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Post by Shooby on Oct 2, 2015 8:24:43 GMT -5
Yes, gun free zones are Free for all Killing Zones. That is exactly what that is.
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Post by Shooby on Oct 2, 2015 8:27:25 GMT -5
Gun free zones are now Free For All Killing Zones. It is what it is. If what you said is correct, most of Europe would be a blood bath, with armed criminals roaming the streets, shooting at will, like some Mad Max movie. Is that what Europe is like? I lived there 11 years and saw one weapon, once, being held by a cop following a bank robbery. How is that possible, since most of Europe is a Gun Free Zone, going by your logic? Unless your logic is flawed? Europe is on the verge of becoming a blood bath.
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Post by Shooby on Oct 2, 2015 8:28:18 GMT -5
Gun free zones are now Free For All Killing Zones. It is what it is. If what you said is correct, most of Europe would be a blood bath, with armed criminals roaming the streets, shooting at will, like some Mad Max movie. Is that what Europe is like? I lived there 11 years and saw one weapon, once, being held by a cop following a bank robbery. How is that possible, since most of Europe is a Gun Free Zone, going by your logic? Unless your logic is flawed? Law breakers don't follow Laws. So, is your logic flawed?
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Post by happyhoix on Oct 2, 2015 8:31:30 GMT -5
If what you said is correct, most of Europe would be a blood bath, with armed criminals roaming the streets, shooting at will, like some Mad Max movie. Is that what Europe is like? I lived there 11 years and saw one weapon, once, being held by a cop following a bank robbery. How is that possible, since most of Europe is a Gun Free Zone, going by your logic? Unless your logic is flawed? Europe is on the verge of becoming a blood bath. All right, you're going to have to come up with some form of proof to back that up. And it can't be something from the NRA or another far right militia group. I need some kind of think tank analysis or university research that can lays out how Europe is going to suddenly go from having almost no mass shootings to being a blood bath.
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Post by Tennesseer on Oct 2, 2015 8:32:31 GMT -5
Yes, gun free zones are Free for all Killing Zones. That is exactly what that is. Then we have a problem in our country with bad and mentally ill people able to legally buy weapons or obtain them illegally, don't we. How do you propose ending this problem without making every public venue an armed fortress.
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Post by Shooby on Oct 2, 2015 8:36:46 GMT -5
I didn't propose anything. I asked you. I am not the one saying we need a bazillion more gun laws. Whereever there are gatherings of people there is opportunity. The only thing that will stop an armed shooter is to shoot and kill him. That is what has stopped the killings from being even more devastating.
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Post by Shooby on Oct 2, 2015 8:38:14 GMT -5
So, ok, mental illness. How do you propose this be done? If someone has ever taken a xanax or had an antidepressant they don't qualify? Be specific.
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Post by Tennesseer on Oct 2, 2015 8:44:31 GMT -5
I didn't propose anything. I asked you. I am not the one saying we need a bazillion more gun laws. Whereever there are gatherings of people there is opportunity. The only thing that will stop an armed shooter is to shoot and kill him. That is what has stopped the killings from being even more devastating. So your position is that schools, movie theaters, restaurants, our workplaces, hospitals, and the like, should be armed to the teeth to protect us from bad people, yes?
