second circle feeds into the third.. Which leaves us with numbers in the hundreds of millions, at least the size of the population of the USA(still a minority of muslims). The questions you ask about what to do are valid, even if they are irrelevant at this point. We are on the precipitous, dem and yes defending our own will be the only options. Take care.
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Post by Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger on Jan 13, 2016 9:28:09 GMT -5
No offense, but memories of reading 30 years ago isn't worth the key board you are typing on... Hitlers veiws are completely outlined in the wiki link I posted on them.. A quote... Stalin, is another athiest.. FWIW... I doubt that the "third circle" is seriously a threat. I think most of the people in that demographic really are just everyday people who will side with their culture when push polled. Probably not a lot different than people here fantasizing about Red Dawn scenarios. Of course I'd try to kill Russians if they were invading my town. That doesn't mean I want to kill Russians. I don't. I actually like Russians. Well, those that I have met anyway. They are foot soldiers, dem. If Raheel is correct I am being conservative with my 300-400 million number. There is a reason that the square in Tehran is filled with people changing death to America when the Ayatollah speaks. There is a reason that Christian persecution is rising all across these third circle countries, and it's not because people just want to eat sandwiches. Just like you, I'm not about to go out and start shit, but if they come at me I will do what I have to, to protect my own.
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Post by Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger on Jan 13, 2016 12:37:40 GMT -5
The wiki link draws on a wide variety of sources, all referenced for you to check.. it's accurate. However(it's an irrelevant point), you do realize we are saying the same thing about it, right? Hitler used whatever he needed to to push his agenda, regardless of what his personal beliefs were. Foot soldiers are always harmless, until they are organized and pushed into fighting for their culture(kinda of like siding with the culture in polls). This has been true throughout our entire history, regardless of who we are talking about. I'm glad that we can agree though that when it comes down to it, it's our freedom above all else.
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Post by weltschmerz on Jan 13, 2016 12:53:25 GMT -5
Yes, he's Russian Orthodox. I'm not sure I see the point you're trying to make.
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