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Post by Value Buy on Sept 16, 2015 7:51:13 GMT -5
TALK ABOUT DEFLECTING CRITICISM....... Why not start a thread on that question.
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Post by Tennesseer on Sept 16, 2015 8:09:39 GMT -5
TALK ABOUT DEFLECTING CRITICISM....... Why not start a thread on that question. Hickle did start a thread about his alcoholic friend. I am looking for an update seeing Hickle only wants to post here.
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Post by The Captain on Sept 16, 2015 8:28:28 GMT -5
I'm actually more interested in why we think wishing ill on others is a good thing and words to be praised?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2015 8:29:53 GMT -5
Do people here ever get tired of mocking and ridiculing beliefs you disagree with? I have read 3 articles about this and in none of them do I see a quote from someone saying the world is going to end. Mormons believe they are supposed to be prepared for bad times by storing food and other necessities. There is nothing new to that belief. They have stores set up to help believers do that. I know a lot of posters here skated through the last economic downturn. They did not lose their job and were able to ride through the downturn in stock values, but the truth is that that downturn really hurt a lot of people. It makes sense to worry about another downturn and to prepare as best you can. This is a ugly thing about me, but I hope the next economic troubles we have hurt a lot more of the posters here. Many here are arrogant and mean-spirited to those with different experiences and worries. The mormons are just trying to prepare for possible problems that might arise. They are not killing people who think different. They are not chopping of the heads of those from other religions. They are just buying beans and rice and putting that on a shelf for just in case. I see no problem with "prepping", there are legitimate reasons to do so. I think the ridicule comes in when they put a certain date fence on it. It isn't fair that if I go around saying that stuff is going to happen on a certain date I would be called crazy, but they do it and cite "religion" and people have to respect it. I hope the next downturn hurts as few people as possible, I know several folks that lost their homes, filed BK, got divorced and the list goes on from the last one.
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Post by OldCoyote on Sept 16, 2015 8:56:32 GMT -5
The Mormons store a years worth of supplies, Period. It has nothing to do with any forecast of the Zombie coming to get them.
They believe in self sufficient.
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Post by NoNamePerson on Sept 16, 2015 9:09:50 GMT -5
I'm actually more interested in why we think wishing ill on others is a good thing and words to be praised? Same here. People like that scare me. I don't wish ill will on anyone just because shit happens to me.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Sept 16, 2015 9:15:21 GMT -5
I think the Mormons have the right idea as far as being self suffficient. I wish I had the storage space to stockpile like that but I don't. I should at least have a couple months you never know when we're finally going to get hit with the mother of all tornadoes. We've been pretty lucky the past few years. People have been trying to predict the end of the world since. .. well the beginning of the world. It's just now we have 24/7 media, TLC, Discovery, NatGeo and the internet to tell us all about the people who believe it. Some of those Doomsday Preppers on TV are cuckoo for coco puffs.
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Post by wyouser on Sept 16, 2015 9:52:05 GMT -5
Come on guys, you have to hang on to some sense of humor...crack a bit of a smile? Snicker a bit? How else can one aspire to becoming a serial serious cynic??...seriously!
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Post by NancysSummerSip on Sept 16, 2015 10:03:04 GMT -5
I think the Mormons have the right idea as far as being self suffficient. I wish I had the storage space to stockpile like that but I don't. I should at least have a couple months you never know when we're finally going to get hit with the mother of all tornadoes. We've been pretty lucky the past few years. People have been trying to predict the end of the world since. .. well the beginning of the world. It's just now we have 24/7 media, TLC, Discovery, NatGeo and the internet to tell us all about the people who believe it. Some of those Doomsday Preppers on TV are cuckoo for coco puffs. We live in hurricane territory, and I stockpile. Not much use if our house is blown off its foundation, I know. But if there is flooding all around us (which has happened, and all that required was a bad tropical storm) or loss of power, or trees and power lines down and blocking our only access road to the rest of civilization, then the extra food, water, TP, pet supplies, batteries, lanterns and a well-stocked first aid kit is a pretty good thing. I do have stockpile space in my house and put it to good use. When hurricane season ends, I donate most of the nonperishable food to two local food pantries. I'll keep some of it for our use.
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Post by Blonde Granny on Sept 16, 2015 11:35:14 GMT -5
We live in tornado and ice storm heaven. Preparing for tornados actually doesn't take much, but ice storms and the damages those cause, along with extended power outages is a different story.