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Post by happyhoix on Oct 2, 2015 8:57:48 GMT -5
I wish to propose that the person who sells a gun, or allows a gun to go to someone who is exhibiting mental health issues be prosecuted with severe fines and jail time. We have laws against bartenders serving drunk people additional drinks, should that drunk person then go out and mow down a bus of nuns. We need a law that says if you live in a house with someone who is mentally unbalanced and you fail to lock up your weapons in a way that the person can't access them, or if you allow an obviously unbalanced person to come into your gun shop and you load him up with weapons and ammo, then you need to pay a very high penalty. I know people will claim you can't always tell if someone is deranged. You can't always tell if someone is really drunk, too. But common sense would tell you if someone has already had ten whiskies in 2 hours they are good and drunk, and if someone comes into your shop asking for large quantities of armor piercing bullets because they have a really important, really big job coming up this weekend they are probably not talking about hunting a lot of deer. So - are we good with this or is this somehow infringing on personal liberty, our dear constitution, and the founding father's deepest desires that all Americans own their own bazookas and automatic weapons? I don't know...what other constitutional rights are you ok with taking away from mentally ill people? Freedom of speech? Cause ya know they just say crazy stuff. Illegal search and seizure... Cause ya know they could have dangerous things on them... like the guns they now can't have. How about that religion stuff... maybe forcing God or Buddha on them will cure the crazy. What shall we define crazy as? Is it anything that is listed in the DSM-5? You might want to rethink that, because you do know gay was considered crazy at one point... what else have they gotten wrong? Quite a leap there, suggesting that I want to deprive all mentally ill people from freedom of speech and freedom of religion just because I want to prevent some of them from being armed. I want to deprive mentally ill people with violent tendencies from having access to weapons. That's all I want to do. This isn't a constitutional issue. It's a safety issue. You wouldn't let toddlers or old people with dementia have guns, either. Why would you think it's ok to allow mentally ill people who have expressed violent statements have weapons? Not all mentally ill people. The bulk of MI people are either not murderous or they are on medication that controls their destructive thoughts. I only want to target those people that end up on the nightly news with their googly eyes, looking bat shit crazy, and all their neighbors are telling the media "Yep I knew sooner or later he was going to blow." This is exactly like the bartender law. A bartender can sell alcohol to an alcoholic, as long as the alcoholic isn't smashed already. A bartender is only obligated to stop one type of person from buying more alcohol - the person who is already falling down drunk. The person living with someone with a mental illness is not obligated to keep his weapons locked up if that person is not exhibiting murderous intent. But if you have a lot of weapons and your son is clearly delusional and obsessed with first person shooter video games, you should have a legal obligation to prevent your son from being able to get at your guns. For instance, in the Sandy Hook case, the mom had a stash of weapons at the house where her clearly troubled son lived. Wouldn't it have been nice if she kept all those guns in a gun safe at the shooting range? We could ask her, but she was the first person her crazy ass son killed, before he took his guns to the elementary school.
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Post by happyhoix on Oct 2, 2015 9:05:05 GMT -5
If what you said is correct, most of Europe would be a blood bath, with armed criminals roaming the streets, shooting at will, like some Mad Max movie. Is that what Europe is like? I lived there 11 years and saw one weapon, once, being held by a cop following a bank robbery. How is that possible, since most of Europe is a Gun Free Zone, going by your logic? Unless your logic is flawed? Law breakers don't follow Laws. So, is your logic flawed? So, are you saying there are no criminals in Europe and that's why they have no mass shootings there? Is that where your logic is taking you? There are plenty of criminals in Europe, and some of them have weapons. Why do you think they don't pull out there weapons and start shooting up schools and churches there at the same scale they do in our country? If you're only safe if everyone is armed, why do Canada and Europe have such low mass shootings?
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Post by Shooby on Oct 2, 2015 9:18:01 GMT -5
This ain't Europe and this aint' Canada. I have already addressed this point . But, if you think you are going to blink and all the guns are going to go Poof, that isn't happening.
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Post by swamp on Oct 2, 2015 9:41:18 GMT -5
What journey is that? Confiscating guns from law abiding citizens who have the right to protect their own lives and homes? What EXACTLY does Obama and the rest of you who always "want more laws" SPECIFICALLY wish to propose? Obama is always blathering on and "scolding' everyone like some angry teacher yet in all of his time in office can't seem to come up with any specific solutions except to say "we need more laws". Ok, what laws do we need? Why haven't you solved your own gun crime problems in Chicago? I wish to propose that the person who sells a gun, or allows a gun to go to someone who is exhibiting mental health issues be prosecuted with severe fines and jail time.
