New York woman arrested after pit bulls maul man

[Tennesseer]

I know it is not the dog but the owner which dictates the dogs' behavior. I have to wonder about this woman.

New York woman arrested after pit bulls maul man

New York (CNN)A pair of pit bulls left Francesco Bove so badly mutilated that a priest read him his last rites outside a New York church.

"I think I'm going to die," the bloodied 62-year-old artist told the priest, Bove's son recalled Saturday. "But the priest made him promise that he will fight until the end."

The gruesome attack Friday was captured on video from the window of a tenement in the Bronx. The pit bulls are seen clamping onto Bove's arms with their jaws, shaking their heads violently, dragging him several feet toward the curb.

Good Samaritans try to stop the assault -- swinging a chain at the animals, spraying them with water. They attempt to encircle Bove, but the dogs swerve around to continue the attack. Still, the people probably helped save Bove's life.

"I got to the hospital and he was in pieces," Bove's son, Anthony Bove, said, describing gaping holes in his arms, a severed ear and the other split in half, and lacerations all over his body.

The horror began when the dogs' owner, Cynthia Oliver, 55, exchanged words with the victim, said NYPD spokeswoman Detective Annette Markowski. Oliver was holding the pit bulls and dropped the leash, she said. The dogs attacked.

But Anthony Bove said his father told him there was no altercation, no words exchanged.

New York woman arrested after pit bulls maul man

Disturbing video of attack here.

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[chiver78]

ugh. it's not the breed, it's how the individual pups are raised.

I do hope Mr Bove recovers. I'm just so tired of hearing stories about god awful pit bulls tearing people up. I'll refrain from whining with my own experiences.

sent from my electronic distraction

[mmhmm]

Every time I read about one of these cases I can't help but picture the pitty next door. That is the sweetest dog alive. I hurt my foot not long ago and was staying in and off of it while it healed. The gal next door came to check on me to be sure I didn't need anything and said she had to argue with the dog because she wouldn't let him come with her. He's been wanting to get over here, she said. I guess he missed me. He's lovely with everyone in the neighborhood and adores the children. It darned well isn't the breed of dog! It's the breed of owner!

[Tennesseer]

Beside the woman who owns the dogs, I see another idiot in that video:  the man standing around with a very young girl.  The dogs could easily have gone after the little girl.  The father(?) should have gotten the hell out of there.  But he sticks around and at one point, the dogs come pretty close to them man/child.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Sept 13, 2015 18:12:56 GMT -5 chiver78 said:

ugh. it's not the breed, it's how the individual pups are raised.

I do hope Mr Bove recovers. I'm just so tired of hearing stories about god awful pit bulls tearing people up. I'll refrain from whining with my own experiences.

sent from my electronic distraction

Pit bull stories are like gun stories- there's an agenda, so every time it happens- which is exceedingly rare.  I am a claims adjuster, and the dog breed that bites the most are poodles, followed closely by West Highland white terriers, and chihuahuas.  Dogs that do the most damage when they bite are Labs and German Shepherds, THEN pit bulls.  Rottweilers aren't even in the top ten.  This is not from online surveys and news reports- this is underwriting data.  This means there are claims involved, so I will concede that there could be different data for reported dog bites since that data would include both insured, and uninsured owners.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Sept 13, 2015 21:41:27 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Sept 13, 2015 18:12:56 GMT -5 chiver78 said:

ugh. it's not the breed, it's how the individual pups are raised.

I do hope Mr Bove recovers. I'm just so tired of hearing stories about god awful pit bulls tearing people up. I'll refrain from whining with my own experiences.

sent from my electronic distraction

Pit bull stories are like gun stories- there's an agenda, so every time it happens- which is exceedingly rare- we're all going to get an eyeful of pre-treatment dog bites.  I am a claims adjuster, and the dog breed that bites the most are poodles, followed closely by West Highland white terriers, and chihuahuas.  Dogs that do the most damage when they bite are Labs and German Shepherds, THEN pit bulls.  Rottweilers aren't even in the top ten.  This is not from online surveys and news reports- this is underwriting data.  This means there are claims involved, so I will concede that there could be different data for reported dog bites since that data would include both insured, and uninsured owners.

[ArchietheDragon]

facts are facts, though. Pit bulls are dogs that are prone to attack.


time.com/2891180/kfc-and-the-pit-bull-attack-of-a-little-girl/

"Pit bulls make up only 6% of the dog population, but they’re responsible for 68% of dog attacks and 52% of dog-related deaths since 1982, according to research compiled by Merritt Clifton, editor of Animals 24-7, an animal-news organization that focuses on humane work and animal-cruelty prevention."

