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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Feb 19, 2015 11:22:50 GMT -5
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Post by dondub on Feb 19, 2015 12:01:41 GMT -5
Issues such as this are political. Tearing down women does not lift repo men up. When will the idiots learn that!
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Post by swamp on Feb 19, 2015 12:47:54 GMT -5
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Feb 19, 2015 12:55:19 GMT -5
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Post by ArchietheDragon on Feb 19, 2015 12:58:10 GMT -5
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 19, 2015 14:13:55 GMT -5
Excellent and totally on point. really? you see those as mutually exclusive? i don't.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 19, 2015 14:17:12 GMT -5
I really find it hard to get my panties in a wad over Adams rib type comments when Isis is torturing and killing women and marrying 9 yr olds. Strain on a gnat and swallow a camel. But whatevs. i am more concerned with things that i can actually DO something about.
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Post by mmhmm on Feb 19, 2015 14:34:05 GMT -5
Excellent and totally on point. really? you see those as mutually exclusive? i don't. Agreed, dj. If you're tearing down one group you're sure not elevating another. In the end, it's all ugly and it doesn't matter a whit which "side" is being denigrated.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 19, 2015 14:42:23 GMT -5
really? you see those as mutually exclusive? i don't. Agreed, dj. If you're tearing down one group you're sure not elevating another. In the end, it's all ugly and it doesn't matter a whit which "side" is being denigrated. ultimately, anything political, as the term is understood, is a teeter totter. the nature of consensus is kinda apolitical, again, as the term is generally understood.
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Feb 19, 2015 14:43:01 GMT -5
Excellent and totally on point. really? you see those as mutually exclusive? i don't. No I don't see them as mutually exclusive at all. I was talking about the politics of it all. There is no intent to showcase the plight of the poor woman here and to shout out to have something done about it. The intent is to simply tear down someone/something. There is no intent here to show that misogyny still exists and what to do about it...just an attempt to get everyone to hate those damn republican men (although some Rebublican men accomplish that with no help from anyone). Nothing or nobody ever is lifted up by the tearing down of another. You just might simply appear less low.
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Post by mmhmm on Feb 19, 2015 14:54:55 GMT -5
If some people are ignorant enough to accept that the opinion of one person defines all of that person's gender, there's probably not much one can do about it, other than shake one's head and move on.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 19, 2015 14:55:18 GMT -5
really? you see those as mutually exclusive? i don't. No I don't see them as mutually exclusive at all. I was talking about the politics of it all. There is no intent to showcase the plight of the poor woman here and to shout out to have something done about it. The intent is to simply tear down someone/something. There is no intent here to show that misogyny still exists and what to do about it...just an attempt to get everyone to hate those damn republican men (although some Rebublican men accomplish that with no help from anyone). Nothing or nobody ever is lifted up by the tearing down of another. You just might simply appear less low. i disagree. i think that tearing down racists, bigots, murderers, abusers, and other miscreants lifts EVERYONE up. i think that tearing down serial liars, abusive speakers, people with terrible, hurtful ideas, etc ALSO is for the betterment of all. to take your position to the logical extreme, leaving all of these things in place, and simply trying to, say, elevate VICTIMS of abuse, doesn't actually solve the problem at all. the problem has to be torn down in order to truly serve the interests of victims and the greater society.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 19, 2015 14:57:27 GMT -5
If some people are ignorant enough to accept that the opinion of one person defines all of that person's gender, there's probably not much one can do about it, other than shake one's head and move on. Chomsky once said that it is only through the acquiescence of democratic societies that they continue to do great harm in the world. the classic example is, of course, Germany. the MAJORITY of German society did not side with the Nazi's. but they did nothing to stop them until it was too late. tearing them down would have been a very good idea.
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Feb 19, 2015 15:04:10 GMT -5
No I don't see them as mutually exclusive at all. I was talking about the politics of it all. There is no intent to showcase the plight of the poor woman here and to shout out to have something done about it. The intent is to simply tear down someone/something. There is no intent here to show that misogyny still exists and what to do about it...just an attempt to get everyone to hate those damn republican men (although some Rebublican men accomplish that with no help from anyone). Nothing or nobody ever is lifted up by the tearing down of another. You just might simply appear less low. i disagree. i think that tearing down racists, bigots, murderers, abusers, and other miscreants lifts EVERYONE up. i think that tearing down serial liars, abusive speakers, people with terrible, hurtful ideas, etc ALSO is for the betterment of all. to take your position to the logical extreme, leaving all of these things in place, and simply trying to, say, elevate VICTIMS of abuse, doesn't actually solve the problem at all. the problem has to be torn down in order to truly serve the interests of victims and the greater society. No. I don't agree at all. Tearing someone down isn't the answer. Lifting those who are oppressed is the answer. Take victims of abuse. You lift them up with education, our justice system, and the will of good people. Simply tearing down that abuser changes nothing. Doing nothing but shouting from the rooftops about how bad that abuser is accomplishes nothing. It doesn't help anyone - least of all the victim. We disagree. That's ok. You've been wrong before.
