Driver Tells Deputy: 'No Wonder You People Get Shot!'

[Green Eyed Lady]

Well.....I work for said government, so I'm fairly "understanding" of its purpose and role.  It might assist you greatly to not assume everyone here on this board knows less than you about everything. 

I appreciate you offering another alternative, which is what I asked from  you.  So....your alternative is to fine people, along with other consequences.  You do realize your entire post that I quoted was based on the premise that you despise fines, right?  I'm sorry.  I can't agree with your suggestion to just leave people alone until something bad happens.  Something "bad" happening in this school zone you are so against is a child/children getting killed because Mary Idowhatiwant went speeding through it. 

"We" care or at least the majority of do, I'm guessing.  There is no greater way to make a point to most people than to hit them in their pocketbook or to take away their freedom.  I would have no problem jailing those who are repeat offenders, but most people would.  People have shit fits over jailing someone for possession of drugs.  I'm sure there would be a meltdown of huge proportions if we started jailing traffic offenders.

I'm sorry, but I don't think I missed your point at all. You'll have a difficult time convincing me that you are all about keeping dangerous people off the road by assigning more serious consequences than fines when you've admitted blowing an air horn at a driver that was irritating you.    She/he wasn't depriving you of life, liberty or property. Why didn't you leave him/her alone? If you want the government to act in a certain way, it might be good to set an example.  Where was your "leave people alone" approach then?

[zibazinski]

There's a point there.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Sept 18, 2015 11:39:28 GMT -5 Green Eyed Lady said:

Well.....I work for said government, so I'm fairly "understanding" of its purpose and role.  It might assist you greatly to not assume everyone here on this board knows less than you about everything. 

I appreciate you offering another alternative, which is what I asked from  you.  So....your alternative is to fine people, along with other consequences.  You do realize your entire post that I quoted was based on the premise that you despise fines, right?  I'm sorry.  I can't agree with your suggestion to just leave people alone until something bad happens.  Something "bad" happening in this school zone you are so against is a child/children getting killed because Mary Idowhatiwant went speeding through it. 

"We" care or at least the majority of do, I'm guessing.  There is no greater way to make a point to most people than to hit them in their pocketbook or to take away their freedom.  I would have no problem jailing those who are repeat offenders, but most people would.  People have shit fits over jailing someone for possession of drugs.  I'm sure there would be a meltdown of huge proportions if we started jailing traffic offenders.

I'm sorry, but I don't think I missed your point at all. You'll have a difficult time convincing me that you are all about keeping dangerous people off the road by assigning more serious consequences than fines when you've admitted blowing an air horn at a driver that was irritating you.    She/he wasn't depriving you of life, liberty or property. Why didn't you leave him/her alone? If you want the government to act in a certain way, it might be good to set an example.  Where was your "leave people alone" approach then?

Being "understanding" of its purpose and role is different from having an understanding of its legitimate purpose and role.  The problem is that you are having is a failure to differentiate between the law and regulation.  Legitimate government is there to protect the unalienable rights of individuals, not to regulate their behavior.  Therefore, the only way legitimate government functions is to step in when said rights are violated. Setting a "speed limit", while an understandable impulse, and then fining people for violating it is not protective of anyone's rights.  It's a side project. A distraction.  And we have evidence of that very fact right here on this thread- a child in a school zone is hit at least once a year.  Speed limits, school zones, and enforcement have made no difference.  There is of course data to support this- that speed doesn't cause the accidents it is claimed to cause, and that enforcement makes little or no difference-- and that basically ALL the evidence points to NO REGULATION AT ALL actually being the SAFEST option.  Look that up for yourself and start doing some homework on deregulated roads-- you might be surprised, but you will definitely be better informed.  My point just is. It isn't one that people need to be convinced of. It's just the truth.

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Sept 18, 2015 10:41:31 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

In general I do agree that police departments spend too much time on "speed traps"... however, some places they are a reasonable idea. School zones (when special "School Zone speed limits" are in effect) is one of those places. Construction areas is the other.

I can't believe you haven't figured out that the school zone / construction zone thing is a racket.

Getting a ticket for breaking the law is not "getting hassled". Don't wanna get a ticket? Don't break the law that will get you that ticket. Seems a pretty simple way to avoid "getting hassled".
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Yeah- just surrender your business and stitch on that Star of David like you're supposed to. Just because it's the law doesn't mean it's just, doesn't mean it's not a total joke, doesn't mean you just roll over and say nothing about it, and it doesn't mean you don't ultimately, through widespread civil disobedience simply nullify it. Remember when we had a "national speed limit" of 55 mph on interstate highways designed for 70 mph at a time before cars had radial tires, power steering, power brakes, safety glass, anti-lock brakes, air bags, independent suspension, etc? Originally introduce to "save fuel", later the cry was "55 saves lives". There never was any evidence of that, and since the vast majority of states have raised the speed limit-- including just this year, IL, to at least 70 mph, productivity is UP, and traffic fatalities are down- on average 15,000 per year. So, there were obviously other measures that were far more effective on the safety front than driving slow.

