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Post by Value Buy on Nov 24, 2015 9:34:20 GMT -5
 In an amazing quirk in the war on terror, Turkey warns a Russian military jet to vacate their airspace, and proceeds to shoot it down. www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/turkey-downs-russian-warplane-near-syria-border-moscow-denies-airspace-violation/ar-BBnnnBR?li=BBnb7KzSomeone has to come to their senses, and decide who's side everyone is on, and play nice with your friends. Turkey has to come to terms on whether they are pro war on terror and joining a strong coalition. If you are, you do not shoot down Russian military planes. Russia has to decide who they are fighting. Turkey is not the area you should be flying over provoking a potential friendly source. America has to decide whether they are all in on this war on terror. Based on recent footage attacking ISIS oil production and transportation, we have not been proactive in Syria or Iraq in the war on terror.
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Post by jkapp on Nov 24, 2015 10:13:22 GMT -5
Turkey has been acting quite odd during this whole Syria war - they seem to care more about preventing the Kurds from gaining any power than fighting ISIS. But, of course, Russia has been acting like pricks since at least the Ukraine debacle. There's no real good side to take between the two...its like an American presidential election! 
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Post by verrip1 on Nov 24, 2015 10:29:22 GMT -5
Turkey has been acting quite odd during this whole Syria war - they seem to care more about preventing the Kurds from gaining any power than fighting ISIS. But, of course, Russia has been acting like pricks since at least the Ukraine debacle. There's no real good side to take between the two...its like an American presidential election!
Russia has been acting like a prick ever since the end of WWII. And during WWII. And before WWII. Where the hell are those Romanoffs anyway? Oops! Oh, yeah .... |
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Post by Spellbound454 on Nov 24, 2015 13:21:45 GMT -5
www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-34913173Russian President Vladimir Putin has bitterly condemned the downing of a Russian jet on the Turkey-Syria border. He described it as a "stab in the back" committed by "accomplices of terrorists". Turkey says its jets shot at the plane after warning that it was violating Turkish airspace. But Moscow says it never strayed from Syrian airspace. Nato is holding an extraordinary meeting to discuss the incident at Turkey's request. Oh boy...this has suddenly got a whole lot worse. Turkey is in NATO and Obama is supporting them.......but what a freakkin stupid thing to do We may not like Putin much......but they are Slavs fighting Islamic fundies We need them on side. I'm not sure about Turkey's loyalty in this fight at all.... given the booing of the French National anthem. What happens now?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2015 13:25:32 GMT -5
www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-34913173Russian President Vladimir Putin has bitterly condemned the downing of a Russian jet on the Turkey-Syria border. He described it as a "stab in the back" committed by "accomplices of terrorists". Turkey says its jets shot at the plane after warning that it was violating Turkish airspace. But Moscow says it never strayed from Syrian airspace. Nato is holding an extraordinary meeting to discuss the incident at Turkey's request. Oh boy...this has suddenly got a whole lot worse. Turkey is in NATO and Obama is supporting them.......but what a freakkin stupid thing to do We may not like Putin much......but they are Slavs fighting Islamic fundies We need them on side. I'm not sure about Turkey's loyalty in this fight at all.... given the booing of the French National anthem. What happens now? Saw the video on FOX while on the treadmill. Can't really feel too sorry for Russia though as I can remember the passenger plane that the USSR shot down for straying into their airspace. |
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Post by verrip1 on Nov 24, 2015 13:31:43 GMT -5
What happens is more same-o. There are dozens of sides involved over there, and no semblance of any definition of who is "us" and who is "them" for those in Syria, in their neighboring countries or in the international community. It's everyone for themselves and consistency has become obsolete. Just get a gun, a bomb or an airplane and have at anybody unlucky enough to get into your killing zone.
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Post by mmhmm on Nov 24, 2015 13:33:47 GMT -5
I'm going to merge this thread with Value Buy's thread on the same subject (started earlier), Spellbound454. mmhmm, Administrator |
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Post by Spellbound454 on Nov 24, 2015 13:41:41 GMT -5
Opps sorry VB....I couldn't see one  What on earth for? There has to be a plan and right now we need Putin keeping sweet. We may even have to form an unholy alliance. I think it arrogant and stupid of Turkey, I question their motives...and sincerely hope those pilots aren't dead as reported. We don't need to take Russia on as well as IS. |
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Post by Spellbound454 on Nov 24, 2015 14:08:14 GMT -5
The plane had strayed slightly into Turkish airspace but the wreckage is in Syria....so Turkey may have violated Syrian airspace in shooting it down.
The pilots ejected and were shot at..... and at least one was killed by rebel forces...not IS
Putin is now going to pound them into dust.
