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Post by zibazinski on May 18, 2015 6:45:27 GMT -5
Whine. Throws tantrum and hands up in the air. "What difference does it make now?"
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Post by happyhoix on May 18, 2015 7:29:15 GMT -5
There is a small garden center in the little Southern town I live in - I noticed the other day it has two 3 foot tall Greek type statues of young men (mock David statues) and both of them are wearing little girl skirts. One is flowery, the other appears to be a green/pink/white plaid skirt.
Possibly they put skirts on the statues because they didn't want to offend the Bible Belt sensibilities of our townspeople. But this little garden center is directly across the street from the evangelical church that posts anti-gay messages on their message board a lot (which has caused some controversy in our little newspaper and the local social media pages). So this makes me wonder if the garden center is making a little gay humor by putting these two girly skirt wearing male statues right up next to the road, staring across at the church lot.
I mean, they could have wrapped their stony loins in burlap or even a black trash bag, rather than the little girl skirts, if their only concern was hiding the concrete candy.
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Post by Value Buy on May 18, 2015 8:10:02 GMT -5
I can appreciate good art... Monet, Van Gogh, da Vinci, Rubens, et cetera... I can even appreciate SOME of Picasso's work (" Mother and Child" or " Three Women at the Spring", just for a couple of examples)... but the weird stuff that looks like a 4 year old could have done? Sorry. Can't appreciate that just because Picasso did it. Just simply can't bring myself to appreciate it. I do not call what Elephants create with their brush in their trunk, art, but at least, I can believe they are working up to their potential using a trunk, and creating art to the best of their ability. Picasso, not so much
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2015 8:15:01 GMT -5
Bluebeard is my favorite Vonnegut book. In it a character is challenged by his wife who has read that the reason modern artists paint 'that way' is because they cannot paint real images. He goes to the wall and immediately draws the faces of his sleeping children not in the room. Astounded she asks why, if he can do that, he doesn't. Qualifying that this is the only time he has ever swore to his wife, he replies 'because it's just too f-ing easy'...
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Post by ArchietheDragon on May 18, 2015 8:23:49 GMT -5
So the real question is at what point does art become vulgar? And the more famous the artist the more leeway they are given?
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2015 8:26:35 GMT -5
Are naked forms inherently vulgar? I don't think so.
I think certain acts are vulgar. So maybe if art included those acts ?
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Post by ArchietheDragon on May 18, 2015 8:28:08 GMT -5
Are naked forms inherently vulgar? I don't think so. I think certain acts are vulgar. So maybe if art included those acts ? naked forms are against the law, so I bet most thing they are vulgar.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 18, 2015 10:52:56 GMT -5
hobby or profession? Depends on how you define "profession"... some people say it's a profession from the moment you get paid for it (no matter what "it" is). I didn't end up making a living doing it (obviously, since I'm in the motel business, and have been in "guest services" for over 20 years)... and it did start out as a hobby... a couple of the ones I sold were "painted to order"... so... where does the line get crossed? i think it is rather random. but for me, it is when art becomes the focus of your life- your reason for existing. i don't even think it has to be the SOURCE of your sustenance. you have to be really great for that to happen. but i would say that an obsessive interest and thirst for art is what separates the artist from the hobbyist. a hobbyist does it for fun. an artist does it because he or she feels compelled above and beyond all other things. for such a person, art is a cathartic experience and way further up Maslow's ladder than it is for the rest of us.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 18, 2015 10:56:08 GMT -5
Bluebeard is my favorite Vonnegut book. In it a character is challenged by his wife who has read that the reason modern artist paint 'that way' is because they cannot paint real images. He goes to the walk immediately and draws the faces of his sleeping children not in the room. Astounded she asks why, if he can do that, he doesn't. Qualifying that this is the only time he has ever swore to his wife, he replies 'because it's just too f-ing easy'... precisely. for Picasso, rendering was BORING. if you can render PERFECTLY (he could), what point is there in doing it? to please people who want perfectly rendered pieces? there are plenty of artists that will do that for coin. and it is a well traveled path. so why bother? besides, since photographs took over, image work has become rather redundant. that is why artists have moved beyond realism. to capture things that cannot be captured in a picture.
