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Post by garion2003 on Aug 31, 2015 8:05:41 GMT -5
I don't think it's ok to mock anyone. It's not the way I was raised to behave. Unfortunately, I forget that on occasion, but that still doesn't make it ok.
Why would it be ok to mock Christians but not to mock liberals, conservatives, young, old, black, white, gay, straight, men women....? I mock dumbasses. So if you are a Christian dumbass, a liberal dumbass, a young dumbass, an old dumbass...etc..you get mocked.
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Post by billisonboard on Aug 31, 2015 9:17:52 GMT -5
The Founding Fathers have resume material that is not connected to the slavery issue. Jefferson Davis really doesn't. I disagree. They all have basically the same "pedigree"/"resume". The Founding Fathers and Jefferson Davis owned slaves. The Founding Fathers and Jefferson Davis wrote slavery into the Founding Documents. The Founding Fathers and Jefferson Davis founded a country that (at the time) approved of slavery. The Founding Fathers and Jefferson Davis broke away from an oppressive government. Very selective list. How about adding these to the resumes of who the United States of America pictures on our money and honors with statues: Presidents of the United States. General who lead the Continental Army to victory. Author of the Declaration of Independence.
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 31, 2015 10:49:49 GMT -5
yes, everyone of them slave owners, But let'st remove Jefferson Davis statue because he was a confederate slave owner,
Yeaaa, no discrimination here.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 31, 2015 11:03:39 GMT -5
yes, everyone of them slave owners, But let'st remove Jefferson Davis statue because he was a confederate slave owner, Yeaaa, no discrimination here. it is not unusual for the victors in a war to erase the history of the vanquished.
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Post by Phoenix84 on Aug 31, 2015 15:07:42 GMT -5
I've always maintained that the only powers that symbols have are that which you give them.
So personally, I don't really care about the confederate flag or the gay pride/hate/whatever flag.
I think people just need to chill out.
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Post by Phoenix84 on Aug 31, 2015 15:09:45 GMT -5
I do think it's a bit hypocritical of the media to make any story about whites killing blacks about race, but when blacks kill whites you don't see any mention of it. Where's the pundits and opinion articles now?
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Post by Phoenix84 on Aug 31, 2015 15:22:33 GMT -5
huh? since when? seriously, i have NEVER HEARD THIS BEFORE TODAY. the poor oppressed Christians. It must be awful having to undergo the persecutions inflicted on them daily. I think it's more being deliberately obtuse in an attempt to point out some of the hypocrisy in the media and society at large. Can you imagine the hub ub if a white straight man had killed two gay black people? For the record though, I don't think Christians are really discriminated against, at least right now, in this country. I think things might be going in that direction in the next few decades though. It can't be denied that there's a lot of hostility towards Christians, and some of it is evidenced in the some of the mocking posts on this message board (such as yours). Church attendance and biblical knowledge has been on the decline for some time. As there's more ignorance of Christian doctrine and less participation, it becomes easier to marginalize people who aren't like us. It's just human nature. Persecution of Christians is still very real in many parts of the world, and throughout history.
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Post by Phoenix84 on Aug 31, 2015 15:36:48 GMT -5
I don't think it's ok to mock anyone. It's not the way I was raised to behave. Unfortunately, I forget that on occasion, but that still doesn't make it ok.
Why would it be ok to mock Christians but not to mock liberals, conservatives, young, old, black, white, gay, straight, men women....? I mock dumbasses. So if you are a Christian dumbass, a liberal dumbass, a young dumbass, an old dumbass...etc..you get mocked. How about having a thoughtful discussion on the topic instead of calling people dumbasses who don't happen to agree with you?
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Post by billisonboard on Aug 31, 2015 15:55:52 GMT -5
I mock dumbasses. So if you are a Christian dumbass, a liberal dumbass, a young dumbass, an old dumbass...etc..you get mocked. How about having a thoughtful discussion on the topic instead of calling people dumbasses who don't happen to agree with you? Is it possible to have a thoughtful discussion with a dumbass?
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Post by mmhmm on Aug 31, 2015 15:59:14 GMT -5
I don't think it's ok to mock anyone. It's not the way I was raised to behave. Unfortunately, I forget that on occasion, but that still doesn't make it ok.
Why would it be ok to mock Christians but not to mock liberals, conservatives, young, old, black, white, gay, straight, men women....? I mock dumbasses. So if you are a Christian dumbass, a liberal dumbass, a young dumbass, an old dumbass...etc..you get mocked. As long as you remember everyone who doesn't agree with you isn't a dumbass, we're golden.
