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Post by marjar on Feb 13, 2011 18:23:45 GMT -5
Flu shots are a tough call. I usually skip mine, but I once lost quite a bit of money because I contracted the flu and it aborted a temp position that would have gone permanent. You are probably safe skipping it if you are a stay-at-home mom, but if you temp in a hospital during flu season... Not if you have kids in school.
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Post by marjar on Feb 13, 2011 18:28:41 GMT -5
The woman I mentioned was a teacher, with an underlying medical condition, and she didn't get vaccinated for H1N1. I'm not sure why, but knowing the family member she was good friends with, it may have been a fear of modern medicine. Sadly, her kids will grow up without her.
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Post by marjar on Feb 13, 2011 18:29:40 GMT -5
Good point. When my sister first started working in the public schools years ago, she brought back every germ known to mankind. It was fortunate that she got her own apartment before she polished off my elderly pop. Schools are germ factories, especially elementary schools.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Feb 13, 2011 18:51:24 GMT -5
The woman I mentioned was a teacher, with an underlying medical condition, and she didn't get vaccinated for H1N1. I'm not sure why, but knowing the family member she was good friends with, it may have been a fear of modern medicine. Sadly, her kids will grow up without her. What's really sad is that her death could likely have been prevented.
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Post by vonnie6200 on Feb 13, 2011 19:00:08 GMT -5
The woman I mentioned was a teacher, with an underlying medical condition, and she didn't get vaccinated for H1N1. I'm not sure why, but knowing the family member she was good friends with, it may have been a fear of modern medicine. Sadly, her kids will grow up without her. What's really sad is that her death could likely have been prevented. Very sad and unfortunate!
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Post by handyman2 on Feb 13, 2011 21:17:53 GMT -5
Little was heard in recent years of the whooping cough but I am old enough to remember how it was rampent in the school system at one time and the vaccine was a God send to the communities. However I have read it is making a comeback in some regions. The problem is that as a virus mutates the old vaccines may not work well. I have a close friend who does research on new vaccines and he says that they work constantly on trying to develop new vaccines that have no side effects like some of the old ones that had mercury in them etc. I had several vaccines while in school and suffered no ill side effets. The cost of developing and testing of a vaccine is huge and the companies only have 10 years to make a profit on them before they lose the patent and generics come on the market. I do not take the flu vaccine, I just reduce my sugar intake in the winter time and get by.
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Post by marjar on Feb 13, 2011 21:29:50 GMT -5
Part of the recent increase in pertussis may be because people aren't having their children vaccinated.
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Post by Mad Dawg Wiccan on Feb 13, 2011 21:37:29 GMT -5
Vaccines are like insurance. You can bet your life that you won't ever contract the disease and skip them, or accept the risks of immunization and get the shot. Very few people living in America today can even come close to understanding what a preventable contagious disease epidemic is like, even though Typhus killed over 20,000,000 in Europe during WWII. My mother was lucky, she survived.
If I had kids, they would be fully immunized. As I was.
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 13, 2011 21:36:48 GMT -5
To properly politicize this so maybe it does not get moved to the health board-- I think gov't and pharmaceutical companies are working hand in hand, I think swine flu was a huge scam, created in a lab somewhere and injected in to the population in order to create a billion dollar vaccine for the pharma companies.. LOL- give us something to talk about. krickitt-Just because you supposedly "properly politicize" a thread doesn't make it so. The intent of the author of this thread was to post about a vaccine-not about politics and/or the market.
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Post by Mad Dawg Wiccan on Feb 13, 2011 21:39:29 GMT -5
<<Part of the recent increase in pertussis may be because people aren't having their children vaccinated.>>
It may also be from the tides of illegal immigrants from countries where such vaccinations are only for the "wealthy".
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Post by marjar on Feb 13, 2011 21:41:13 GMT -5
<<Part of the recent increase in pertussis may be because people aren't having their children vaccinated.>> It may also be from the tides of illegal immigrants from countries where such vaccinations are only for the "wealthy". Probably both are contributing to the increase.
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Post by mmhmm on Feb 13, 2011 21:44:17 GMT -5
Let's face something honestly, shall we? Some people can take an aspirin, or eat a peanut, or be stung by a bee and drop over dead. Ergo, some people/children who are given a vaccine may get sick. Hell, they might even die! Idiosyncratic reactions are not rocket science. They happen. Still, if you decide to take the risk and not vaccinate your kids, you've decided to put their lives/health at risk because of something you have chosen to believe. To make the choice not to take the vaccine yourself is one thing. To make that decision for children, based on little more than smoke and mirrors, is quite another. If you make that choice, you can only hope (and/or pray, if that's your leaning) that choice doesn't come back to haunt you.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2011 21:59:41 GMT -5
Sure, Tenn, whatever. I was trying to be friendly to a new poster and not have her thread moved on her first stop in here. You want to move it-- you sure have the power to do it. She mentioned in the first post a mistrust of pharmaceutical companies. If you choose to think drug companies and politics do not mix-- does that make it fact? I disagree. Legal drugs and politics go hand in hand, IMO. 2nd line in the 1st post-- "Or, did some politicians get their hands greased so vaccine makers can make some money?"
