Feds to seek death penalty against surviving Marathon bomber

[Tennesseer]

Apr 8, 2015 13:38:37 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

Apr 8, 2015 12:58:33 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

chiver78 - I think he will be found guilty.  Even his defense began their opening remarks with he was guilty.  Just how much guilty was the question-was he too controlled by his older brother.

It's my understanding after the jury's announcement today, the penalty phase will begin in a week or two, yes? 

That's no excuse, IMO. Everyone is influenced by somebody. Should we cut every two-bit terrorist some slack because he was influenced by his imam?

Whoa! I am perfectly fine he is guilty on all counts.

It is his attornies who tried to portray him as under the influence of his brother and that will still be their defense during the penalty phase.

[weltschmerz]

Apr 8, 2015 15:21:09 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Apr 8, 2015 13:38:37 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

That's no excuse, IMO. Everyone is influenced by somebody. Should we cut every two-bit terrorist some slack because he was influenced by his imam?

Whoa! I am perfectly fine he is guilty on all counts.

It is his attornies who tried to portray him as under the influence of his brother and that will still be their defense during the penalty phase.

I wasn't attacking you. I was merely stating my opinion on why it shouldn't matter.

[Tennesseer]

Apr 8, 2015 15:33:17 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

Apr 8, 2015 15:21:09 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Whoa! I am perfectly fine he is guilty on all counts.

It is his attornies who tried to portray him as under the influence of his brother and that will still be their defense during the penalty phase.

I wasn't attacking you. I was merely stating my opinion on why it shouldn't matter.

The defense will try anything and everything not to get a death sentence verdict for their client.

[Robert not Bobby]

I am not a religious nor violent guy, but the next person who tells me that Islam is misunderstood and is a religion of peace, I may just get physical with, and not in a nice way.

It seems to be a magnet for people who don't have respect for life...theirs or others.

[weltschmerz]

Apr 8, 2015 15:47:27 GMT -5 Robert not Bobby said:

I am not a religious nor violent guy, but the next person who tells me that Islam is misunderstood and is a religion of peace, I may just get physical with, and not in a nice way.

It seems to be a magnet for people who don't have respect for life...theirs or others.

I used to be one of those people, until I became very friendly with some Muslims at work, and they had no problems confiding in me. What they told me shook me to the very core.

[Robert not Bobby]

Apr 8, 2015 15:53:39 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

Apr 8, 2015 15:47:27 GMT -5 Robert not Bobby said:

I am not a religious nor violent guy, but the next person who tells me that Islam is misunderstood and is a religion of peace, I may just get physical with, and not in a nice way.

It seems to be a magnet for people who don't have respect for life...theirs or others.

I used to be one of those people, until I became very friendly with some Muslims at work, and they had no problems confiding in me. What they told me shook me to the very core.

And what did they tell you?

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Apr 8, 2015 15:53:39 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

Apr 8, 2015 15:47:27 GMT -5 Robert not Bobby said:

I am not a religious nor violent guy, but the next person who tells me that Islam is misunderstood and is a religion of peace, I may just get physical with, and not in a nice way.

It seems to be a magnet for people who don't have respect for life...theirs or others.

I used to be one of those people, until I became very friendly with some Muslims at work, and they had no problems confiding in me. What they told me shook me to the very core.

I refuse to paint all Muslims with one brush.

I too have worked with and live among people of the Muslim faith, they are decent people. They are pretty normal, by which I mean they own a home, work, have children, and pretty much live as the rest of us do. They have yet to show me their evil side, but its only been 20 years that I have known them.....

[mroped]

Robert, would be unwise to stir that pot!
Mostly because...all religions are peaceful. Just pick one and it can be proven. How each one of those that practice a religion/faith interpret the tenets of it , that's a different thing.
We already had a discussion on the subject!

[weltschmerz]

Apr 8, 2015 16:07:03 GMT -5 Robert not Bobby said:

Apr 8, 2015 15:53:39 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

I used to be one of those people, until I became very friendly with some Muslims at work, and they had no problems confiding in me. What they told me shook me to the very core.

And what did they tell you?

I really don't want to open that can of worms, but suffice it to say.....

I have very close Catholic friends who I would trust with my life. I have very close Jewish friends who I would trust with my life. I have very close atheist and Buddhist friends who I would trust with my life.

I also have very close Muslim friends. Would I trust them with my life?

No, because extrapolating from everything they've told me lo these many years, I'm still an infidel, and that's all I'll ever be.

[marvholly]

Normally I am anti-death penalty because there have been SOOO many errors (IL abolished it a number of years ago) over the years but I am really torn about what the penalty should be since there is NO question of his guilt in this case:

Death = over & done but WILL entail YEARS of appeals at taxpayer expense

Life (no parole possible) = More of a punishment (IMHO) BUT about 50-70 years of 3 hots & a cot, free medical, free dental, free psych……….ALL at taxpayer expense (Going to be VERY, VERY $$)

[Tennesseer]

Apr 9, 2015 5:19:18 GMT -5 marvholly said:

Normally I am anti-death penalty because there have been SOOO many errors (IL abolished it a number of years ago) over the years but I am really torn about what the penalty should be since there is NO question of his guilt in this case:

Death = over & done but WILL entail YEARS of appeals at taxpayer expense

Life (no parole possible) = More of a punishment (IMHO) BUT about 50-70 years of 3 hots & a cot, free medical, free dental, free psych……….ALL at taxpayer expense (Going to be VERY, VERY $$)

He may not last too long in prison even to appeal a death sentence. There are several reasons why I could see another prisoner taking him out. For example; he killed a child, he's a convicted Muslim terrorist, or another prisoner wants the jail house cred of killing an infamous killer.