[Tennesseer]

Sept 14, 2015 9:53:21 GMT -5 ArchietheDragon said:

facts are facts, though. Pit bulls are dogs that are prone to attack.


time.com/2891180/kfc-and-the-pit-bull-attack-of-a-little-girl/

"Pit bulls make up only 6% of the dog population, but they’re responsible for 68% of dog attacks and 52% of dog-related deaths since 1982, according to research compiled by Merritt Clifton, editor of Animals 24-7, an animal-news organization that focuses on humane work and animal-cruelty prevention."

You are wrong according to spacecoastpaul. Don't doubt him. Ever.

[ArchietheDragon]

Sept 14, 2015 9:56:11 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Sept 14, 2015 9:53:21 GMT -5 ArchietheDragon said:

facts are facts, though. Pit bulls are dogs that are prone to attack.


time.com/2891180/kfc-and-the-pit-bull-attack-of-a-little-girl/

"Pit bulls make up only 6% of the dog population, but they’re responsible for 68% of dog attacks and 52% of dog-related deaths since 1982, according to research compiled by Merritt Clifton, editor of Animals 24-7, an animal-news organization that focuses on humane work and animal-cruelty prevention."

You are wrong according to spacecoastpaul. Don't doubt him. Ever.

I think we are on the same page, Windy and I.      He's got them at number 3 of the most damaging bites. 

[Tennesseer]

Sept 14, 2015 9:57:56 GMT -5 ArchietheDragon said:

Sept 14, 2015 9:56:11 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

You are wrong according to spacecoastpaul. Don't doubt him. Ever.

I think we are on the same page, Windy and I.      He's got them at number 3 of the most damaging bites. 

Number three ain't number one.

[ArchietheDragon]

Sept 14, 2015 10:02:39 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Sept 14, 2015 9:57:56 GMT -5 ArchietheDragon said:

I think we are on the same page, Windy and I.      He's got them at number 3 of the most damaging bites. 

Number three ain't number one.

number six hundred and forty-five thousand, three hundred and twenty-nine is also not one. 

[Tennesseer]

Sept 14, 2015 10:08:26 GMT -5 ArchietheDragon said:

Sept 14, 2015 10:02:39 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Number three ain't number one.

number six hundred and forty-five thousand, three hundred and twenty-nine is also not one. 

Correct.

[justme]

And if you go and look at the statistics they lump three different breeds into one, while every other dog on that list is only one breed. To top it off "pit bull" is listed as a breed when it's not a breed and a name given to a variety of different breeds. Namely almost any short hair dog that's all muscle. Can't tell you how many pit bull attacks stories I've seen where the photo of the dog they show is actually a boxer.

So, flawed statistics.

[zibazinski]

Here's where the punishment should fit the crime. How about letting some dogs chew on her?

[kittensaver]

Blame the Deed, Not the Breed.

[kittensaver]

There is really only one truly dangerous breed on this planet, and that is Human.

[fishy999]

Sept 13, 2015 21:41:27 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Sept 13, 2015 18:12:56 GMT -5 chiver78 said:

ugh. it's not the breed, it's how the individual pups are raised.

I do hope Mr Bove recovers. I'm just so tired of hearing stories about god awful pit bulls tearing people up. I'll refrain from whining with my own experiences.

sent from my electronic distraction

Pit bull stories are like gun stories- there's an agenda, so every time it happens- which is exceedingly rare.  I am a claims adjuster, and the dog breed that bites the most are poodles, followed closely by West Highland white terriers, and chihuahuas.  Dogs that do the most damage when they bite are Labs and German Shepherds, THEN pit bulls.  Rottweilers aren't even in the top ten.  This is not from online surveys and news reports- this is underwriting data.  This means there are claims involved, so I will concede that there could be different data for reported dog bites since that data would include both insured, and uninsured owners.

True- Pit Bulls are not a 'mean breed' or prone to anything- they are actually fine dogs and have to be raised to be dangerous.  Kind of like humans.