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Post by ed1066 on Feb 13, 2011 22:42:48 GMT -5
Given the massive rate of illegal immigration and the failure of our govrnment to control the borders and test incoming immigrants for diseases, I would expect to see more of this in the future. Diseases that were once virtually eradicated in America, such as tuberculosis, measels and whooping cough, are now making a comeback because of diseased illegals entering the country. Well, you wanted "diversity", now you can contract a diverse selection of diseases we had previously defeated in this country...
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Post by mmhmm on Feb 13, 2011 22:54:49 GMT -5
The other side of that coin, Ed, would see our children vaccinated so they wouldn't catch the disease, if exposed.
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Post by burnsattornincan on Feb 13, 2011 23:04:03 GMT -5
Why should we have to take vaccinations, potentially unsafe, just to counteract diseases from people who shouldn't be here in the first place?
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 13, 2011 23:20:58 GMT -5
Mr. Burns - any of these diseases could be brought back to North America (via airplane or boat) by any one of our citizens. It only takes one person to bring a disease back regardless of legal status.
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Post by Mad Dawg Wiccan on Feb 14, 2011 3:53:05 GMT -5
Mr. Burns - any of these diseases could be brought back to North America (via airplane or boat) by any one of our citizens. It only takes one person to bring a disease back regardless of legal status. Multiply that by thousands who cross the border illegally weekly and the risk is greatly increased.
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Post by workpublic on Feb 14, 2011 9:22:44 GMT -5
Do you remember getting your polio vaccine on a sugar cube?
i do.
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Post by swamp on Feb 14, 2011 9:29:12 GMT -5
<<Part of the recent increase in pertussis may be because people aren't having their children vaccinated.>> It may also be from the tides of illegal immigrants from countries where such vaccinations are only for the "wealthy". But I thought once you enrolled your child in school, illegal or not, your child had to be vaccinated unless you signed one of the "opt out" reasons. And frankly, I think every kid should be vaccinated unless they have some underlying medical condition where it's not safe. All you freaks with the tinfoil hats babbling about government conspiracies and drug company profits really need to get a life.
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Post by workpublic on Feb 14, 2011 9:36:16 GMT -5
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Post by swamp on Feb 14, 2011 9:44:42 GMT -5
If you are a human being who wears a tinfoil hat, you're a freak.
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Post by workpublic on Feb 14, 2011 9:48:41 GMT -5
where does the tin foil hat come into play? are you denying tuskegee?
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Post by swamp on Feb 14, 2011 9:50:37 GMT -5
where does the tin foil hat come into play? are you denying tuskegee? Nope, I'm not denying tuskeegee, and fully admit the gov has done bad things. However, I have worked in govenrment and realize how hard it is to get everyone to do what they are supposed to do, let alone run some conspiracy. You also can't get most people to STFU about anything.
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Post by workpublic on Feb 14, 2011 9:53:48 GMT -5
looks like on a small scale it was/is possible though.
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Post by swamp on Feb 14, 2011 10:01:02 GMT -5
looks like on a small scale it was/is possible though. Small scale, it's possible. But a consipiracy between the DOH and all the vaccine companies, including the colleges/universities that do research, I don't think so. I think people talk too much about themselves for conspiracies to work.
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Post by workpublic on Feb 14, 2011 10:03:30 GMT -5
nowadays for sure. but back in the 50s 60s there were some "dedicated" govt employees ;D ever see "The President's Analyst" from the late 60s starring James Coburn? the phone company took over the world.
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Post by swamp on Feb 14, 2011 10:05:54 GMT -5
nowadays for sure. but back in the 50s 60s there were some "dedicated" govt employees ;D Who didn't have access to Twitter, FB, Myspace, and National Enquirer wouldn't pay for such stories...........
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Post by marjar on Feb 14, 2011 10:07:54 GMT -5
Wikileaks?
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Post by bean29 on Feb 14, 2011 11:24:55 GMT -5
I am with Gardening Grandma and SF on this issue. Consult with your Physician. I'll bet 10-1 odds that they will tell you to get the vaccine.
Conspiracy theories are all well and good but what if your are wrong. Will you be able to live with yourself.
One of the teenagers who died from swine flu last year was the child of one of DH's clients. She was healthy and active one week and gone the next. You will not have time to change your mind. When swine flu was going around last year I remember how anxious I was until our family got vaccinated. Even my DH got vaccinated. I asked him how it would affect his business if he got sick, or if people knew they were exposed to the disease by him. The available vaccines were prioritized to kids and adults in high risk categories.
My kids were some of the early adopters of the chicken pox vaccine. DS had it for probably 5 years before they made it mandatory. He is 17 now and was 1st vaccinated at 2-4. My DS had had 2 of her 3 kids get Chickenpox just before the vaccine became available. She said child #1 did fine, child # 2 was miserable and ended up with scars. I have chicken pox scars too, so to me it was worth the risk. I also have a bil that got chickenpox as an adult. If you have never had it, think about asking for the vaccine.
DD has had 2 of the 3 Gardisal series vaccines. I think it is the most painful vaccine she has ever had, but my OBGYN and her pediatrician seem to have no doubts about its value. We also discussed it on the old MSN boards and someone said they had contracted HPV and it is very painful. Why expose your child to that risk if you don't need to?
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