Again, I think this is fundamentally a zoning and design problem. The clearest solution to the problem is to avoid busy streets to begin with. And that begins primarily with making sure schools are in residential areas with residential roads and speed limits. Of course, that's even before you rewind and address the real root of the problem: schools don't actually even have to exist. It's an old model, it's largely ineffective, and for a variety of reasons from personal security issues, to traffic, and the expense of building and maintaining large, inefficient buildings to house children-- it would be far better to decentralize schooling, shift most subjects to online, and shift to the use of small, specialized facilities for activities like music, sports, and science. The best way to make that happen is to simply de-fund all government run schools, give the money directly to the parents and let them decide how best to educate their kids. If the big, bloated, government run system can compete- it shall live. If not...

Bolded: I can't believe that you haven't figured out that kids don't pay attention and that construction workers need to be concentrating on their JOB, not on the asshole that wants to speed through the zone in a hurry.

The rest of your post is basically garbage that doesn't even address what you quoted before it... so why did you bother quoting it?

[Tennesseer]

And school buses have flashing lights during pickup and drop off for a reason.  For example: 

[Opti]

That's not good Tenn, but why was the bus one lane away from where the kids are? Usually the issue is the kids cut in front of the bus and the back of the bus to cross the street.

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Sept 18, 2015 18:30:55 GMT -5 Opti said:

That's not good Tenn, but why was the bus one lane away from where the kids are? Usually the issue is the kids cut in front of the bus and the back of the bus to cross the street.

If you check the video BEFORE the SUV sped past, the bus is riding right by the edge of the street. If you look out the window at the very RIGHT of the video you can see the the "open area" starts right there.

[Tennesseer]

Sept 18, 2015 18:30:55 GMT -5 Opti said:

That's not good Tenn, but why was the bus one lane away from where the kids are? Usually the issue is the kids cut in front of the bus and the back of the bus to cross the street.

Looks to me the guy in the car drove on the gravel/breakdown side to the right of the paved road and then drove a bit across the paved road that empties onto the street the bus was traveling.

The greenery at the beginning of the video before the bus stops looks pretty close to the bus. I am guessing a two-lane road with a gravel breakdown lane.

[zibazinski]

I'd love to see assholes like that publically shamed as in face and name all over front page along with pointing out how they don't give a damn about anyone but themselves. Barring that, how about being someone's bitch for the night in the pokey? I've got zero sympathy for anyone doing shit like that. Ticketing is not enough. Hauling their ass right to jail is a start.

[zibazinski]

I freely admit I drive over the speed limit on highways and I have zero patience for those who day dream in the left hand lane but I don't mess around in neighborhoods or school zones. If I get caught and ticketed for going 80 in a 70, oh, well. I'll pay the penalty.

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Sept 18, 2015 20:40:51 GMT -5 zibazinski said:

I freely admit I drive over the speed limit on highways and I have zero patience for those who day dream in the left hand lane but I don't mess around in neighborhoods or school zones. If I get caught and ticketed for going 80 in a 70, oh, well. I'll pay the penalty.

That's pretty much me as well.

On the open Interstate or other reasonable high speed road? Zoom-Zoom. If I get a ticket... I get a ticket. I accept it. Part of the price of the choice to go fast.

Through construction areas, neighborhoods or School Zones. Nope... speed limit OR LESS depending on conditions.

[Tennesseer]

Sept 18, 2015 20:33:41 GMT -5 zibazinski said:

I'd love to see assholes like that publically shamed as in face and name all over front page along with pointing out how they don't give a damn about anyone but themselves. Barring that, how about being someone's bitch for the night in the pokey? I've got zero sympathy for anyone doing shit like that. Ticketing is not enough. Hauling their ass right to jail is a start.

The drivers I dislike most are highway drivers during rush hours. Why are 'you' so damn important that you drive down the breakdown lane while the rest of us slowly crawl along the highway. Everyone of us has someplace to go too.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Sept 18, 2015 20:40:51 GMT -5 zibazinski said:

I freely admit I drive over the speed limit on highways and I have zero patience for those who day dream in the left hand lane but I don't mess around in neighborhoods or school zones. If I get caught and ticketed for going 80 in a 70, oh, well. I'll pay the penalty.

I despise scams.  When I see "fines doubled" or "camera" signs, I automatically detect scam.  Again, in the old days it was "when workers present" or "on school days when children are present".  Now it's "zones" with flashing lights and times; or they just throw some orange barrels out and call it a "construction zone" in spite of the fact that there's nothing being done, and nobody around for miles.

[zibazinski]

I still see those signs.

[Deleted]

Me too.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

We have a "School Zone" - 20 MPH in front of the high school in a 40 MPH zone-- two lanes in both directions, left turn lanes at the intersection of the road and the HS parking lot-- and there's a tunnel under the road. These aren't elementary school kids, they're not middle schoolers-- they're high schoolers-- and there's a tunnel. I don't get it. But what I do get is that the police love to hide there during school hours-- and the speeds I've seen those squad cars achieve through that school zone chasing people down are incredible- I'm sure they're hitting 50 - 60 MPH.

[zibazinski]

You can and should report them.