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Post by Phoenix84 on Aug 31, 2015 16:18:37 GMT -5
How about having a thoughtful discussion on the topic instead of calling people dumbasses who don't happen to agree with you? Is it possible to have a thoughtful discussion with a dumbass? When you go around thinking everyone who doesn't agree with or think like you do is a dumbass, I agree, it's pretty hard.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 31, 2015 16:57:38 GMT -5
the poor oppressed Christians. It must be awful having to undergo the persecutions inflicted on them daily. I think it's more being deliberately obtuse in an attempt to point out some of the hypocrisy in the media and society at large. Can you imagine the hub ub if a white straight man had killed two gay black people? i have already addressed this twice, but i will do so for you. the media DOES have a bias. it is a bias AGAINST oppression. nobody wants to be seen as in favor of it. can you blame them? not everyone is willing to be be an asshole of Liddy or Nugent like proportions.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2015 21:21:35 GMT -5
I disagree. They all have basically the same "pedigree"/"resume". The Founding Fathers and Jefferson Davis owned slaves. The Founding Fathers and Jefferson Davis wrote slavery into the Founding Documents. The Founding Fathers and Jefferson Davis founded a country that (at the time) approved of slavery. The Founding Fathers and Jefferson Davis broke away from an oppressive government. No - not all the founding fathers owned slaves. In order to keep the wealthiest states in the new union, (which were states that relied heavily on slaves, like Virginia), the founders had to compromise and allow slavery, although several, including Jefferson, himself a slave owner, had qualms about that. Jefferson Davis was clear that he wanted a government separate from the US in order to preserve the ability of slave states to keep slaves, and didn't want the federal government interfering in that. This is very clearly outlined in documents Davis wrote at the time. I don't think we should be celebrating a man whose whole purpose in life was to maintain a lifestyle that was based on slavery. Please point out where I said "all". Thanks.
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Post by happyhoix on Sept 1, 2015 7:39:45 GMT -5
No - not all the founding fathers owned slaves. In order to keep the wealthiest states in the new union, (which were states that relied heavily on slaves, like Virginia), the founders had to compromise and allow slavery, although several, including Jefferson, himself a slave owner, had qualms about that. Jefferson Davis was clear that he wanted a government separate from the US in order to preserve the ability of slave states to keep slaves, and didn't want the federal government interfering in that. This is very clearly outlined in documents Davis wrote at the time. I don't think we should be celebrating a man whose whole purpose in life was to maintain a lifestyle that was based on slavery. Please point out where I said "all". Thanks. You stated "The Founding Fathers and Jefferson Davis owned slaves." You did NOT state "Many Founding Fathers and Jefferson Davis owned slaves." Or "Some of the Founding Fathers and Jefferson Davis owned slaves." Or "Most of the Founding Fathers and Jefferson Davis owned slaves." Or "Most of the Southern Founding Fathers and Jefferson Davis owned slaves." If you state a noun without a qualifier, you are implying the whole group is included.
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Post by garion2003 on Sept 1, 2015 7:41:53 GMT -5
Is it possible to have a thoughtful discussion with a dumbass? When you go around thinking everyone who doesn't agree with or think like you do is a dumbass, I agree, it's pretty hard.
That's not my definition of dumbass.
It's very possible to have meaningful discussion with many people. Some, however, it is not.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Sept 1, 2015 7:57:52 GMT -5
The Founding Fathers have resume material that is not connected to the slavery issue. Jefferson Davis really doesn't. I disagree. They all have basically the same "pedigree"/"resume". The Founding Fathers and Jefferson Davis owned slaves. The Founding Fathers and Jefferson Davis wrote slavery into the Founding Documents. The Founding Fathers and Jefferson Davis founded a country that (at the time) approved of slavery. The Founding Fathers and Jefferson Davis broke away from an oppressive government. The founding fathers punted on the issue of slavery, they did not embrace it and found a country upon the very institution and declare the US a "Whites Only" nation. Jefferson Davis, and the Confederate States really sorta did. The vast majority of southerners did not run off to war to defend slavery, but the leadership was decidedly pro-slavery, and espoused the racial supremacy of whites. The real Confederate flag- not the battle flag of the Army of Northern Virginia- actually has the supremacy of the white race woven into it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2015 21:10:36 GMT -5
Please point out where I said "all". Thanks. You stated "The Founding Fathers and Jefferson Davis owned slaves." You did NOT state "Many Founding Fathers and Jefferson Davis owned slaves." Or "Some of the Founding Fathers and Jefferson Davis owned slaves." Or "Most of the Founding Fathers and Jefferson Davis owned slaves." Or "Most of the Southern Founding Fathers and Jefferson Davis owned slaves." If you state a noun without a qualifier, you are implying the whole group is included. Not true. But believe it if it makes you happy. If you state a GROUP noun without a qualifier you are stating that the condition can be found within that group, not that the condition exists with every member of the group. The requirement that it is all of them would only reside in a GROUP noun with the qualifier "all" or "every". Were there Founding Fathers with slaves... yes or no? If the answer is "yes" (which it is) then the statement "The Founding Fathers had slaves" is also true.
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