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Post by Tennesseer on May 18, 2015 11:19:16 GMT -5
Bluebeard is my favorite Vonnegut book. In it a character is challenged by his wife who has read that the reason modern artist paint 'that way' is because they cannot paint real images. He goes to the walk immediately and draws the faces of his sleeping children not in the room. Astounded she asks why, if he can do that, he doesn't. Qualifying that this is the only time he has ever swore to his wife, he replies 'because it's just too f-ing easy'... precisely. for Picasso, rendering was BORING. if you can render PERFECTLY (he could), what point is there in doing it? to please people who want perfectly rendered pieces? there are plenty of artists that will do that for coin. and it is a well traveled path. so why bother? besides, since photographs took over, image work has become rather redundant. that is why artists have moved beyond realism. to capture things that cannot be captured in a picture. One of my favorite artists, James Ensor, could artistically render realistic paintings/drawings of people and landscapes. But that type of art bored him so he advanced his work to expressionism and surrealism. It is his later works which I find interesting. His work though is not for everyone.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 18, 2015 11:26:26 GMT -5
precisely. for Picasso, rendering was BORING. if you can render PERFECTLY (he could), what point is there in doing it? to please people who want perfectly rendered pieces? there are plenty of artists that will do that for coin. and it is a well traveled path. so why bother? besides, since photographs took over, image work has become rather redundant. that is why artists have moved beyond realism. to capture things that cannot be captured in a picture. One of my favorite artists, James Ensor, could artistically render realistic paintings/drawings of people and landscapes. But that type of art bored him so he advanced his work to expressionism and surrealism. It is his later works which I find interesting. His work though is not for everyone. here is the thing. traditionally, artists have been asked to skillfully render. actually, more to the point, they wanted artists to "photo shop" them in portrait- to make them look more beautiful or handsome than they actually were. when artists began deviating from this norm, art graduated from being a service of the gentry to a service of art itself. i know that this will forever piss the upper class, the prudish, and the uninterested off, but that is the new reality. so, you can still hire a trained monkey to render for you. there are a lot of them around. you can also hire a photographer, or, these days, your teenage daughter to shoot and photoshop you to make you, your house, or some attractive landscape look "good" by your standards. or, you can accept the standards of the artist on the subject. your choice. but to call the latter amateurish or ugly is only going to be laughed at unless you are qualified to make that judgement. it is actually not easy, for example, to make a completely monochromatic piece. the brush strokes have to be way better than what is found in rendering. a lot of people would consider that art pointless, or maybe even ugly. but to describe it as childish only makes the critic look childish. it is better to just say that you don't get it, which is a fact.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 18, 2015 11:29:39 GMT -5
having said that, i have no appreciation for monochromatic pieces (apart from the technical aspect, already mentioned), and a limited appreciation for, say "pop art" (though i recognize the humor in it). but then again, i am not interested in rendering, either. i can APPRECIATE skillful rendering, because i can't do it. not in a million years. but that doesn't mean i find it in any way interesting, or that i appreciate it as art, rather than craft. i don't.
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Post by billisonboard on May 18, 2015 11:40:35 GMT -5
_START PERSONAL ASIDE_ I am a philistine when it comes to paintings. _END PERSONAL ASIDE_
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Post by weltschmerz on May 18, 2015 11:45:42 GMT -5
This is supposed to be a skillful rendering of Lucille Ball. It's frightening.
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Post by ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ on May 18, 2015 12:06:55 GMT -5
When it comes to Surrealists, one of my favorites is Salvador Dali.
His work is definitely different - and not for everyone. I think he was also stoned when he did much of his work. He was a strange dude - but highly talented and gifted:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salvador_Dal%C3%AD
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2015 12:19:29 GMT -5
Son does love Dali. His contribution to Art Day this year is a station where kids fashion their own Dali moustaches
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Post by happyhoix on May 18, 2015 12:30:45 GMT -5
This is supposed to be a skillful rendering of Lucille Ball. It's frightening. Zombie Lucy!!!!
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Post by Tennesseer on May 18, 2015 12:38:25 GMT -5
This is supposed to be a skillful rendering of Lucille Ball. It's frightening. Zombie Lucy!!!! Andy Griffith in drag.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 18, 2015 12:49:25 GMT -5
When it comes to Surrealists, one of my favorites is Salvador Dali.
