I'm Starting To Think All The Angry Black People Are WHITE

[OldCoyote]

Ding, Ding, and Ding. The fact is that "Ferguson" is a lie. A man, whose skin color is irrelevant, robbed a store. A police officer heard the report and spotted someone who fit the description of the suspect. When the police officer approached, the suspect charged the police officer, grabbed his gun- which fired in the process. In the struggle, the officer got the upper hand and shot his assailant, and the suspect died. End of story. Nothing to see here. So why is Obama supporter George Soros funding this nonsense and why are we putting up with it? The answer is that Soros, Obama, Holder, Huma, Jarrett et al are all joined at the hip and yes they do dream of fomenting revolution and creating a world-wide communist / socialist new order. That's just a fact. You don't even have to own a tin foil hat to see what's right in front of you.

Paul you are an investigator of sorts,  If you take time to look at the shell locations, the bullet hole in the buildings,   looks to me like the fat boy could not out run the cop.

The fat boy was running for his life,  just trying to get away.  he was too fat, too slow.  this also goes for the shell casing outside of the police truck which show the door was open.

[Virgil Showlion]

Aug 20, 2015 10:15:25 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Aug 20, 2015 8:17:51 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

billisonboard has come out before stating that such a coup would be so difficult to pull off that it would realistically be impossible.

Maybe you could give us a blueprint of how such a coup would take place.

Well, social media is not the friend of coups these days, so my guess is that any effective coup would have to isolate people. My thought has long been an EMP strike- which could explain why Obama is in such a hurry to ensure Iran can develop a nuclear weapon.  Who the hell knows- maybe he'll just hand them one.  You have to remember- after an EMP, comes darkness.  It won't matter who knows what.  It will probably take a couple weeks for people to figure out the juice is not just going to come back on- most people's cars won't work, generators will be fried, and how long do Type 1 diabetics have without refrigerated insulin, anyway? People on dialysis?  Life support? Folks in nursing homes?  Store shelves probably have 3 days-- cash will still be good though until people figure out every asset they have is gone, and the only assets that matter are food and medicine.  The point is that it's a very fragile world we live in, it can be gone in an instant- and then we'll all have bigger fish to fry than little Barry's coup-- and by the time we figure out what's going on, the world order will have changed and there won't be a damn thing we can do about it.  www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/aug/18/jams-woolsey-peter-pry-emp-a-shariah-approved-nucl/


thesurvivalmom.com/15-things-i-learned-from-one-second-after/

I'm actually fascinated by these blue-sky theories, just as a matter of academic curiosity.

I've read that large-scale EMP weapons are a myth. I have seen demonstrations of aircraft-mounted EM cannons that can "sort of" wipe out the electronics in a building, but large-scale weapons are still in the realm of science fiction as far as I'm concerned.

I specialized in EM field theory during my Master's degree. Generating powerful non-propagating EM modes over even modest distances takes an absurd amount of power. You might as well just drop a nuke.

If Pres. Obama is going to generate a crisis and take over the US, it's not going to be with an EMP weapon.

ETA: I see the article basically is talking about detonating a nuke in the atmosphere. It would have to be one mother of a nuke to generate even the tiniest effect over the distances it's suggesting.

[mmhmm]

Aug 20, 2015 6:06:57 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Aug 19, 2015 22:13:24 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

I didn't realize there was anyone who didn't already know Shaun King is white. He's never made a secret of being biracial. He's black & white. So what? 

But, is he really bi-racial?

I'd understood he was; however, I wasn't there at his birth and haven't met his parents. Have you?

[djAdvocate]

Aug 20, 2015 7:07:44 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Aug 19, 2015 22:46:48 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

also: what is wrong with liberals absorbed with racial justice?  i kinda figured that is how it SHOULD be.

Um, I didn't say absorbed with racial justice. I said obsessed with race. 

right, and when you say that, it means the same thing as "absorbed with racial justice" means to me. 

