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Post by wvugurl26 on Dec 9, 2014 12:40:46 GMT -5
I'm kind of skeptical on the HVAC story. Maybe he got laid off? I know someone in that area who runs a HVAC business. He's got all he can handle and hired an employee.
She's my age, I would lose my shit if I had 9 kids.
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Post by Sam_2.0 on Dec 9, 2014 12:41:11 GMT -5
I don't know... Some people still believe in the pulling out method, I know a partner at a Law firm that have 3 kids because she trusted her husband with the "pulling out" method. My neighbor has 6 kids & the last 2 were accidents. She is confident she has her cycle down now & there won't be any more oops Dang, I tracked that stuff religiously to TRY and get pregnant and it still took awhile. Still astounds me that people can get pregnant so easily all the time. Unless they actually want to, I guess.
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Post by TheHaitian on Dec 9, 2014 12:50:43 GMT -5
Nope, all 9 kids are hers! The 2 year old, the triplets and the twins to be are his. Some folks are more fertile than others... What can you say! I would hope after the twins she would look into an effective birth control method. I just don't see how they support 7 kids (soon to be 9) on her income alone.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2014 12:53:58 GMT -5
Some folks are more fertile than others... What can you say! I would hope after the twins she would look into an effective birth control method. I just don't see how they support 7 kids (soon to be 9) on her income alone. Like anyone is going to want to have sex after getting 6 infants and toddlers to bed!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2014 12:54:54 GMT -5
how did they have the energy to even HAVE sex?
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Post by TheHaitian on Dec 9, 2014 12:56:27 GMT -5
Some folks are more fertile than others... What can you say! I would hope after the twins she would look into an effective birth control method. I just don't see how they support 7 kids (soon to be 9) on her income alone. Like anyone is going to want to have sex after getting 6 infants and toddlers to bed! I would have thought that after having a 1 year old and triplets... But they managed it didn't they. So don't underestimate the powers that be. Where there is a will, there is a way
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Post by swasat on Dec 9, 2014 13:30:28 GMT -5
Some folks are more fertile than others... What can you say! I would hope after the twins she would look into an effective birth control method. I just don't see how they support 7 kids (soon to be 9) on her income alone. Like anyone is going to want to have sex after getting 6 infants and toddlers to bed! Thats why she needs help of the "older" kids To keep an eye on the young 'uns while mom and dad get "cozy"
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Post by zibazinski on Dec 9, 2014 15:26:38 GMT -5
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Post by giramomma on Dec 9, 2014 16:20:27 GMT -5
From the story
Looks like legitimate reasons for not having an HVAC job. Looks like they aren't planning on letting the gov't take care of them.
I wouldn't want to do 9 kids. If the kids were spaced together closer, DH and I would have talked seriously about a 4th. In hindsight, it's a good thing we didn't have a 4th. I had baby fever something fierce when DD2 turned 1, which was very odd. Usually I don't get baby fever so quickly.
As for helping. We ask our kids to help out all the time. They are expected to do chores, pick up after themselves, and yes even watch the two year old when we ask. We aren't asking our older two kids to become surrogate parents. But, we ain't maids, either.
When we brought #2 home from the hospital, #1 helped for like two days, and he was over it.
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Post by Angel! on Dec 9, 2014 16:27:50 GMT -5
From the story Looks like legitimate reasons for not having an HVAC job. Looks like they aren't planning on letting the gov't take care of them. I wouldn't want to do 9 kids. If the kids were spaced together closer, DH and I would have talked seriously about a 4th. In hindsight, it's a good thing we didn't have a 4th. I had baby fever something fierce when DD2 turned 1, which was very odd. Usually I don't get baby fever so quickly.
Don't know if they are planning on it, but what are the rules on exemptions & child credits for taxes? Do they get 11 exemptions & $9K in refundable tax credits or is there a limit on that?
And that is assuming they don't qualify for EITC, I don't know how that works beyond 3 kids either.
I'm a single mom of 3 with pretty decent salary & I pay nearly nothing in taxes. There is no way these people are paying anything & they may be making out huge in refunds.
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Post by giramomma on Dec 9, 2014 16:34:24 GMT -5
Don't know if they are planning on it, but what are the rules on exemptions & child credits for taxes? Do they get 11 exemptions & $9K in refundable tax credits or is there a limit on that?
And that is assuming they don't qualify for EITC, I don't know how that works beyond 3 kids either.
I'm a single mom of 3 with pretty decent salary & I pay nearly nothing in taxes. There is no way these people are paying anything & they may be making out huge in refunds.