His work is definitely different - and not for everyone. I think he was also stoned when he did much of his work. He was a strange dude - but highly talented and gifted:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salvador_Dal%C3%AD i am partial to Bruegel (the Elder), myself. i have quite macabre tastes in art, however.
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Post by Tennesseer on May 18, 2015 12:56:32 GMT -5
When it comes to Surrealists, one of my favorites is Salvador Dali.
His work is definitely different - and not for everyone. I think he was also stoned when he did much of his work. He was a strange dude - but highly talented and gifted:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salvador_Dal%C3%AD i am partial to Bruegel (the Elder), myself. i have quite macabre tastes in art, however. Then you would really like James Ensor. He portrayed humans in a way I often see them. Look him up.
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Post by weltschmerz on May 18, 2015 13:07:42 GMT -5
When it comes to Surrealists, one of my favorites is Salvador Dali.
His work is definitely different - and not for everyone. I think he was also stoned when he did much of his work. He was a strange dude - but highly talented and gifted:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salvador_Dal%C3%AD i am partial to Bruegel (the Elder), myself. i have quite macabre tastes in art, however.You must love Hieronymus Bosch, with his paintings of damnation. I think they're a hoot!
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Post by djAdvocate on May 18, 2015 13:40:58 GMT -5
i am partial to Bruegel (the Elder), myself. i have quite macabre tastes in art, however.You must love Hieronymus Bosch, with his paintings of damnation. I think they're a hoot!
love him. my 2nd fave, actually.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 18, 2015 13:41:37 GMT -5
i am partial to Bruegel (the Elder), myself. i have quite macabre tastes in art, however. Then you would really like James Ensor. He portrayed humans in a way I often see them. Look him up. you turned me on to him a few months ago. dig it. but i have never seen any of his work up close, so i am still.....learning?
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Post by Tennesseer on May 18, 2015 14:01:16 GMT -5
Then you would really like James Ensor. He portrayed humans in a way I often see them. Look him up. you turned me on to him a few months ago. dig it. but i have never seen any of his work up close, so i am still.....learning? I probably told you about his work after the Getty Center in L.A. had an exhibit of his work last summer. There you most definitely would have seen his work up close (if you were in the area). We come to appreciate art, their works, and their styles over time. Some we continue to do so while others less so. Our tastes can change. If you are interested in a good read, look into the book, The Story of Art by E.H. Gombrich. Explains the styles and works from prehistoric and primitive people's art to the modernism of today. Full of illustrations.
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Post by Spellbound454 on May 18, 2015 15:17:27 GMT -5
Not sure why they would do that what a bunch of philistines. Cubism has been and gone but its still part of the establishment for the movements which were to follow.
Quite like Picasso. You have got to tune in to what he is trying to tell you This massive 25 foot painting is Geurnica. Its a massacre, full of suffering, chaos and darkness. Makes quite an impact as an anti war poster.
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Post by Tennesseer on May 18, 2015 16:22:18 GMT -5
Not sure why they would do that what a bunch of philistines. Cubism has been and gone but its still part of the establishment for the movements which were to follow.
Quite like Picasso. You have got to tune in to what he is trying to tell you This massive 25 foot painting is Geurnica. Its a massacre, full of suffering, chaos and darkness. Makes quite an impact as an anti war poster. I think I see a breast.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2015 20:48:37 GMT -5
Are naked forms inherently vulgar? I don't think so. I think certain acts are vulgar. So maybe if art included those acts ? I agree with this. The naked body, in and of itself, is not (to me) vulgar.
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Post by EVT1 on May 18, 2015 22:28:11 GMT -5
I'd like to thank the person that rightfully referred to Fox as a channel and not news
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2015 9:25:56 GMT -5
Of course I don't have a problem with parents worldwide raising their kids how they want to - or teaching them their values and what's decent or isn't decent (for them).
BUT - since the network that blurred-out that portion of the painting on their evening news is FOX, it's safe to say it was aired on one of FOX's local channels within the USA, so it has nothing to do with other cultures. I assume someone from another culture living in the US & watching TV has a remote-control to change the channel if something that's "culturally offensive" to them appears on TV. I already addressed the TV management thing in reply #29 A cultural preference is just one more way of looking at the publics percieved sexual acceptance level, and a TV stations attempt at pleasing it's target audience.
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