However, since you bring it up- there's no such thing as "racial justice", or "social justice". There is only justice.  True justice doesn't need a modifier.

true.  but for many years, our system of JUSTICE did not guarantee RACIAL JUSTICE.  that is why it got it's own term, Paul.

[djAdvocate]

Aug 20, 2015 7:58:39 GMT -5 Waffle said:

Aug 20, 2015 7:15:15 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

The larger point I would make is that these people are tools- this isn't about race at all. This is about the dream of the 1960's communist revolutionaries- of which Obama and Holder (to name just a few) are two- of sparking social unrest to foment revolution. I personally believe that Obama's real aim is to disrupt the 2016 election with civil unrest, declare some sort of emergency and cling to power.  Obama is the Great Destroyer- his aim is to destroy the United States.

Obama was all of 8 years old in 1969, hardly a 1960s communist revolutionary. And for the record, I don't believe his aim is to destroy the United States.

of course not.  that would be insane. 

[mmhmm]

Aug 20, 2015 8:09:39 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

Aug 19, 2015 22:13:24 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

I didn't realize there was anyone who didn't already know Shaun King is white. He's never made a secret of being biracial. He's black & white. So what? 

According to the article, he's not even biracial. Just a white man pretending to be black in order to qualify for scholarships, etc.

That's not what I've understood from people who know him, Virgil, and that information was shared before this article came up. As I said, I've never met his parents; nor, have I met him personally. That said, there are quite a few people who aren't black who support the movement. It's really not that important, to me. He could be green as far as I'm concerned. 

[djAdvocate]

Aug 20, 2015 10:15:25 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Aug 20, 2015 8:17:51 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

billisonboard has come out before stating that such a coup would be so difficult to pull off that it would realistically be impossible.

Maybe you could give us a blueprint of how such a coup would take place.

Well, social media is not the friend of coups these days, so my guess is that any effective coup would have to isolate people. My thought has long been an EMP strike- which could explain why Obama is in such a hurry to ensure Iran can develop a nuclear weapon. 

omfg.  does the lunatic paranoia of the right know no limits

[djAdvocate]

Aug 20, 2015 10:53:41 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

Aug 20, 2015 10:15:25 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Well, social media is not the friend of coups these days, so my guess is that any effective coup would have to isolate people. My thought has long been an EMP strike- which could explain why Obama is in such a hurry to ensure Iran can develop a nuclear weapon.  Who the hell knows- maybe he'll just hand them one.  You have to remember- after an EMP, comes darkness.  It won't matter who knows what.  It will probably take a couple weeks for people to figure out the juice is not just going to come back on- most people's cars won't work, generators will be fried, and how long do Type 1 diabetics have without refrigerated insulin, anyway? People on dialysis?  Life support? Folks in nursing homes?  Store shelves probably have 3 days-- cash will still be good though until people figure out every asset they have is gone, and the only assets that matter are food and medicine.  The point is that it's a very fragile world we live in, it can be gone in an instant- and then we'll all have bigger fish to fry than little Barry's coup-- and by the time we figure out what's going on, the world order will have changed and there won't be a damn thing we can do about it.  www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/aug/18/jams-woolsey-peter-pry-emp-a-shariah-approved-nucl/


thesurvivalmom.com/15-things-i-learned-from-one-second-after/

I'm actually fascinated by these blue-sky theories, just as a matter of academic curiosity.

I've read that large-scale EMP weapons are a myth. I have seen demonstrations of aircraft-mounted EM cannons that can "sort of" wipe out the electronics in a building, but large-scale weapons are still in the realm of science fiction as far as I'm concerned.

I specialized in EM field theory during my Master's degree. Generating powerful non-propagating EM modes over even modest distances takes an absurd amount of power. You might as well just drop a nuke.

If Pres. Obama is going to generate a crisis and take over the US, it's not going to be with an EMP weapon.

ETA: I see the article basically is talking about detonating a nuke in the atmosphere. It would have to be one mother of a nuke to generate even the tiniest effect over the distances it's suggesting.

stop being a scientist.  you are ruining all the juicy fear mongering.