In addition to stockpiling food, water and other necessary items, we have a dual fuel stove, so the cooktop being natural gas will work. Our fireplace is one of those non-vented gas ones that will heat most of the house. We also have a gas grill and a Honda 2000K generator and gasoline for electricity as needed. The generator is backed up by battery operated lanterns and a few carefully place candles and flashlights.
And let's not forget our 2015 large SUV with 4matic AWD.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Sept 16, 2015 13:08:07 GMT -5
Then again, Putin is putting troops and tanks on the ground in Syria, flying jets over Iraq and Iran........ Yes. And ... ? Are you suggesting there have never been troops on the ground before? Are you suggesting jets haven't been overflying anywhere before? Why is it different now? Wow. It's amazing to me how many otherwise intelligent people are ignorant of history. The West has traditionally, and for very good reason, kept Russia OUT of the middle east- bottled up at the Black Sea. This goes back to Britain's support of the Ottomans. Are you completely unfamiliar with the term "The Great Game"?
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Post by The Captain on Sept 16, 2015 13:19:18 GMT -5
Yes. And ... ? Are you suggesting there have never been troops on the ground before? Are you suggesting jets haven't been overflying anywhere before? Why is it different now? Wow. It's amazing to me how many otherwise intelligent people are ignorant of history. The West has traditionally, and for very good reason, kept Russia OUT of the middle east- bottled up at the Black Sea. This goes back to Britain's support of the Ottomans. Are you completely unfamiliar with the term "The Great Game"? History is not currently part of the NCLB/Core testing. It's not even on DD's schedule for this year. It's all about Math and Language arts with some science and PE thrown in. Music and foreign language have been removed as well. She's been through Columbus discovering America to the slaughter of the native population through diseases about three times now. DH and I have started her on events that lead to WWI and she's picked up on certain WWII topics herself (service dogs and how they helped save lives). We watch a lot of the history channel together (The World Wars mini series was brilliant). Those who lack a knowledge of history, are doomed to repeat it.
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Post by mmhmm on Sept 16, 2015 13:27:31 GMT -5
Yes. And ... ? Are you suggesting there have never been troops on the ground before? Are you suggesting jets haven't been overflying anywhere before? Why is it different now? Wow. It's amazing to me how many otherwise intelligent people are ignorant of history. The West has traditionally, and for very good reason, kept Russia OUT of the middle east- bottled up at the Black Sea. This goes back to Britain's support of the Ottomans. Are you completely unfamiliar with the term "The Great Game"? LOL! Perhaps someone should tell Afghanistan they're not in the Middle East. The classical "Great Game" ended in the early 1900s. The appellation is simply pasted on today's conflicts, since the Soviet Union fell on it's face and the sides facing off have changed. That said, this has absolutely nothing to do with what I said in response to VB.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Sept 16, 2015 13:35:01 GMT -5
Living down here in hurricane land, we are typically prepared for a month or more. I have recently acquired a solar generator and built what is essentially my own water treatment plant. My equipment can do 500 gallons a day- I can basically take retention pond water and make it potable. I can take just about any contaminated water and clean it up.