[Tennesseer]

Apr 9, 2015 9:40:52 GMT -5 deminmaine said:

Very true. I guess they probably have him in isolation?

I've come to oppose the death penalty in general, but in cases like this, there is no reason for the perp to live that I can think of.

All it will take is one juror thinking he is too young to die and was led astray by his older brother to end up with a 1,000 year life sentence.

[Tennesseer]

deminmaine-your experience was a bit akin to mine watching the events of 9/11 over and over and over again. I did not want those events to own me so I stopped watching for a while. I needed to get back to my world and not the world of hate and (justifiable) retribution where necessary.

[chiver78]

penalty verdict is in. just waiting to hear it now.

hoping Boston is okay tonight, whatever the result.

[NancysSummerSip]

May 15, 2015 14:08:46 GMT -5 chiver78 said:

penalty verdict is in. just waiting to hear it now.

hoping Boston is okay tonight, whatever the result.

Boston will be more than OK. Boston is, and has always been a strong place with strong people.

[NancysSummerSip]

It appears that the jury has found for the death penalty on six of the 17 counts for which the death sentence was possible.

[Tennesseer]

Dzhokhar Tsarnaev will probably die a middle aged man and mostly likely not by the hands of the state.  Someone in prison will get him because young people died.

[NancysSummerSip]

There was not, and could not, be any real justice here. And really no closure, when you think about it. The look-over-your-shoulder fear will always be there in some form. The marathon bombing changed the way many of us participate in running events now. Far more police protection, even at small 5K events. And Boston will never have another marathon without a reference to this tragedy. Should the city be awarded the summer Olympics, the reference will be even more pronounced, the reminders even more raw.

Boston will absorb this event because the city has no choice, much the same way as NYC and DC and Shanksville/Somerset PA absorbed their respective targeting on 9/11. Boston has also proven that on its darkest day, while it is possible to break a city's heart, the worst evil cannot ruin its soul.

[EVT1]

I wonder how many millions this is going to waste.....

[marvholly]

I don't happen to agree with the death penalty here. This......jerk will:

waste a TON of our tax dollars on appeal

appeals will waste 8/more years on OUR dime

become a martyr to his terrorist friends

[billisonboard]

I don't agree with the death penalty in this case or any other.  However,  we do put people to death in this country for crimes less extreme than this one.  Standard operating procedure is established.  To  not do it in this case, either as a one time exception or the start of not using it at all, would make this individual "special".  We don't want to do that.   Because of that, we have to kill this guy. 

[mroped]

I believe I read in the papers that the death sentence was passed so it is just a matter of time at this point. Ofcourse there will be an appeal on the decision and then an apeal on the appeal's decision and so on and so forth!

[chiver78]

May 17, 2015 14:39:40 GMT -5 mroped said:

I believe I read in the papers that the death sentence was passed so it is just a matter of time at this point. Ofcourse there will be an appeal on the decision and then an apeal on the appeal's decision and so on and so forth!

You read correctly, sir. I posted about it when the verdict came back. as a Bostonian, I have very mixed feelings about it.

sent from my electronic distraction

[zibazinski]

I'd be looking at that wife of his, too. BS she didn't know. 

[chiver78]

sentencing was today. I was surprised to find he'll be spending time at another facility in CO before being moved to Terre Haute, IN, for the completion of his death sentence.

Iggy aka IG - is this place anywhere near you? I know you've posted that you're in CO. states outside New England are so huge to me, I'm always surprised to hear that an in-state trip isn't a day trip!

ETA: forgot the link! link

[Ombud]

Feb 1, 2014 17:35:14 GMT -5 zibazinski said:

I'm not saying he isn't. I'm saying we waste too much time and money on these a-holes "rights."

And that's my biggest issue with it .... it gives them additional "air time" as they legally have multiple appeals. Better to lock them away in solitaire with no access to public. No air time. Cheaper too. Don't announce his death. Said & done ~~ bye bye

[wvugurl26]

Surprised IN is his final destination. I heard that the Supermax in Colorado in the terrorist block was his likely destination.

[chiver78]

everything I read said that IN was where federally issued death sentences were carried out. the Supermax in CO was where he would serve a life sentence.

[Iggy aka IG]

Jun 25, 2015 22:15:41 GMT -5 chiver78 said:

sentencing was today. I was surprised to find he'll be spending time at another facility in CO before being moved to Terre Haute, IN, for the completion of his death sentence.

Iggy aka IG - is this place anywhere near you? I know you've posted that you're in CO. states outside New England are so huge to me, I'm always surprised to hear that an in-state trip isn't a day trip!

ETA: forgot the link! link

Nope. 

And I, too, am surprised about his transporting.  I'll refrain from saying what a waste of money and resources.  Just should just "take care of him" at his current locale. 

[chiver78]

well yay for that, not being near the prison. I wasn't sure (and sorry to have sort of outed your locale there...) with how big the state is.

"taking care of him" is a little more difficult in his current locale - MA doesn't have the death penalty....