Fox Reporter Shows Massive Anti-Islamic Bias

[Tennesseer]

Jul 29, 2013 18:01:19 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

Jul 29, 2013 17:58:58 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Hey-if a Muslim cannot write a book about Jesus and the Christian faith then no Christian can write a book about Muhammad and the Muslim faith.  Simple!

Let's make a compromise. If a Christian writes a book about Mohammed and shows up on CNN, we won't call it "Massive Anti-Christian Bias" if the interviewer asks why a Christian is interested in Mohammed.

Deal? Deal.

Too late.  I believe the rule has now been set.  No Christians can write a book about the Muslim faith and no Muslim can write a book about the Christian faith.

[mmhmm]

Jul 29, 2013 17:56:34 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

Jul 29, 2013 17:51:04 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

Ms. Green didn't focus on why Mr. Aslan's objectivity should/should not be trusted.  Ms. Green wanted to know why a religious scholar, who happens to be Muslim, wrote a book about Jesus, recognized as a prophet by Islam.  Seems like a pretty stupid question to me.

Maybe not everybody in her audience (of millions) knows that Christ and Christians are referenced in the Quran.

At least part of her job is to ask him questions on behalf of the public.

It would seem to me, if a good portion of her audience is that ignorant, it would better serve them if she taught them, rather than supporting their ignorance with ignorant questions.

[Shooby]

Just because someone writes sa book doesn't mean we all have to fall all over him with an uncritical eye.

[Angel!]

Jul 29, 2013 17:44:24 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

There's some merit to that argument.

We can reasonably conclude that if Mr. Aslan believed Christ's teachings--including that Christ was the Son of God, and the Word made flesh--he would be a Christian rather than a Muslim. You cannot follow all of Christ's teachings and be a Muslim, nor can you follow all the tenants of Islam without violating many of Christ's teachings. The two religions are fundamentally different in many respects.

Hence we have a book about Christ being authored by a man who has implicitly rejected Christ's teachings in favour of Islamic doctrine. Islamic doctrine is a competing doctrine in a sense. It's the interviewer's job to ask tough questions--especially tough questions that the audience would likely ask. And one of the toughest but likely questions is: Given you adhere to a competing doctrine, why should we trust your objectivity?

She's giving him an opportunity to tell the audience why they should trust his analysis despite the fact that he's implicitly rejected Christ's teachings and adopted the teachings of a "competing" religion. In a sense, she'd be remiss not to ask the question.

Why would one have to believe he is the son of god to study his life and write a book on it? Or do we think books written on the Egyptian gods should only be written by followers of their religion as well? Can you only study and learn about a subject you have belief in?

I am starting to think the some of the right has a inherent mistrust in all scholars/scientists/doctors/etc. It kind of makes me sad.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Jul 29, 2013 17:59:08 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

Jul 29, 2013 17:55:46 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

The only logical conclusion here is that this guy's real mission is advancing an Islamic geopolitical point of view. That is why his PhD is in Sociology and hy he wrote his thesis is entitled Global Jihadism as a Transnational Movement: A Theorhetical Framework 

And it's logical that he would lie about that, because an Associate Professor in the Creative Writing department (what hereally does for a living) whose relevant credential is his terminal MFA in from Iowa who wrote a thesis on Global Jihad probably wouldn't attract near the audience, and might actually raise more eyebrows than just the uniquely astute journalists at Fox, to his book on Jesus.  

Face it: You libs have been had. Again.  I did literally five seconds of research and discovered the guy is a fraud. He deserved the questions he got, and now he owes an answer to the question of why he outright lied in response to Green's questions.

A Ph.D. in sociology is a relevant degree. If he studied religions during that time, I don't see that calling himself a religious scholar is disingenuous.

“Because it’s my job as an academic. I am a professor of religion, including the New Testament. That’s what I do for a living, actually.”

Um, no. Actually that's not your job, nor is it what you do for a living as an associate professor in the Creative Writing department .

I'm all for giving people the benefit of the doubt, but he outright lied in that answer.

I will shortly have his thesis and I'll review that. It should be fun.

[Shooby]

Oh please. If Rick Warren wrote a book critical of Islam libs would be lining up to castrate him. Geez.

[Angel!]

Jul 29, 2013 18:08:46 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Jul 29, 2013 17:59:08 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

A Ph.D. in sociology is a relevant degree. If he studied religions during that time, I don't see that calling himself a religious scholar is disingenuous.

“Because it’s my job as an academic. I am a professor of religion, including the New Testament. That’s what I do for a living, actually.”

Um, no. Actually that's not your job, nor is it what you do for a living as an associate professor in the Creative Writing department .

