AZ Limits Welfare To Twelve Months Lifetime Benefits.

[OldCoyote]

The AZ governor signs a bill limiting lifetime welfare to twelve months.

www.usnews.com/news/us/articles/2015/05/18/facing-1-billion-deficit-arizona-sharply-limits-welfare

[resolution]

Have to offset corporate tax cuts somewhere...

[Deleted]

The program they are cutting is 100% federally funded; so they are diverting funds. If they are turning off the program, shouldn't the federal government be able to terminate that funding to AZ?

Arizona's welfare is entirely federally funded through the Temporary Assistance for Needy Families program, but that money comes in a block grant, and Republicans want to use it instead for agencies such as the state's Department of Child Safety.

Seems a bit extreme to limit it to 12 months when as recently as 2 years ago the recession was leaving people on UEI for over 12 months.

I think this just means that dependent people that are using the program will migrate to another state. CA & NM probably get the brunt of it. AZ makes some very interesting decisions for themselves as a state.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

May 19, 2015 21:39:44 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

The AZ governor signs a bill limiting lifetime welfare to twelve months.

www.usnews.com/news/us/articles/2015/05/18/facing-1-billion-deficit-arizona-sharply-limits-welfare

AKA the, "You Have 1 Year to Move Back To California" Act. 

[djAdvocate]

May 20, 2015 7:03:15 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

May 19, 2015 21:39:44 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

The AZ governor signs a bill limiting lifetime welfare to twelve months.

www.usnews.com/news/us/articles/2015/05/18/facing-1-billion-deficit-arizona-sharply-limits-welfare

AKA the, "You Have 1 Year to Move Back To California" Act. 

or Las Vegas.....or New Mexico.....or Colorado.......

[busymom]

Back in the 70's, Oregon used to give Greyhound Bus tickets to "encourage" welfare recipients to move elsewhere.  I can already imagine a lot of people moving out of Arizona in the next 12 months (which is probably what the creator of the bill hoped for...).

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

May 20, 2015 11:29:23 GMT -5 busymom said:

Back in the 70's, Oregon used to give Greyhound Bus tickets to "encourage" welfare recipients to move elsewhere.  I can already imagine a lot of people moving out of Arizona in the next 12 months (which is probably what the creator of the bill hoped for...).

That would be my hope.

[NastyWoman]

May 20, 2015 14:40:07 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

May 20, 2015 11:29:23 GMT -5 busymom said:

Back in the 70's, Oregon used to give Greyhound Bus tickets to "encourage" welfare recipients to move elsewhere.  I can already imagine a lot of people moving out of Arizona in the next 12 months (which is probably what the creator of the bill hoped for...).

That would be my hope.

I vote we give them all tickets to Florida since SCP would love to see all these people move elsewhere...

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

May 20, 2015 14:43:29 GMT -5 NastyWoman said:

May 20, 2015 14:40:07 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

That would be my hope.

I vote we give them all tickets to Florida since SCP would love to see all these people move elsewhere...

I vote we move them all to lilly white rich liberal communities, and then cut them off.  Let the people who SAY they care SHOW they care.

[NastyWoman]

Let the people who SAY they care SHOW they care

and let the people who SAY they want welfare receipients to move elsewhere SHOW they mean it by embracing them when they move to your state

[happyhoix]

May 20, 2015 14:50:52 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

May 20, 2015 14:43:29 GMT -5 NastyWoman said:

I vote we give them all tickets to Florida since SCP would love to see all these people move elsewhere...

I vote we move them all to lilly white rich liberal communities, and then cut them off.  Let the people who SAY they care SHOW they care.

Ok, as long as all the anti-abortion folks run out and adopt half a dozen kids from foster care.

If you love kids, prove it.

[happyhoix]

May 20, 2015 11:29:23 GMT -5 busymom said:

Back in the 70's, Oregon used to give Greyhound Bus tickets to "encourage" welfare recipients to move elsewhere.  I can already imagine a lot of people moving out of Arizona in the next 12 months (which is probably what the creator of the bill hoped for...).

I believe a lot of states now have length of residence requirements, to avoid benefit shopping.

Because if people on welfare could migrate to states with better benefits, Georgia wouldn't have any poor people at all, because GA makes every effort to kick everyone off their welfare rolls, even the highly eligible ones.

[The Captain]

Oh FFS!  Can't we have a discussion without it degenerating into a bunch of little snipes?

For example resolution posted this, and there is some truth to the statement:

Have to offset corporate tax cuts somewhere...

What I would like to know is if there has ever been any analysis to determine how many jobs those corporate tax cuts actually attracted?  Wasn't that part of the original argument when they were made?

Corporations are playing states, and even cities off each other in what has been called a race to the bottom.  From a tax perspective TX and CA are very anti-business but you still have companies flocking to those states. 

If those tax breaks in AZ supposedly attracted all this business then there should have been jobs added, right?  Where is the proof of that?

[resolution]

In all fairness, they just started phasing in the tax cuts less than a year ago, so it would be too soon to measure the effectiveness.

www.treoaz.org/index.php/news-center/economic-news/38-news-center/economic-news/310-arizona-competitiveness-package

Corporate Income Tax: Reduce the corporate tax rate from 6.97% to 4.9% between FY 2015 and FY 2018. This change would improve Arizona’s national ranking from 24 to number 5 nationally, and from 6 to number 3 in the Mountain West.