[Virgil Showlion]

Aug 20, 2015 11:08:34 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

Aug 20, 2015 8:09:39 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

According to the article, he's not even biracial. Just a white man pretending to be black in order to qualify for scholarships, etc.

That's not what I've understood from people who know him, Virgil, and that information was shared before this article came up. As I said, I've never met his parents; nor, have I met him personally. That said, there are quite a few people who aren't black who support the movement. It's really not that important, to me. He could be green as far as I'm concerned. 

According to the article, the parent he claims is black is his father. They then point out that his father is listed as "white" both on his birth certificate and in the Kentucky Department of Vital Statistics. They also show a picture of the guy, who's as white as snow.

Hence unless they're lying/mistaken about the vital statistics, photo, etc. (which is possible), they're absolutely right to call BS on his "bi-racial" claim. If that guy isn't white, I'm going to swap out my official race and earn me some race bux too.

[mmhmm]

Aug 20, 2015 11:17:32 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

Aug 20, 2015 11:08:34 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

That's not what I've understood from people who know him, Virgil, and that information was shared before this article came up. As I said, I've never met his parents; nor, have I met him personally. That said, there are quite a few people who aren't black who support the movement. It's really not that important, to me. He could be green as far as I'm concerned. 

According to the article, the parent he claims is black is his father. They then point out that his father is listed as "white" both on his birth certificate and in the Kentucky Department of Vital Statistics. They also show a picture of the guy, who's as white as snow.

Hence unless they're lying/mistaken about the vital statistics, photo, etc. (which is possible), they're absolutely right to call BS on his "bi-racial" claim. If that guy isn't white, I'm going to swap out my official race and earn me some race bux too.

As I said, Virgil, I have communicated with people who know him. I tend to take their word; however, that was before this dust-up presented itself. When push comes to shove, I don't really care what color the man's skin is. It's just not important to me. I'll let others angst over this.

[billisonboard]

Aug 20, 2015 10:53:41 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

...

If Pres. Obama is going to generate a crisis and take over the US, it's not going to be with an EMP weapon.

I love to read good fantasy books. One requirement for the books to be "good" is that they have a consistent internal logic to the world that is created.

The EMP attack that Paul suggests, possible or not, would destroy the country but he talks about a communist take over of the country, i.e. no consistent internal logic to the threat we are facing.  It is so "mushy" what the threat is that one can't counter it effectively.;

[Virgil Showlion]

Aug 20, 2015 11:30:30 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Aug 20, 2015 10:53:41 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

...

If Pres. Obama is going to generate a crisis and take over the US, it's not going to be with an EMP weapon.

I love to read good fantasy books. One requirement for the books to be "good" is that they have a consistent internal logic to the world that is created.

The EMP attack that Paul suggests, possible or not, would destroy the country but he talks about a communist take over of the country, i.e. no consistent internal logic to the threat we are facing.  It is so "mushy" what the threat is that one can't counter it effectively.;

It wouldn't completely obliterate the country. It would create chaos, havoc, and a tremendous humanitarian crisis that would necessitate (or at least provide a pretext to) a monumental, exceptional, justifiably brutal federal response. The kind that would be necessary for regime change.

It behooves us to imagine what might be possible if a great cataclysm such a full-on attack on the US electrical grid was perpetrated. Paul is right to indicate it would devastate markets and commerce. Industry would grind to a halt. Cities would explode into civil unrest. Starvation, lack of fuel, lack of heating, lack of water, severe shortages of all consumer goods would all be widespread reality. I daresay the federal government could do pretty much whatever it wanted to.

Then the question becomes: is it reasonable to believe that what the federal government would do under Pres. Obama is to consolidate all power to the federal executive branch, which would be de facto communism?

Backing up even further: presuming it were possible for Pres. Obama to accomplish such a feat, what evidence is there that he would attempt to do so? What evidence is there that he craves a communistic system so desperately that he'd plunge the US into chaos in order to obtain it? Is he so fanatical?