I'm all for giving people the benefit of the doubt, but he outright lied in that answer.

I will shortly have his thesis and I'll review that. It should be fun.

He wrote and sold a book on the subject. I think he can call that "what he does for a living".

[Shooby]

The feigned outrage over Fox news is wearing thin.

[Virgil Showlion]

Jul 29, 2013 18:04:51 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Jul 29, 2013 17:56:34 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

Maybe not everybody in her audience (of millions) knows that Christ and Christians are referenced in the Quran.

At least part of her job is to ask him questions on behalf of the public.

Then they shouldn't even comments about the Muslim religion if they know nothing about it.  Yet many citizens in Tennessee (especially Mufreesboro) are up in arms about Muslims in the state.  I bet 99% of those ready to run Muslims out of the state don't know Christ and Christians are referenced in the Quran.

Fine. So go wag your finger at them.

Jul 29, 2013 18:04:51 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

Jul 29, 2013 17:52:56 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

And you don't have to be an American to discuss American politics. And yet posters often ask me why I'm here. Especially when what I have to say about America isn't all that flattering.

It's a fair question.

I disagree.  I don't find it fair, at all, Virgil.  Being Canadian doesn't make you ineligible to discuss US politics, as long as you're willing to put in the time to learn something about what's being discussed.  Mr. Aslan is a scholar in the field of religion.  I'd say he's put in the time, wouldn't you?

Sure, because he presented his credentials and work history in response to her question.

He also emphasizes that it's his professional responsibility as an academic, which is brought up in response to her follow-up question.

[Angel!]

Jul 29, 2013 18:04:57 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Jul 29, 2013 17:57:54 GMT -5 Shooby said:

Massive Bias? Um yeah a bit overly dramatic. I was disappointed when I opened the thread.

The Libs have been trained to freak out at the slightest indication of a wedge issue or story that can be used to illustrate their preconceived notions like Fox is "right wing" and conservatives are racists, bigots, sexists, and homophobes. It's practiced political strategy.

LMAO.  While conservatives never freak out over wedge issues.

[Shooby]

I only freak out when I get a wedgie.

[Tennesseer]

Jul 29, 2013 18:10:31 GMT -5 Shooby said:

The feigned outrage over Fox news is wearing thin.

The feigned outrage over all things liberal is wearing thin too.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

I love it when a lib starts a thread here and they don't even know what it's going to be about when they post it. It's called Google people. It doesn't take much to find the dirt on this Islamist fraud.

[Virgil Showlion]

It would seem to me, if a good portion of her audience is that ignorant, it would better serve them if she taught them, rather than supporting their ignorance with ignorant questions.

Then you've just called Larry King an idiot, because his philosophy was to ask simple, ignorant questions and let his guest explain his/her viewpoint to the audience.

Interviewers are there to interview. Not to sermonize. Not to face the audience and apologize for their guests. Not to ask leading questions like, "We all know that Christ is referenced in the Quran. Is that why you wrote about him?" or anything equally presumptuous. Not to sit there and ask him what he thinks Christ's favourite colour was.

Simple, direct questions of relevance to the audience.

I am starting to think the some of the right has a inherent mistrust in all scholars/scientists/doctors/etc. It kind of makes me sad.

Yeah, right.

And Swamp is ranting about brown-skins and Mecca. Tenn is ranting about "Muslims aren't allowed to write books..."

Shooby has the right attitude in this thread. Roll our eyes, facepalm, and leave.

[Tennesseer]

Jul 29, 2013 18:19:39 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

I love it when a lib starts a thread here and they don't even know what it's going to be about when they post it. It's called Google people. It doesn't take much to find the dirt on this Islamist fraud.

I bet you will find your proof he's an Islamist fraud on one of your 'Trayvon Martin Was A Drug Addict and Budding Hood Rat' links.

[Shooby]

Oh ok.FAIL. lol

[Shooby]

when your facts are proven wrong go on the attack lol.

[mmhmm]

A Ph.D. in sociology is a relevant degree. If he studied religions during that time, I don't see that calling himself a religious scholar is disingenuous.

It isn't.  His Ph.D. in Sociology was, primarily, focused on religion.  He's also a visiting scholar at Drew University.  The man has good credentials to speak to the matter of religion, and every right and reason to write a book on Jesus, if that's what he chooses to do.

[Shooby]

Lots of people write books. So what?

[EVT1]

Jul 29, 2013 18:04:51 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Jul 29, 2013 17:56:34 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

Maybe not everybody in her audience (of millions) knows that Christ and Christians are referenced in the Quran.

At least part of her job is to ask him questions on behalf of the public.