We have laws against bartenders serving drunk people additional drinks, should that drunk person then go out and mow down a bus of nuns. We need a law that says if you live in a house with someone who is mentally unbalanced and you fail to lock up your weapons in a way that the person can't access them, or if you allow an obviously unbalanced person to come into your gun shop and you load him up with weapons and ammo, then you need to pay a very high penalty. I know people will claim you can't always tell if someone is deranged. You can't always tell if someone is really drunk, too. But common sense would tell you if someone has already had ten whiskies in 2 hours they are good and drunk, and if someone comes into your shop asking for large quantities of armor piercing bullets because they have a really important, really big job coming up this weekend they are probably not talking about hunting a lot of deer. So - are we good with this or is this somehow infringing on personal liberty, our dear constitution, and the founding father's deepest desires that all Americans own their own bazookas and automatic weapons? I think that may be a law already.
The problem is people who don't exhibit symptoms.
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 2, 2015 9:46:44 GMT -5
What is it going to take to make this mass shootings stop? Regulate the crazies. that has actually been the law for nearly half a century. unfortunately, no LEGISLATION has been passed that enforces that law.
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 2, 2015 9:50:07 GMT -5
What journey is that? Confiscating guns from law abiding citizens who have the right to protect their own lives and homes? quick question: do you think the right to bear arms extends to the criminally insane? yes or no?
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 2, 2015 9:51:23 GMT -5
And, what stopped the shooter? A rapid response of Armed officers. Since Columbine, they have changed the way they approach this. They don't wait because there will be more casualties. The first officer on the scene will storm the building in an attempt to take out the shooter. That is exactly what they did. so, we should resign ourselves to dying ten at a time? that's so comforting.
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Post by Tennesseer on Oct 2, 2015 9:53:32 GMT -5
One of the problems of the mentally ill (or even just angry people) with weapons and expressing violent threats is family, friends and acquaintences afraid to report these threats to the powers that be. They are afraid the person may be arrested, involuntarily committed for their mental issues, or even harmed by the individual, and do not want to be held responsible for same. Some of these single and mass killers had vocally expressed their anger and intentions, even if somewhat vague, and no one said or reported anything.
We need to start taking these threats seriously.
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Post by Shooby on Oct 2, 2015 10:22:11 GMT -5
And, what stopped the shooter? A rapid response of Armed officers. Since Columbine, they have changed the way they approach this. They don't wait because there will be more casualties. The first officer on the scene will storm the building in an attempt to take out the shooter. That is exactly what they did. so, we should resign ourselves to dying ten at a time? that's so comforting. The alternative is Virginia Tech. The alternative is Chicago that Obama so conveniently ignores. He's had 6 years to do "something". But, standing at the pulpit and "scolding" with his "angry eyes" is the only thing he is capable of. The only way to beat a bully is to punch him in the nose. Weak incompetence will be crushed. Weak incompetent liberal policies that have resulted in the breakdown of society, family and religion are what has caused these mass shootings.
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Post by Shooby on Oct 2, 2015 10:23:33 GMT -5
Funny how we use guns to protect criminals at the Court House. We use guns to protect our money. But, we don't want to use guns to protect our children. Go figure.
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Post by swamp on Oct 2, 2015 10:24:24 GMT -5
so, we should resign ourselves to dying ten at a time? that's so comforting. The alternative is Virginia Tech. The alternative is Chicago that Obama so conveniently ignores. He's had 6 years to do "something". But, standing at the pulpit and "scolding" with his "angry eyes" is the only thing he is capable of. The only way to beat a bully is to punch him in the nose. Weak incompetence will be crushed. Weak incompetent liberal policies that have resulted in the breakdown of society, family and religion are what has caused these mass shootings. what would you like Obama to do?