[OldCoyote]

This is a tough choice,  Having Corp. move to AZ or having a bunch of people on welfare here,  Hmmm.

www.azcommerce.com/news-events/company-announcements

[OldCoyote]

At one of the business that I managed was a young woman there that had five kids from five different fathers,

needed to have one more kid so she could collect enough money through ADC that she would not have to work any more!

[djAdvocate]

May 20, 2015 19:30:13 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

At one of the business that I managed was a young woman there that had five kids from five different fathers,

needed to have one more kid so she could collect enough money through ADC that she would not have to work any more!

how does that work?  show us the math.

[OldCoyote]

Aid to dependent children,  this quite a ways back, I am only quoting what she said.

she also did not mention five different fathers, but that was the rumor, but she did say that she needed to have one more kid.

[weltschmerz]

May 20, 2015 19:46:12 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

Aid to dependent children,  this quite a ways back, I am only quoting what she said.

she also did not mention five different fathers, but that was the rumor, but she did say that she needed to have one more kid.

Rumour isn't fact. You presented it as a fact.

At one of the business that I managed was a young woman there that had five kids from five different fathers,

Did she actually tell you she wanted one more kid so she'd never have to work again, or are you making that up, too?

[djAdvocate]

May 20, 2015 19:46:12 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

Aid to dependent children,  this quite a ways back, I am only quoting what she said.

she also did not mention five different fathers, but that was the rumor, but she did say that she needed to have one more kid.

ok, you won't mind if i dismiss the comment then, right?

[OldCoyote]

May 20, 2015 19:55:03 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

May 20, 2015 19:46:12 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

Aid to dependent children,  this quite a ways back, I am only quoting what she said.

she also did not mention five different fathers, but that was the rumor, but she did say that she needed to have one more kid.

Rumour isn't fact. You presented it as a fact.

At one of the business that I managed was a young woman there that had five kids from five different fathers,

Did she actually tell you she wanted one more kid so she'd never have to work again, or are you making that up, too?

What did I make up Welts?

[weltschmerz]

Read my post again. It's pretty clear.

You said five kids by five different fathers, but don't really know. You based that "fact" on a rumour.

[OldCoyote]

The five different fathers part came from friends of hers that I worked with on that same job.

[NastyWoman]

Maybe, if a state is so willing to it's dependent members on other states, it's time that we stop welfare for states as well. Arizona, like Florida and many other states, already are carried by those "liberal" states and by Texas which somehow got sucked in as well. So how about in 12 months Arizona and the others gets kicked of the Federal teat? (See link below) Better yet, after all these years of taking how about they start giving for a change?

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_taxation_and_spending_by_state

[djAdvocate]

states that tax enough are subsidizing those that don't tax enough.

meanwhile, those that don't tax enough, have the gall to criticize those that tax enough, even though they are, effectively, "stealing" their money, to use a favored expression on the right.

i could get mad about it, but i am far too charitable.  rather, i wish they would just get real and or stfu.

[OldCoyote]

One of the problems that AZ has is Revenue compared to Spending is the amount of money the Feds put into the reservations, Three of the ten largest reservations are located in AZ,

Which have very high unemployment and very high poverty rate.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

May 20, 2015 15:04:20 GMT -5 NastyWoman said:

Let the people who SAY they care SHOW they care

and let the people who SAY they want welfare receipients to move elsewhere SHOW they mean it by embracing them when they move to your state

Oh, I can see we don't know each other very well. I do not want a society where anyone steals from anyone else- and I really don't care if the government is their agent in the armed robbery-- theft, is theft, and I'd put a total stop to it.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

May 21, 2015 0:54:48 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

states that tax enough are subsidizing those that don't tax enough.

meanwhile, those that don't tax enough, have the gall to criticize those that tax enough, even though they are, effectively, "stealing" their money, to use a favored expression on the right.

i could get mad about it, but i am far too charitable.  rather, i wish they would just get real and or stfu.

States that tax enough?  Interesting outlook. I'm sure you understand that there are states that live within their means, and states that SPEND TOO MUCH.  Why the pointless partisan rhetoric?

[Angel!]

May 19, 2015 23:30:57 GMT -5 @rockit said:

The program they are cutting is 100% federally funded; so they are diverting funds. If they are turning off the program, shouldn't the federal government be able to terminate that funding to AZ?

I would think that will ultimately happen. I think that generally when the feds give out money for X, they want that money used for X. I don't think you'll keep getting the money if you cut the program.

Our entire welfare system is setup up poorly, but this is not a fix. This is only a fix if people choose welfare as a lifestyle. Generally there are a lot more reasons involved including lack of education, mental illness, and lack of opportunities and transportation.

If you want to fix welfare, first focus on why people end up on welfare. Our current system barely touches this. Then setup the program without the huge steps in benefits. Make it so you are always better off getting a job, working more hours, or getting a raise. Right now many have it so that an extra $100 a month in income could cost you thousands in benefits, so people get stuck without a way to move up.

It kind of makes me sad that instead of fixing the huge flaws in a program that helps so many, they instead just cut short the program. Very shortsighted approach and shows a complete lack of understanding as to why people end up in poverty.

[wvugurl26]

It is federally funded but it's a block grant meaning you get a set amount to distribute as the state sees fit. You don't get more money just because you have more people using it. I believe I saw projections that showed them big time in the red if it continued growing at the current rate.

That's why people want to turn Medicaid into a block grant. Way less oversight responsibilities and the federal contribution is a defined, known amount.