If the plane had been in Turkish airspace...was it threatening anyone?
This is a pointless escalation in a fight that is much bigger than this.
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Post by GRG a/k/a goldenrulegirl on Nov 24, 2015 14:12:16 GMT -5
So, it's Thanksgiving week and my mind read the thread title as a typo that should have said something like "Russian shoots turkey".  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2015 14:21:11 GMT -5
The plane had strayed slightly into Turkish airspace but the wreckage is in Syria....so Turkey may have violated Syrian airspace in shooting it down. The pilots ejected and were shot at..... and at least one was killed by rebel forces...not IS Putin is now going to pound them into dust. If the plane had been in Turkish airspace...was it threatening anyone? This is a pointless escalation in a fight that is much bigger than this. I predict Putin will give it some lip service and move on. It's just one fighter jet that lost the fight. With oil prices near the low side of things, he will have little appetite for more expense. |
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Post by billisonboard on Nov 24, 2015 14:27:35 GMT -5
The plane had strayed slightly into Turkish airspace ... Or was it testing Turkey's air defenses? |
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Post by Spellbound454 on Nov 24, 2015 15:35:06 GMT -5
Putin reckons Turkey is supporting terrorism though that southern border
We all remember ISIS taking over Kobane whilst the Turkish tanks just sat nearby and watched.
Perhaps he is right and Turkey isn't committed to the fight.
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Post by b2r on Nov 24, 2015 16:31:16 GMT -5
US TOW missle takes out Russian rescue helicopter...Buckle up!  |
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Post by verrip1 on Nov 24, 2015 17:58:08 GMT -5
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Post by Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger on Nov 25, 2015 10:49:11 GMT -5
Hellz ya, vman! They are pounding them to dust in Syria. Just ignore what is going on around Baghdad, just ignore Yemen, Central and SE Asia, and you for sure what to ignore what is going on in North Africa. Just pretend that parts of Europe haven't already been placed under martial law, because don't worry - our fearless leaders are taking it to them in Syria!  |
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Nov 25, 2015 11:15:29 GMT -5
So, it's Thanksgiving week and my mind read the thread title as a typo that should have said something like "Russian shoots turkey". I knew about the story, but still the first image that popped into my mind when I saw the thread title was a turkey shooting down a Russian jet. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2015 21:10:44 GMT -5
I know this is a serious thread... but... considering the time of year and stuff... am I the only one that got from the thread title, a momentary of a butterball turkey with a missile launcher shooting at a jet?
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Post by MJ2.0 on Nov 25, 2015 22:01:59 GMT -5
I know this is a serious thread... but... considering the time of year and stuff... am I the only one that got from the thread title, a momentary of a butterball turkey with a missile launcher shooting at a jet? Omg, that's the first thing I thought when I saw the thread title! I was like, these Thanksgiving stories are going too far now!  |
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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 25, 2015 22:04:28 GMT -5
every time i read this caption, i picture this huge thanksgiving turkey shooting down a Russian jet.
i hate the way my mind works.
edit: i read no posts on this thread before i posted that.
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Post by mmhmm on Nov 25, 2015 22:23:34 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2015 22:51:01 GMT -5
I am so relieved I am not the only one! I thought I was broken!
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Post by MJ2.0 on Nov 25, 2015 23:01:38 GMT -5
I am so relieved I am not the only one! I thought I was broken! I think it's a requirement for YMAM that you be at least somewhat broken |
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Post by tallguy on Nov 26, 2015 3:43:04 GMT -5
You all know how it is:
Russian shoots turkey? Not news.
Turkey shoots Russian? That's news.
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Post by Value Buy on Nov 26, 2015 9:27:17 GMT -5
I must admit that no Turkey attacked the Russian jet. Turkeys are quite docile and do not fly, other than flapping their wings very short distances to escape becoming dinner. |
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Nov 26, 2015 10:13:53 GMT -5
I wouldn't say the move was reckless or stupid after reading the article. As they point out: if you warn somebody to get out of your airspace, get out of your airspace, get out of your airspace, and they continue to violate your airspace, you really have no choice but to start shooting down their planes. Do you not agree? |
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Nov 26, 2015 13:47:30 GMT -5
It's not as if Russia hasn't shot down planes that have ventured into their airspace. Remember passenger flight Korean Air 007? That flight didn't even get a warning!
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Post by MJ2.0 on Nov 26, 2015 23:43:13 GMT -5
Aw, someone changed the thread title!
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Post by Tennesseer on Nov 27, 2015 0:05:49 GMT -5
I must admit that no Turkey attacked the Russian jet. Turkeys are quite docile and do not fly, other than flapping their wings very short distances to escape becoming dinner. Not so fast there, VB.  |
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