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Post by The Captain on Feb 19, 2015 15:37:28 GMT -5
No I don't see them as mutually exclusive at all. I was talking about the politics of it all. There is no intent to showcase the plight of the poor woman here and to shout out to have something done about it. The intent is to simply tear down someone/something. There is no intent here to show that misogyny still exists and what to do about it...just an attempt to get everyone to hate those damn republican men (although some Rebublican men accomplish that with no help from anyone). Nothing or nobody ever is lifted up by the tearing down of another. You just might simply appear less low. i disagree. i think that tearing down racists, bigots, murderers, abusers, and other miscreants lifts EVERYONE up. i think that tearing down serial liars, abusive speakers, people with terrible, hurtful ideas, etc ALSO is for the betterment of all. to take your position to the logical extreme, leaving all of these things in place, and simply trying to, say, elevate VICTIMS of abuse, doesn't actually solve the problem at all. the problem has to be torn down in order to truly serve the interests of victims and the greater society. There are ways of minimizing the negative impact of others without having to "tear them down". That phrase to me seems to indicate the same violent, negative intent as that ascribed to those who's hateful view you seem to eschew. Sorry about the phrasing, it was the only way I could express my thoughts on this. I'm not trying to be negative or accusatory.
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Post by mmhmm on Feb 19, 2015 15:53:38 GMT -5
I prefer to concentrate my energies on tearing down the premises on which bigots, abusers, murderers, and other monsters build their arguments, rather than tear down the individuals espousing those premises. If you tear down the structure, the inhabitants of that structure will go down with it.
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Post by happyhoix on Feb 19, 2015 16:00:34 GMT -5
really? you see those as mutually exclusive? i don't. Agreed, dj. If you're tearing down one group you're sure not elevating another. In the end, it's all ugly and it doesn't matter a whit which "side" is being denigrated. I didn't think we were knocking Christians or republicans or any particular group, just making fun of their village idiot.
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Post by mmhmm on Feb 19, 2015 16:03:26 GMT -5
Agreed, dj. If you're tearing down one group you're sure not elevating another. In the end, it's all ugly and it doesn't matter a whit which "side" is being denigrated. I didn't think we were knocking Christians or republicans or any particular group, just making fun of their village idiot. I don't think I accused anyone of doing otherwise. This guy is a dweeb and he'd be a dweeb if he practiced Shinto on Mars. His "dweebness" doesn't paint anyone but him, IMO.
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Feb 19, 2015 16:06:37 GMT -5
I think we all want the same result, mmhmm. We all just have different ways of trying to attain that result and different way of expressing our opinions about it. I do think, tho, there are people who completely forget about what they are fighting for in their quest to make the other side look bad. The goal seems to get lost and the only thing satisfying is maligning others. Not people here on this board - I'm talking about people in general - especially those in politics.
Sinus meds are making me a bit foggy. Sorry if that didn't make much sense, but I know what I mean!
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 19, 2015 16:35:45 GMT -5
i disagree. i think that tearing down racists, bigots, murderers, abusers, and other miscreants lifts EVERYONE up. i think that tearing down serial liars, abusive speakers, people with terrible, hurtful ideas, etc ALSO is for the betterment of all. to take your position to the logical extreme, leaving all of these things in place, and simply trying to, say, elevate VICTIMS of abuse, doesn't actually solve the problem at all. the problem has to be torn down in order to truly serve the interests of victims and the greater society. No. I don't agree at all. Tearing someone down isn't the answer. Lifting those who are oppressed is the answer. Take victims of abuse. You lift them up with education, our justice system, and the will of good people. Simply tearing down that abuser changes nothing. Doing nothing but shouting from the rooftops about how bad that abuser is accomplishes nothing. It doesn't help anyone - least of all the victim. We disagree. That's ok. You've been wrong before. i don't thing there is a right perspective on this. i am just less forgiving, and less consensus building than you are. i don't have the least bit of tolerance for perspectives that seek to exterminate other perspectives. i am all for tearing them down, and a new one.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 19, 2015 16:38:36 GMT -5
i disagree. i think that tearing down racists, bigots, murderers, abusers, and other miscreants lifts EVERYONE up. i think that tearing down serial liars, abusive speakers, people with terrible, hurtful ideas, etc ALSO is for the betterment of all. to take your position to the logical extreme, leaving all of these things in place, and simply trying to, say, elevate VICTIMS of abuse, doesn't actually solve the problem at all. the problem has to be torn down in order to truly serve the interests of victims and the greater society. There are ways of minimizing the negative impact of others without having to "tear them down". That phrase to me seems to indicate the same violent, negative intent as that ascribed to those who's hateful view you seem to eschew. yeah. i am a terrible Christian. i am not much for being trampled on by those that are inclined to do so.Sorry about the phrasing, it was the only way I could express my thoughts on this. I'm not trying to be negative or accusatory. no need to apologize. this is about ideas, not personalities, as far as i am concerned.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 19, 2015 16:40:28 GMT -5
Agreed, dj. If you're tearing down one group you're sure not elevating another. In the end, it's all ugly and it doesn't matter a whit which "side" is being denigrated. I didn't think we were knocking Christians or republicans or any particular group, just making fun of their village idiot. precisely. this could equally apply to radicals on the left, as well. for example, those that think that businessmen and lawyers should be dragged through the street and burned should not be tolerated.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 19, 2015 16:40:58 GMT -5
I think we all want the same result, mmhmm. We all just have different ways of trying to attain that result and different way of expressing our opinions about it. I do think, tho, there are people who completely forget about what they are fighting for in their quest to make the other side look bad. The goal seems to get lost and the only thing satisfying is maligning others. Not people here on this board - I'm talking about people in general - especially those in politics.