[weltschmerz]

I ran a pit rescue. Lovely beasts, eager to please and would take a bullet for you. Very gentle if treated and trained properly.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

There are some people who believe that pitbulls are inherently dangerous. I've heard people tout incredible numbers for the PSI of a pitbull's bite, and they are of course wrong. The average domestic dog breed bite pressure is 328 PSI using a bite sleeve with instrumentation. The highest was a Rottweiler with 328, German Shepherds came in second with 238. The Pitbull came in last with 235. It is also claimed that the pit bull was created for dog fighting, and there is some history that would indicate their ancestors and similar breeds like the bull mastiff were used to intimidate enemies in tribal warfare going back to antiquity. They were also used- literally- as bull dogs-- they would jump and grab the nose of unruly bulls and hang on until the master could get control of the beast again- so there is that feature of hanging on which can make an attack by a pit bull more dangerous due to their tenacity. I've actually done a lot of reading on them because I have been alarmed at the insurance industry's (an incredibly heavily government regulated industry) efforts to achieve the wholesale elimination of some of the most cherished breeds of dogs by making them uninsurable risks.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Sept 14, 2015 13:05:22 GMT -5 zibazinski said:

Here's where the punishment should fit the crime. How about letting some dogs chew on her?

I'd like it, but why put the dogs through that?

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

time.com/2891180/kfc-and-the-pit-bull-attack-of-a-little-girl/

Clifton says that for the 32 years he’s been recording, there has never been a year when pit bulls have accounted for less than half of all attacks. A CDC report on dog-bite fatalities from 1978 to 1998 confirms that pit bulls are responsible for more deaths than any other breed, but the CDC no longer collects breed-specific information.

Well, isn't that convenient.

No matter, the problem is still the owners. It doesn't do any good to selectively reduce the number of pit bulls, if you don't intend to do anything about irresponsible owners. It's just another blame someone other than the PERSON ultimately responsible scenario. Yes, euthanize the dangerous dogs. I'm sorry, but if your pit bull mauls a toddler- your dog has to be put down. I am not about saving animals once they've demonstrated a propensity for violence. However, there should also be some kind of reasonable punishment for the owners. I don't know if it needs to involve prison time, but certainly there needs to be an injunction to keep them from owning animals.

[Tennesseer]

Sept 14, 2015 22:21:06 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

There are some people who believe that pitbulls are inherently dangerous. I've heard people tout incredible numbers for the PSI of a pitbull's bite, and they are of course wrong. The average domestic dog breed bite pressure is 328 PSI using a bite sleeve with instrumentation. The highest was a Rottweiler with 328, German Shepherds came in second with 238. The Pitbull came in last with 235. It is also claimed that the pit bull was created for dog fighting, and there is some history that would indicate their ancestors and similar breeds like the bull mastiff were used to intimidate enemies in tribal warfare going back to antiquity. They were also used- literally- as bull dogs-- they would jump and grab the nose of unruly bulls and hang on until the master could get control of the beast again- so there is that feature of hanging on which can make an attack by a pit bull more dangerous due to their tenacity. I've actually done a lot of reading on them because I have been alarmed at the insurance industry's (an incredibly heavily government regulated industry) efforts to achieve the wholesale elimination of some of the most cherished breeds of dogs by making them uninsurable risks.

Yea. I noticed in the video the man being attacked had no marks on him-just dog kisses. The article stated he was laying his in his own blood on the ground but I bet it was just spilled tomato juice.

[zibazinski]

I'd say put the owners down Bet thatd cut down on the dog attacks.

[justme]

Actually the true pit bulls were bred to be nanny dogs - to watch out and protect kids. However, this was back when the wilderness really was in the backyard so they were protecting kids from wild animals. Thus their animal aggressive streak that's mixed with a strong protective of their human streak.

It makes them vulnerable to manipulation by bastards, but also gives them a great shot at rehabilitation like Vicks dogs.

[happyhoix]

Sept 14, 2015 22:21:06 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

There are some people who believe that pitbulls are inherently dangerous. I've heard people tout incredible numbers for the PSI of a pitbull's bite, and they are of course wrong. The average domestic dog breed bite pressure is 328 PSI using a bite sleeve with instrumentation. The highest was a Rottweiler with 328, German Shepherds came in second with 238. The Pitbull came in last with 235. It is also claimed that the pit bull was created for dog fighting, and there is some history that would indicate their ancestors and similar breeds like the bull mastiff were used to intimidate enemies in tribal warfare going back to antiquity. They were also used- literally- as bull dogs-- they would jump and grab the nose of unruly bulls and hang on until the master could get control of the beast again- so there is that feature of hanging on which can make an attack by a pit bull more dangerous due to their tenacity. I've actually done a lot of reading on them because I have been alarmed at the insurance industry's (an incredibly heavily government regulated industry) efforts to achieve the wholesale elimination of some of the most cherished breeds of dogs by making them uninsurable risks.

Yes, the problem with the pit bulls is they bite down and lock in place. I've witnessed people trying to pry a pit bull's jaws open to make him drop his prey, and it was almost impossible.