Obviously Paul believes the answer to the last question is "Yes", and he bases it on Pres. Obama's admittedly leftist ideology, activist past, and poor track record as President.

No matter how unlikely, can we weave everything together into a single narrative that makes sense?

[djAdvocate]

in my opinion?  no.

what about yours?

[Virgil Showlion]

Aug 20, 2015 12:39:17 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

in my opinion?  no.

what about yours?

I don't think Pres. Obama is plotting an Alinskiesque takeover, no.

I do think that if the US electrical grid ever suffers a major attack, all bets are off on what the US--if there even is a "US"--looks like politically after the smoke has cleared.

I think of society as a great deal more fragile than you, billis, and most of YMAM do. As far as I'm concerned, Ferguson is closer to being a reality in most US cities than most dare imagine. Moreover, even in these times of free money, unprecedented social welfare payouts, and relative political stability we've witnessed sweeping abuses of government power, compounding on one another. When the next 9/11 happens, well...

[billisonboard]

Aug 20, 2015 13:05:26 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

Aug 20, 2015 12:39:17 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

in my opinion?  no.

what about yours?

I don't think Pres. Obama is plotting an Alinskiesque takeover, no.

I do think that if the US electrical grid ever suffers a major attack, all bets are off on what the US--if there even is a "US"--looks like politically after the smoke has cleared.

I think of society as a great deal more fragile than you, billis, and most of YMAM do. As far as I'm concerned, Ferguson is closer to being a reality in most US cities than most dare imagine. Moreover, even in these times of free money, unprecedented social welfare payouts, and relative political stability we've witnessed sweeping abuses of government power, compounding on one another. When the next 9/11 happens, well...

I can see things falling apart. What I can't see is the United States Federal Government being able to step in and take any sense of meaningful control if/when it does.

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I going to hold judgement on this one.  It wouldn't be the first time the wrong daddy was listed on a birth certificate. 

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Aug 20, 2015 11:11:46 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Aug 20, 2015 10:15:25 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Well, social media is not the friend of coups these days, so my guess is that any effective coup would have to isolate people. My thought has long been an EMP strike- which could explain why Obama is in such a hurry to ensure Iran can develop a nuclear weapon. 

omfg.  does the lunatic paranoia of the right know no limits

Ten years ago I would have said that the thought of revolution fomented in the wake of a planned crisis was the kind of 9-11 truther talk I have no patience for-- I still have no patience for 9-11 truthers-- was crazy, paranoid, or whatever.

Now, I think if you don't have the idea of a massive catastrophe at the hands of our enemies- both foreign and domestic- is not at least in some stage of planning, you are neither well-informed, nor well-adjusted.  

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Aug 20, 2015 13:35:37 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Aug 20, 2015 13:05:26 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

I don't think Pres. Obama is plotting an Alinskiesque takeover, no.

I do think that if the US electrical grid ever suffers a major attack, all bets are off on what the US--if there even is a "US"--looks like politically after the smoke has cleared.

I think of society as a great deal more fragile than you, billis, and most of YMAM do. As far as I'm concerned, Ferguson is closer to being a reality in most US cities than most dare imagine. Moreover, even in these times of free money, unprecedented social welfare payouts, and relative political stability we've witnessed sweeping abuses of government power, compounding on one another. When the next 9/11 happens, well...

I can see things falling apart. What I can't see is the United States Federal Government being able to step in and take any sense of meaningful control if/when it does.

Ferguson is a nice testing ground.  I think what you're going to see happen there is a DEMAND by the people for whatever force is necessary to restore order-- and they'll praise whatever obnoxious overuse of force is employed.

[Value Buy]

Aug 20, 2015 13:35:37 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Aug 20, 2015 13:05:26 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

I don't think Pres. Obama is plotting an Alinskiesque takeover, no.

I do think that if the US electrical grid ever suffers a major attack, all bets are off on what the US--if there even is a "US"--looks like politically after the smoke has cleared.