Sinus meds are making me a bit foggy. Sorry if that didn't make much sense, but I know what I mean! bottom line: you're nice, i'm not.
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Feb 19, 2015 16:50:17 GMT -5
I think we all want the same result, mmhmm. We all just have different ways of trying to attain that result and different way of expressing our opinions about it. I do think, tho, there are people who completely forget about what they are fighting for in their quest to make the other side look bad. The goal seems to get lost and the only thing satisfying is maligning others. Not people here on this board - I'm talking about people in general - especially those in politics.
Sinus meds are making me a bit foggy. Sorry if that didn't make much sense, but I know what I mean! bottom line: you're nice, i'm not. Yes, you are. You just have limits like everyone else and you have things you hold dear. That doesn't make you not nice - just human. I'm not always Miss Mary Sunshine either, by the way. I know that's hard to believe...
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 19, 2015 19:46:58 GMT -5
I think we all want the same result, mmhmm. We all just have different ways of trying to attain that result and different way of expressing our opinions about it. I do think, tho, there are people who completely forget about what they are fighting for in their quest to make the other side look bad. The goal seems to get lost and the only thing satisfying is maligning others. Not people here on this board - I'm talking about people in general - especially those in politics.
Sinus meds are making me a bit foggy. Sorry if that didn't make much sense, but I know what I mean! I think you phrased it very well, sinus meds or not. I can't get on board with fighting ignorance with ignorance...is the more ignorant one supposed to drag the other one down and beat them with experience?
A. Women belong barefoot in the kitchen, not doing important things like being a Senator (Senatoring?) B. Republican men are bigots and waging WAR against women...so make sure you vote Democrat!
Neither statement is any different! Both of them take a broad segment of society and paint them in a bad light. And neither one is going to fix any problems either, I would argue that statement "B" will more likely push people away and make them resistant to listening to any real solution.
i don't see where ignorance was mentioned. so, just to be clear, i know that i wasn't talking about fighting ignorance with ignorance. my case is that these campaigns, when they are campaigns and not just stupid statements, are not bourne out of ignorance. for example, there is a concerted effort on the part of the wealthy to convince everyone that government is a bad thing. this is not appealing to people's ignorance, but their very real experiences with government. the response to that is to point out that government actually does some good things, and that furthermore, those that have an interest in dismantling government are the very same people that would be in control in the ensuing anarchism. that response is not ignorant either. you can call anti-abortion, anti-equal pay measures anything you like. call them PRO WOMAN for all i care. but characterizing them as anti-woman is fair game as far as i am concerned. Republicans have been using sound bite politics for years. it is not accurate, but it gets the message across. if Democrats fail to engage that tactic, then they are going to lose. which is fine with me, but i think quite bad for the nation, as it would leave us with one governing party.
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Post by ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ on Feb 19, 2015 20:07:23 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2015 20:10:40 GMT -5
what wealthy people are doing that? The Koch brothers? I think they are solidly libertarian, not anarchist. I saw an article where some of the founders of Google bought a solar farm with government subsidized loans. Now that the business is failing they are trying to get the loan forgiven, so they are trying to get more government, not less. I think Gates and Buffett are both pro-government, aren't they. I think lot of the big banks are wanted regulation to limit or control the smaller banks. Does that impetus not come from the wealthy money men? A lot of the wealthy like to buy sports teams and have taxpayers pay for the stadium, so they are in a concerted effort to get more government involved.
Is part of my argument wrong?
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Feb 19, 2015 20:10:57 GMT -5
Personally, I'd rather be referred to as a highly-intelligent, talented, exceptionally attractive woman!
Of course none of that's true but since we are getting are druthers...
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Feb 19, 2015 21:02:34 GMT -5
Thank you, Rachets. That was a very nice thing to say.
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Post by formerroomate99 on Feb 28, 2015 19:15:17 GMT -5
Oh believe me, Southern politicians, and southern men in general, have been saying stupid things about women long before anyone in the South voted Republican.
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