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Post by NoNamePerson on Sept 16, 2015 14:35:19 GMT -5
I live in hurricane country and I just leave town if a big one is headed my way
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Sept 16, 2015 14:38:06 GMT -5
Wow. It's amazing to me how many otherwise intelligent people are ignorant of history. The West has traditionally, and for very good reason, kept Russia OUT of the middle east- bottled up at the Black Sea. This goes back to Britain's support of the Ottomans. Are you completely unfamiliar with the term "The Great Game"? LOL! Perhaps someone should tell Afghanistan they're not in the Middle East. The classical "Great Game" ended in the early 1900s. The appellation is simply pasted on today's conflicts, since the Soviet Union fell on it's face and the sides facing off have changed. That said, this has absolutely nothing to do with what I said in response to VB. As the European powers withdrew from the region, the United States stepped in with the same objective. The problem is liberal idealism. Liberals simultaneously believe people here in the United States cannot be trusted to select the correct light bulb, or flush the toilet with precisely the optimum amount of water, let alone carry a gun-- but the masses of people in the middle east should be left totally alone to self-govern. That plan has not quite worked out. What the world suffers from now is a leadership vacuum (and as Rush recently called it: a sanity vacuum) and the Russians have been all too happy to step in. They aren't just moving tanks into the region, either. www.debka.com/article/24873/Russian-submarine-with-20-ICBMs-and-200-nuclear-warheads-is-sailing-to-SyriaThe Syrian regime is a long time ally of Russia going back to the cold war...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2015 14:43:56 GMT -5
Do people here ever get tired of mocking and ridiculing beliefs you disagree with? I have read 3 articles about this and in none of them do I see a quote from someone saying the world is going to end. Mormons believe they are supposed to be prepared for bad times by storing food and other necessities. There is nothing new to that belief. They have stores set up to help believers do that. I know a lot of posters here skated through the last economic downturn. They did not lose their job and were able to ride through the downturn in stock values, but the truth is that that downturn really hurt a lot of people. It makes sense to worry about another downturn and to prepare as best you can. This is a ugly thing about me, but I hope the next economic troubles we have hurt a lot more of the posters here. Many here are arrogant and mean-spirited to those with different experiences and worries. The mormons are just trying to prepare for possible problems that might arise. They are not killing people who think different. They are not chopping of the heads of those from other religions. They are just buying beans and rice and putting that on a shelf for just in case. I see no problem with "prepping", there are legitimate reasons to do so. I think the ridicule comes in when they put a certain date fence on it. It isn't fair that if I go around saying that stuff is going to happen on a certain date I would be called crazy, but they do it and cite "religion" and people have to respect it. I hope the next downturn hurts as few people as possible, I know several folks that lost their homes, filed BK, got divorced and the list goes on from the last one. I did not see a "certain date" in the linked article. Did I miss that? I saw that some people were worried about the economy. Some people read a book that triggered their concerns. Some were worried about how some current events match up with their religious beliefs.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2015 14:59:04 GMT -5
@hickle-you haven't been around for almost a month. Any updates on your friend who received his 5th DUI/DWI conviction? Was he sentenced to jail/prison (which you vehemently did not want to happen) or did he just get told by the sentencing judge not to drink and drive again (which you preferred as his punishment). I think you know that both of the things you stated are not true. If you want to post on that subject, I think you should either go to that thread or start a new thread on alternatives to jail for DUIs. Your attributing views to me that I do not hold is dishonest and wrong. I do not care if he goes to jail or not. I think forcing an alcoholic to stop drinking or go to jail was an interesting idea. It was not my "preference" it was an idea I wanted to talk about. You can post whatever ugly lie you want about me, apparently it is allowed, but it is wrong and hurtful. The reason I haven't posted in awhile is because I do not like to be accused of having beliefs I do not have. If you think i have said anything to support what you accused me of believing go to that thread and quote something that supports your accusation, not something out of context either. Please do not ask me again about my co-worker's dui, unless that is the subject.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2015 15:29:12 GMT -5
I see no problem with "prepping", there are legitimate reasons to do so. I think the ridicule comes in when they put a certain date fence on it. It isn't fair that if I go around saying that stuff is going to happen on a certain date I would be called crazy, but they do it and cite "religion" and people have to respect it. I hope the next downturn hurts as few people as possible, I know several folks that lost their homes, filed BK, got divorced and the list goes on from the last one. I did not see a "certain date" in the linked article. Did I miss that? I saw that some people were worried about the economy. Some people read a book that triggered their concerns. Some were worried about how some current events match up with their religious beliefs. September 28th is cited as the full moon which is a sign of the world ending.
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Post by Tennesseer on Sept 16, 2015 16:20:04 GMT -5
@hickle-you haven't been around for almost a month. Any updates on your friend who received his 5th DUI/DWI conviction? Was he sentenced to jail/prison (which you vehemently did not want to happen) or did he just get told by the sentencing judge not to drink and drive again (which you preferred as his punishment). I think you know that both of the things you stated are not true. If you want to post on that subject, I think you should either go to that thread or start a new thread on alternatives to jail for DUIs. Your attributing views to me that I do not hold is dishonest and wrong. I do not care if he goes to jail or not. I think forcing an alcoholic to stop drinking or go to jail was an interesting idea. It was not my "preference" it was an idea I wanted to talk about. You can post whatever ugly lie you want about me, apparently it is allowed, but it is wrong and hurtful.The reason I haven't posted in awhile is because I do not like to be accused of having beliefs I do not have. If you think i have said anything to support what you accused me of believing go to that thread and quote something that supports your accusation, not something out of context either. Please do not ask me again about my co-worker's dui, unless that is the subject. Hurtful more than the below or less than the below: "This is a ugly thing about me, but I hope the next economic troubles we have hurt a lot more of the posters here. Many here are arrogant and mean-spirited to those with different experiences and worries."