I don't know. I really doubt that they are having all those kids to massage the tax code in their favor. To me, there's a difference between going on WIC, SNAP, applying for heating assistance, Section 8 housing, getting free cell phones from the govt, and getting money back from a tax code that you have no influence over.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2014 16:37:08 GMT -5
From the story Looks like legitimate reasons for not having an HVAC job. Looks like they aren't planning on letting the gov't take care of them. I wouldn't want to do 9 kids. If the kids were spaced together closer, DH and I would have talked seriously about a 4th. In hindsight, it's a good thing we didn't have a 4th. I had baby fever something fierce when DD2 turned 1, which was very odd. Usually I don't get baby fever so quickly.
Don't know if they are planning on it, but what are the rules on exemptions & child credits for taxes? Do they get 11 exemptions & $9K in refundable tax credits or is there a limit on that?
And that is assuming they don't qualify for EITC, I don't know how that works beyond 3 kids either.
I'm a single mom of 3 with pretty decent salary & I pay nearly nothing in taxes. There is no way these people are paying anything & they may be making out huge in refunds.
EITC is the same for 3 or 13 kids. All children are eligible for the child tax credit, but that is not refundable, so you can't get back more than you paid in. Someone paying 12K in taxes could get 9K of credit for 9 kids, but if they're not paying anything anyhow, it changes to the "Additional Child Tax Credit". That allows up to 15% of your earned income to be refundable. If she's making 40K, then 6K for the 9 kids. I am not exactly certain what number they use for the earned income. If it's AGI or MAGI or what...
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Post by Formerly SK on Dec 9, 2014 17:25:26 GMT -5
Actually, more like . They seriously told a REPORTER about their pregnancy before they told their KIDS? I bet they think it's good parenting to have their older kids help and "learn responsibility." Mom commutes 90 minutes each way and they have no support. I hope CPS is keeping an eye on them. IMO there's nothing funny about this. Those kids are in danger - guaranteed to be neglected but likely even worse as I just don't think anyone can be sane staying home all day with five babies. Especially since Dad mentions sleep/mental issues. This whole situation makes me so angry. Those poor kids.
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Post by Angel! on Dec 9, 2014 17:31:01 GMT -5
Don't know if they are planning on it, but what are the rules on exemptions & child credits for taxes? Do they get 11 exemptions & $9K in refundable tax credits or is there a limit on that?
And that is assuming they don't qualify for EITC, I don't know how that works beyond 3 kids either.
I'm a single mom of 3 with pretty decent salary & I pay nearly nothing in taxes. There is no way these people are paying anything & they may be making out huge in refunds.
I don't know. I really doubt that they are having all those kids to massage the tax code in their favor. To me, there's a difference between going on WIC, SNAP, applying for heating assistance, Section 8 housing, getting free cell phones from the govt, and getting money back from a tax code that you have no influence over. IMO its all the same thing. But, regardless, no way you are convincing me they aren't getting other support even beyond taxes. They qualify for WIC & probably qualify for snap. Their not expecting assistance was in reference to family or friends helping with the kids, not govt assistance. Plus, given the injury, there is a decent chance he is on disability and/or workman's comp of some sort.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2014 18:33:14 GMT -5
Actually, more like . They seriously told a REPORTER about their pregnancy before they told their KIDS? I bet they think it's good parenting to have their older kids help and "learn responsibility." Mom commutes 90 minutes each way and they have no support. I hope CPS is keeping an eye on them. IMO there's nothing funny about this. Those kids are in danger - guaranteed to be neglected but likely even worse as I just don't think anyone can be sane staying home all day with five babies. Especially since Dad mentions sleep/mental issues. This whole situation makes me so angry. Those poor kids. so years ago when families had 9-10-11 kids and dad was away all day working and mom was at home with the kids, all those kids were neglected. don't we have people on this board from large families?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2014 18:49:13 GMT -5
To be fair most people didn't have 6 kids 3 and under...
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Post by Malarky on Dec 9, 2014 18:49:22 GMT -5
People used to raise large families all the time. My mother was one of 17.
So maybe those kids won't all get dance class and other perks, but that doesn't equal neglect.
While I couldn't handle it, that doesn't mean they can't.
ETA: I know people who ended up with two sets of twins, and 4 kids under 3. They made it work.
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Post by andi9899 on Dec 9, 2014 18:49:59 GMT -5
This thread should be printed out and hung up on high school lockers around the country. Teen pregnancy rates would drop to near zero. I don't know... Some people still believe in the pulling out method, I know a partner at a Law firm that have 3 kids because she trusted her husband with the "pulling out" method. She sounds like a slow learner.