I think of society as a great deal more fragile than you, billis, and most of YMAM do. As far as I'm concerned, Ferguson is closer to being a reality in most US cities than most dare imagine. Moreover, even in these times of free money, unprecedented social welfare payouts, and relative political stability we've witnessed sweeping abuses of government power, compounding on one another. When the next 9/11 happens, well...

I can see things falling apart. What I can't see is the United States Federal Government being able to step in and take any sense of meaningful control if/when it does.

Maybe they could start by defending the border?
Nah, marshal law in all the big cities would be more important.

[billisonboard]

Aug 20, 2015 10:15:25 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Well, social media is not the friend of coups these days, so my guess is that any effective coup would have to isolate people. My thought has long been an EMP strike- which could explain why Obama is in such a hurry to ensure Iran can develop a nuclear weapon.  Who the hell knows- maybe he'll just hand them one.  You have to remember- after an EMP, comes darkness.  It won't matter who knows what.

Aug 20, 2015 14:52:19 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Ferguson is a nice testing ground.  I think what you're going to see happen there is a DEMAND by the people for whatever force is necessary to restore order-- and they'll praise whatever obnoxious overuse of force is employed.

The people will have to be isolated and will rise up collectively to make demands/give praise? As I stated, no consistency. 

[djAdvocate]

Aug 20, 2015 14:49:12 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Aug 20, 2015 11:11:46 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

omfg.  does the lunatic paranoia of the right know no limits

Ten years ago I would have said that the thought of revolution fomented in the wake of a planned crisis was the kind of 9-11 truther talk I have no patience for-- I still have no patience for 9-11 truthers-- was crazy, paranoid, or whatever.

Now, I think if you don't have the idea of a massive catastrophe at the hands of our enemies- both foreign and domestic- is not at least in some stage of planning, you are neither well-informed, nor well-adjusted.  

no, what i am laughing about is that somehow that our paperweight president would ever even CONCEIVE of anything as evil as you claim.



if that is what you mean by "domestic", then yes.  i really do think you are at the very edge of sanity, Paul.

[djAdvocate]

Aug 20, 2015 14:52:19 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Aug 20, 2015 13:35:37 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

I can see things falling apart. What I can't see is the United States Federal Government being able to step in and take any sense of meaningful control if/when it does.

Ferguson is a nice testing ground.  I think what you're going to see happen there is a DEMAND by the people for whatever force is necessary to restore order-- and they'll praise whatever obnoxious overuse of force is employed.

Ferguson is a local matter.  i suspect that every locality would deal with this differently, and very few would do worse than those Ferguson cops.

[Virgil Showlion]

Aug 20, 2015 13:35:37 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Aug 20, 2015 13:05:26 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

I don't think Pres. Obama is plotting an Alinskiesque takeover, no.

I do think that if the US electrical grid ever suffers a major attack, all bets are off on what the US--if there even is a "US"--looks like politically after the smoke has cleared.

I think of society as a great deal more fragile than you, billis, and most of YMAM do. As far as I'm concerned, Ferguson is closer to being a reality in most US cities than most dare imagine. Moreover, even in these times of free money, unprecedented social welfare payouts, and relative political stability we've witnessed sweeping abuses of government power, compounding on one another. When the next 9/11 happens, well...

I can see things falling apart. What I can't see is the United States Federal Government being able to step in and take any sense of meaningful control if/when it does.

Touche!

[Virgil Showlion]

Aug 20, 2015 17:17:17 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Aug 20, 2015 14:52:19 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Ferguson is a nice testing ground.  I think what you're going to see happen there is a DEMAND by the people for whatever force is necessary to restore order-- and they'll praise whatever obnoxious overuse of force is employed.

Ferguson is a local matter.  i suspect that every locality would deal with this differently, and very few would do worse than those Ferguson cops.

It's not the cops I'm worried about.

Ferguson was stabilized (sort of) because they brought in an army's worth of reserve officers and additional equipment.