Although I do agree the main problem is the owner who either trains him to be that way or who is ignorant about dog obedience training and fails to socialize his dog to be around other people/animals without turning on them. I always feel bad when one of these dogs is put down, because it wasn't the dog's fault - but once it's attacked a person, how could you trust it again?

[fairlycrazy23]

Most people that are bitten by a short hair dog are going to attribute it to a "pit bull", because "pit bull" is not a specific breed.
"Pit bulls" don't have any specialized jaws they don't lock and are not unusually strong for a dog there size. Pepper spay to the face of the the dog would probably work, if you can't give them something else to bite before they have you.

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

I've witnessed people trying to pry a pit bull's jaws open to make him drop his prey, and it was almost impossible

I don't think that is unique to pit bills.  We own a lab and you can't pry her jaws open to save your soul.   I've watched DH grab the stick and lift Midnight off the ground with it in her jaws. Midnight weighs 55 pounds.


I also agree that people think "pit bill" and it isn't a pit bull.   I was out walking our Aussie and a person's dog got loose.  The owner was chasing after the dog so I made Sabah sit and let the owner catch up.  We were talking as the dogs sniffed each others' butts.

This guy on a bike starts peddling around us yelling about how owning pit bulls is illegal in our county and he saw it rushing to attack my dog and he was going to report the owner blah blah.

IT wasn't a pit bull, it was an American bulldog.  I recognized the breed from the movie Homeward Bound.   The guy on the bike didn't want to hear it though.

If anyone was going to cause a problem it was the hysterical idiot on the bike. 

[justme]

Sept 15, 2015 11:30:37 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Sept 14, 2015 22:21:06 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

There are some people who believe that pitbulls are inherently dangerous. I've heard people tout incredible numbers for the PSI of a pitbull's bite, and they are of course wrong. The average domestic dog breed bite pressure is 328 PSI using a bite sleeve with instrumentation. The highest was a Rottweiler with 328, German Shepherds came in second with 238. The Pitbull came in last with 235. It is also claimed that the pit bull was created for dog fighting, and there is some history that would indicate their ancestors and similar breeds like the bull mastiff were used to intimidate enemies in tribal warfare going back to antiquity. They were also used- literally- as bull dogs-- they would jump and grab the nose of unruly bulls and hang on until the master could get control of the beast again- so there is that feature of hanging on which can make an attack by a pit bull more dangerous due to their tenacity. I've actually done a lot of reading on them because I have been alarmed at the insurance industry's (an incredibly heavily government regulated industry) efforts to achieve the wholesale elimination of some of the most cherished breeds of dogs by making them uninsurable risks.

Yes, the problem with the pit bulls is they bite down and lock in place. I've witnessed people trying to pry a pit bull's jaws open to make him drop his prey, and it was almost impossible.

Although I do agree the main problem is the owner who either trains him to be that way or who is ignorant about dog obedience training and fails to socialize his dog to be around other people/animals without turning on them. I always feel bad when one of these dogs is put down, because it wasn't the dog's fault - but once it's attacked a person, how could you trust it again?

Sigh. Pit bulls can not lock their jaw. That's a huge fallacy. Do some research before perpetuating things. Yes it takes a lot of force to open their mouth if they don't want you to. But guess what, my friend couldn't pry the mouth of his dachshund when she got something he didn't want her to have. He's not telling everyone about the amazing locking jaw that dachshunds have.

[mmhmm]

Sept 15, 2015 15:11:27 GMT -5 justme said:

Sept 15, 2015 11:30:37 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Yes, the problem with the pit bulls is they bite down and lock in place. I've witnessed people trying to pry a pit bull's jaws open to make him drop his prey, and it was almost impossible.

Although I do agree the main problem is the owner who either trains him to be that way or who is ignorant about dog obedience training and fails to socialize his dog to be around other people/animals without turning on them. I always feel bad when one of these dogs is put down, because it wasn't the dog's fault - but once it's attacked a person, how could you trust it again?

Sigh. Pit bulls can not lock their jaw. That's a huge fallacy. Do some research before perpetuating things. Yes it takes a lot of force to open their mouth if they don't want you to. But guess what, my friend couldn't pry the mouth of his dachshund when she got something he didn't want her to have. He's not telling everyone about the amazing locking jaw that dachshunds have.

Heck, I can't pry open my cat's mouth if he has something he intends to keep. I have to trick him into letting go.

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

My mom had to put her hand over their pug's nose to get him to unlock his jaws and release a chicken leg bone.

Heck I nearly have to get the jaws of life to pry things out of Abby's mouth sometimes.