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Post by ❤ mollymouser ❤ on Sept 16, 2015 16:35:15 GMT -5
If someone chooses to stockpile out of fear, I have no issue with that. If someone chooses to stockpile out of faith, I've got no stones to throw. If someone chooses to stockpile out of a desire to be thrifty, frugal, independent or otherwise, that's fine with me. Speaking personally, (and to partially quote another poster, "I hope the next economic troubles we have DO NOT hurt ANY of the posters here" ~ regardless (or in spite of) any differences in opinions we have on anything. If any of you want to stock up on Spam and beans, go for it!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2015 16:42:08 GMT -5
deleted because it was probably not the best way to respond.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2015 16:47:10 GMT -5
If someone chooses to stockpile out of fear, I have no issue with that. If someone chooses to stockpile out of faith, I've got no stones to throw. If someone chooses to stockpile out of a desire to be thrifty, frugal, independent or otherwise, that's fine with me. Speaking personally, (and to partially quote another poster, "I hope the next economic troubles we have DO NOT hurt ANY of the posters here" ~ regardless (or in spite of) any differences in opinions we have on anything. If any of you want to stock up on Spam and beans, go for it! I am the one that said I hope that some of the posters here get hurt in the next downturn and it is not because of different opinions. It is because of the complete lack of sympathy that they showed for those hurt in the last downturn. They seem to think those hurt deserved it for choices they made and they skated through it because of the wisdom of their choices. Certainly that is probably true to an extent, but only to an extent. People see others that were hurt and say they deserved it. I would kind of like to see those people hurt just to know. It is an ugly view, sort of, but we all have some sort of ugly views. I just post some of mine.
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Post by Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger on Sept 16, 2015 20:06:08 GMT -5
Crazy stuff, EH b2? I think this old guy has it right.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2015 20:07:49 GMT -5
I live on the Gulf Coast and was woefully unprepared for the last hurricane which seriously traumatized me, my family and my friends. I truly recognize that my preparations like generators, gas cans, portable a/c units, ice chests, battery powered equipment of all sorts etc. will not prevent the next storm. But that prep is all I can do in the face of the unknowable and unbearable. The floods may still drown me or a downed tree will crush me, but at least I tried. And perhaps my effort, and my neighbor's effort, joined together can sustain a little part of our community for a brief time. And sometimes that's as good as it gets.
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Post by OldCoyote on Sept 16, 2015 23:01:15 GMT -5
They have real trouble detecting the ones that come from the direction of the Sun.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Sept 18, 2015 21:41:53 GMT -5
If someone chooses to stockpile out of fear, I have no issue with that. If someone chooses to stockpile out of faith, I've got no stones to throw. If someone chooses to stockpile out of a desire to be thrifty, frugal, independent or otherwise, that's fine with me. Speaking personally, (and to partially quote another poster, "I hope the next economic troubles we have DO NOT hurt ANY of the posters here" ~ regardless (or in spite of) any differences in opinions we have on anything. If any of you want to stock up on Spam and beans, go for it! On this we agree. Preparation is a quality idea regardless of your motivation. We are now at least four, and maybe five generations out from two world wars and the "Great Depression". Things can and do happen, and hoping they won't and saying they won't will not change the fact that hard times will come. Tomorrow? Next year? Maybe in 10 years. If all you've got are electronic cards to access electronic "money" and even your paper assets are electronic-- you might not fare as well as you think. A good preparation requires the physical stuff you need to actually live, and hopefully some physical items of value you can trade for those items you don't. I have a sizable stash of booze and tobacco at an undisclosed location because a real SHTF scenario could mean "prison economy" for awhile.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Sept 18, 2015 21:55:16 GMT -5
If you want the full theory, the book, "The Harbinger" and its companion, "The Mystery of the Shemita" take all the bits and pieces of the 'conspiracy' and tie it all together in a nice, neat, and I dare say- no matter what you think about it- compelling package.
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