[billisonboard]

Aug 20, 2015 17:22:58 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

Aug 20, 2015 17:17:17 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Ferguson is a local matter.  i suspect that every locality would deal with this differently, and very few would do worse than those Ferguson cops.

It's not the cops I'm worried about.

Ferguson was stabilized (sort of) because they brought in an army's worth of reserve officers and additional equipment.

And when there are hundreds, if not thousands, of "Ferguson's" taking place at once there will be no reserves to draw from.

[djAdvocate]

Aug 20, 2015 17:22:58 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

Aug 20, 2015 17:17:17 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Ferguson is a local matter.  i suspect that every locality would deal with this differently, and very few would do worse than those Ferguson cops.

It's not the cops I'm worried about.

Ferguson was stabilized (sort of) because they brought in an army's worth of reserve officers and additional equipment.

i am more worried about the militarization of Ferguson than any other aspect of it.  far more worried.  are we on the same page?

[Tennesseer]

Aug 20, 2015 17:28:39 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Aug 20, 2015 17:22:58 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

It's not the cops I'm worried about.

Ferguson was stabilized (sort of) because they brought in an army's worth of reserve officers and additional equipment.

And when there are hundreds, if not thousands, of "Ferguson's" taking place at once there will be no reserves to draw from.

I found this a bit bizarre yesterday.

Oath Keepers Want to Arm Ferguson Protesters

The Oath Keepers, an activist group comprised mostly of current and former soldiers, police and first responders who profess to defend the Constitution, especially the Second Amendment, are encouraging African-Americans in Ferguson, Missouri, to arm themselves to prevent police abuse, St. Louis–area Oath Keeper Sam Andrews tells Newsweek.   

The Oath Keepers drew significant media attention last week when several heavily armed members arrived in Ferguson amid violent protests. On the anniversary of Michael Brown's death, 18-year-old Tyrone Harris was shot by police after allegedly firing at them. The Oath Keepers said they were there to protect local businesses and escort some journalists.

Andrews, an engineer who has worked as a Department of Defense contractor, says the Oath Keepers have learned that many African-American protesters and residents are fearful of bearing arms. He says many African-Americans in Ferguson told him they feel that if they carried the same weapons as Oath Keepers, police would kill them.

Oath Keepers Want to Arm Ferguson Protesters

[Virgil Showlion]

Aug 20, 2015 17:28:39 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Aug 20, 2015 17:22:58 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

It's not the cops I'm worried about.

Ferguson was stabilized (sort of) because they brought in an army's worth of reserve officers and additional equipment.

And when there are hundreds, if not thousands, of "Ferguson's" taking place at once there will be no reserves to draw from.

Precisely. The exact circumstances that time and again turned people's hearts toward a strong leader who'll put his foot down and do what has to be done to restore order and security.

Whether that's a US President, I don't know, but as CiC of the world's largest military, one has to think the new power bloc would likely grow out of that group of people.

[billisonboard]

Aug 20, 2015 17:46:00 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

Aug 20, 2015 17:28:39 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

And when there are hundreds, if not thousands, of "Ferguson's" taking place at once there will be no reserves to draw from.

Precisely. The exact circumstances that time and again turned people's hearts toward a strong leader who'll put his foot down and do what has to be done to restore order and security.

Whether that's a US President, I don't know, but as CiC of the world's largest military, one has to think the new power bloc would likely grow out of that group of people.

Seems that it is usually a military man, not the civilian leadership, that militaries follow when civilian control breaks down.

[Virgil Showlion]

Aug 20, 2015 17:52:44 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Aug 20, 2015 17:46:00 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

Precisely. The exact circumstances that time and again turned people's hearts toward a strong leader who'll put his foot down and do what has to be done to restore order and security.

Whether that's a US President, I don't know, but as CiC of the world's largest military, one has to think the new power bloc would likely grow out of that group of people.

Seems that it is usually a military man, not the civilian leadership, that militaries follow when civilian control breaks down.

I daresay "usually" that's the case, but there are notable exceptions, including Hitler and Hussein, both of whom rose though political ranks during periods of unrest/factionalism.