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 2, 2015 10:24:20 GMT -5
so, we should resign ourselves to dying ten at a time? that's so comforting. The alternative is Virginia Tech. The alternative is Chicago that Obama so conveniently ignores. He's had 6 years to do "something". But, standing at the pulpit and "scolding" with his "angry eyes" is the only thing he is capable of. The only way to beat a bully is to punch him in the nose. Weak incompetence will be crushed. no. that is AN alternative, not THE alternative.
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 2, 2015 10:25:20 GMT -5
Funny how we use guns to protect criminals at the Court House. We use guns to protect our money. But, we don't want to use guns to protect our children. Go figure. still waiting for an answer to post 47. got one?
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Post by weltschmerz on Oct 2, 2015 10:26:09 GMT -5
As for Canada doing "something right", that may be. But, that doesn't necessarily translate to America. We have a very fierce culture of Independence and self sufficiency. And, our founders WANTED Americans to be able to protect themselves from tyrannical governments who would try to take their weapons. Sorry you don't like that, but that is the way it is. And, there are plenty of nations where citizens can't have guns who are being killed with guns. So, no you can't just "oh look at Canada", blah, blah. The problem is liberal cultural rot and atheism and annihilation that has taken hold so that shooters see no purpose to live and don't even fear God. You're going to blame atheism? Are you suggesting that more people should be forced to be religious and to fear God? How do you explain the fact that the more liberal, more secular countries have fewer shootings? Very few people fear God where I live, yet we don't have mass shootings every two weeks? Or mass stabbings or mass hammerings? We don't fear God, yet we don't go around mowing everyone down who gets in our way.
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Post by Shooby on Oct 2, 2015 10:28:22 GMT -5
Yes, I am going to blame Atheism. Absolutely. Evil is a spiritual problem.
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Post by weltschmerz on Oct 2, 2015 10:30:31 GMT -5
so, we should resign ourselves to dying ten at a time? that's so comforting. The alternative is Virginia Tech. The alternative is Chicago that Obama so conveniently ignores. He's had 6 years to do "something". But, standing at the pulpit and "scolding" with his "angry eyes" is the only thing he is capable of. The only way to beat a bully is to punch him in the nose. Weak incompetence will be crushed. Weak incompetent liberal policies that have resulted in the breakdown of society, family and religion are what has caused these mass shootings.That's such a load of crap. If that was the case, we'd have nobody left standing up here.
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Post by grumpyhermit on Oct 2, 2015 10:31:23 GMT -5
Yes, I am going to blame Atheism. Absolutely. Evil is a spiritual problem. Then maybe we should start by listing all the atrocities that have been carried out under the banner of "religion." Bet its longer than the ones carried out by atheists.
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 2, 2015 10:31:31 GMT -5
Yes, I am going to blame Atheism. Absolutely. Evil is a spiritual problem. two words for you: Eric Rudolph
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Post by swamp on Oct 2, 2015 10:32:09 GMT -5
Yes, I am going to blame Atheism. Absolutely. Evil is a spiritual problem. Yup, because we all know that Atheists are evil, while all religious people are pure, good hearted, and pacifists.
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Post by weltschmerz on Oct 2, 2015 10:32:05 GMT -5
Yes, I am going to blame Atheism. Absolutely. Evil is a spiritual problem. Lol! Well, then, kindly explain to the class why the more atheistic countries have fewer shootings and fewer homicides. We're waiting with bated breath.
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Post by Opti on Oct 2, 2015 10:33:04 GMT -5
No it is angry people who think killing others is a great idea to solve their problems. Society-wise perhaps all the conservatives who talk about shooting and killing people they do not like, is making mass shootings more acceptable.
It was young white males doing mass shootings before Obama came in office, before W came to office, and it still is. The only difference is the lower bound of ages has dropped since Columbine. Perhaps less talk about how guns can solve every issue might dial down the amount of angry impressionable young white males who decide killing people with guns is the answer.
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