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Post by giramomma on Dec 9, 2014 19:18:26 GMT -5
Actually, more like . They seriously told a REPORTER about their pregnancy before they told their KIDS? I bet they think it's good parenting to have their older kids help and "learn responsibility." Why are you assuming that it's Duggar style parenting. They didn't say "We are assigning each older child to baby. That older child will be responsible for all bottle feedings and diaper changes from 4-8, and baths every other week. We are SO excited to teach my older kids how to properly care for kids!"
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Post by NastyWoman on Dec 9, 2014 20:03:07 GMT -5
Mom commutes 90 minutes each way and they have no support. I hope CPS is keeping an eye on them. IMO there's nothing funny about this. Those kids are in danger - guaranteed to be neglected but likely even worse as I just don't think anyone can be sane staying home all day with five babies. Especially since Dad mentions sleep/mental issues. This whole situation makes me so angry. Those poor kids. To put this in perspective: I am one of 7 and my ex was of 9 (can you spell birthday/Xmas presents for my kids ) Both of us came from loving families and we were most definitely not neglected. Whether this dad will be able to handle 6 small kids on his own remains to be seen, but talk about "CPS keeping an eye on them" seems to me to be somewhat premature to put it politely.
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Post by Formerly SK on Dec 9, 2014 20:41:57 GMT -5
Actually, more like . They seriously told a REPORTER about their pregnancy before they told their KIDS? I bet they think it's good parenting to have their older kids help and "learn responsibility." Mom commutes 90 minutes each way and they have no support. I hope CPS is keeping an eye on them. IMO there's nothing funny about this. Those kids are in danger - guaranteed to be neglected but likely even worse as I just don't think anyone can be sane staying home all day with five babies. Especially since Dad mentions sleep/mental issues. This whole situation makes me so angry. Those poor kids. so years ago when families had 9-10-11 kids and dad was away all day working and mom was at home with the kids, all those kids were neglected. don't we have people on this board from large families? This is nothing against large families. It's against two people with no support trying to care for all these young children. Years ago there was extended family all around (or even on the same property) so there was support. There were churches, neighbors. The point is, these people claim to have no support and they live in poverty. If one kid gets sick, the guy has to drag all 5/6/7 to the dr office alone. Seriously, how do you do that? Do they make strollers that big? If you are responsible for feeding/diapering 6 kids every day, is it even possible to have time to do anything else? And since there are other things that need to get done, what exactly are those kids doing while the dad is taking care of it? Laying there crying?
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Post by Formerly SK on Dec 9, 2014 20:54:49 GMT -5
Actually, more like . They seriously told a REPORTER about their pregnancy before they told their KIDS? I bet they think it's good parenting to have their older kids help and "learn responsibility." Why are you assuming that it's Duggar style parenting. They didn't say "We are assigning each older child to baby. That older child will be responsible for all bottle feedings and diaper changes from 4-8, and baths every other week. We are SO excited to teach my older kids how to properly care for kids!" I don't assume it's Duggar style. But I'm the oldest of 4 with parents who could not handle the job. This meant I spent my childhood "helping" feed/bathe/care for my younger siblings because otherwise those things may not have gotten done. People can bite off more than they can chew and not hit their wall for a couple years. But 99.99% of the time they hit it. I hope I'm wrong, I hope these people are saints and miracle workers. But I sure hate to make that gamble when the lives of all those kids are at risk.
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Post by Angel! on Dec 10, 2014 12:49:04 GMT -5
To be fair most people didn't have 6 kids 3 and under...
Their kid to adult ratio is above what my state would allow in a daycare. And the daycare I chose for DS2 actually uses lower ratios because they feel the state max is too high for reasonable care. It is just not going to be possible for a single person to give newborn twins, 2 year-old triplets, & a 3 year old all the attention that should be given to those kids. And then mom is gone so much she doesn't see the kids sometimes for a week at a time, so she isn't exactly helping out there.
That house is just going to be ripe for something bad to happen because there are too many kids & not enough care-takers. Just 3 two year olds would be a handful, but taking care of 2 newborns at the same time...insanity. It doesn't take long for a 2 or 3 year old to get into trouble & get hurt...and it is just impossible to keep an eye on all those kids. My neighbor can't even keep track of her 20 month old or her 3 year old & her other 4 are between 5 & 13 years old.
I don't doubt he can come up with a system & make it work....but it is far from ideal.
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