Then they shouldn't even comments about the Muslim religion if they know nothing about it.  Yet many citizens in Tennessee (especially Mufreesboro) are up in arms about Muslims in the state.  I bet 99% of those ready to run Muslims out of the state don't know Christ and Christians are referenced in the Quran.

Or that they worship the same God.    Sad thing is I bet Muslims know a hell of a lot more about Christianity than Christians know about Islam.

Muslims have a better view of Jesus than the Jews do.

[cereb]

"I will shortly have his thesis and I'll review that. It should be fun."



LOLOLOLOLOLZZZZZZZZ!!!!! Tell us all Paul, where is your thesis, and when will you be posting it for review?

[mmhmm]

And Swamp is ranting about brown-skins and Mecca. Tenn is ranting about "Muslims aren't allowed to write books..."

If everyone who doesn't agree with you is "ranting", what are you doing, Virgil?  Is there another name for it when you do it?  Does the white steed you're riding to the rescue make it special, or something?

[cereb]

Jul 29, 2013 17:55:46 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Jul 29, 2013 17:37:09 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

Why would a scholar of religion who happens to be Muslim not write a book about Jesus?  Islam recognizes Jesus as a prophet, just as does Christianity.  Seems logical, to me.


*That said, I'm going to move this to Current Events.  It has nothing to do with politics, or the markets.

mmhmm, P&M Moderator

The only logical conclusion here is that this guy's real mission is advancing an Islamic geopolitical point of view. That is why his PhD is in Sociology and hy he wrote his thesis is entitled Global Jihadism as a Transnational Movement: A Theorhetical Framework 

And it's logical that he would lie about that, because an Associate Professor in the Creative Writing department (what hereally does for a living) whose relevant credential is his terminal MFA in Fiction from Iowa who wrote a thesis on Global Jihad probably wouldn't attract near the audience, and might actually raise more eyebrows than just the uniquely astute journalists at Fox, to his book on Jesus.  

Face it: You libs have been had. Again.  I did literally five seconds of research and discovered the guy is a fraud. He deserved the questions he got, and now he owes an answer to the question of why he outright lied in response to Green's questions.

Aslan's family came to the United States from Tehran in 1979, fleeing the Iranian Revolution. He grew up in the San Francisco Bay Area. At the age of 15 he converted to evangelical Christianity.[6] In the early 1990s, Aslan taught courses at De La Salle High School in Concord, California.

Aslan holds a Bachelor of Arts degree in religions from Santa Clara University, a Master of Theological Studies degree from Harvard Divinity School, a Doctor of Philosophy in the sociology of religion from the University of California, Santa Barbara,[7][8] and a Master of Fine Arts degree from the University of Iowa's Writers' Workshop, where he was named the Truman Capote Fellow in Fiction. It was during the summer before he went to Harvard that he converted back to Islam.[9]

In August 2000, while serving as the Truman Capote Fellow at the Iowa Writers’ Workshop, Aslan was named Visiting Professor of Islamic Studies at the University of Iowa, becoming the first full-time professor of Islam in the history of the state.[10]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reza_Aslan




Nah... not qualified to write that sort of book at all. <sarcasm>

BTWpaul, you did not quote or cite a link for your stolen blog paragraph. Just sayin... if you are going to harp on about the honesty of others.

[Deleted]

The interviewer couldn't even use the term begging the question correctly... Ironic since her own conclusions were the ones predicated on false assumptions...

a truly vomit worthy segment...

[Shooby]

Well toss in some Trayvon Martin and there ya go!

[cereb]

"I did literally five seconds of research and discovered the guy is a fraud."


Yes, obviously it was about 5 seconds worth.

[mmhmm]

Jul 29, 2013 21:12:30 GMT -5 Shooby said:

Well toss in some Trayvon Martin and there ya go!

*shudder*  Pleeeeeeease!  Have mercy!  Nooooooooooo! 

[Virgil Showlion]

Jul 29, 2013 21:05:54 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

And Swamp is ranting about brown-skins and Mecca. Tenn is ranting about "Muslims aren't allowed to write books..."

If everyone who doesn't agree with you is "ranting", what are you doing, Virgil?  Is there another name for it when you do it?  Does the white steed you're riding to the rescue make it special, or something?

My steed has a flowy silken mane and burnished hooves. Given to me by the Duke himself, she was.

Compare her to that glue factory reject Tenn rides if you want, but we've won Best in Show six years running at the International High Horse Rantapalooza. So put that in yer pipe and smoke it.

[mmhmm]

I'm afraid I've been around when it's been smoked, Virgil.  Smells like horse dung.  I'll pass. 

[Shooby]

Lol mmhmm!