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Post by Frappuccino on Feb 13, 2011 12:44:10 GMT -5
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Post by ugonow on Feb 13, 2011 12:48:02 GMT -5
Welcome to the board,Rebecca,but this is probably not the right one to ask. Somehow it will lead into a lib or conservative conspiricy theory. You would probably have better luck on the healthy living board of this forum.
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Post by marjar on Feb 13, 2011 13:05:32 GMT -5
Pertussis is a problem in the area I live in, in the Midwest. I am middle age and I plan on getting a vaccination for it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2011 13:25:07 GMT -5
Hi, Rebecca. I only believe in mandatory vaccines, and that is only because they are mandatory. Too many vaccines are revealed years after they come out to be harmful-- like the one for little girls that is supposed to keep them from possibly getting cervical cancer down the road. I don't take or give my kids any vaccines not required by law. Not flu, nothing. Here's a fun video for you.. Don't Inject Me (the Swine Flu Vaccine Song) by the Health Ranger and a good website for people that think like I do. (Which you may not) www.naturalnews.com/Some people don't like this guy, some do. I do. Threw you an exalt welcome to the board!!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2011 13:27:29 GMT -5
To properly politicize this so maybe it does not get moved to the health board-- I think gov't and pharmaceutical companies are working hand in hand, I think swine flu was a huge scam, created in a lab somewhere and injected in to the population in order to create a billion dollar vaccine for the pharma companies.. LOL- give us something to talk about.
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Post by Savoir Faire-Demogague in NJ on Feb 13, 2011 13:36:25 GMT -5
I'd pose this question to your pediatrician and follow their advice. That is just me.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Feb 13, 2011 13:36:55 GMT -5
My kid was already vaccinated for pertussis, and now has to get another shot before entering 9th grade. I am tempted to turn in the waiver form to the school instead. I would feel horrible if my child ended up contracting whooping cough after I signed a waiver form though.
Before making that decision, I think I'd have a talk with my pediatrician and act on their advice.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Feb 13, 2011 13:38:40 GMT -5
Gawd! SF and I actually agreed on something.... LOL ;D
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Post by marjar on Feb 13, 2011 13:40:25 GMT -5
To properly politicize this so maybe it does not get moved to the health board-- I think gov't and pharmaceutical companies are working hand in hand, I think swine flu was a huge scam, created in a lab somewhere and injected in to the population in order to create a billion dollar vaccine for the pharma companies.. LOL- give us something to talk about. Do you really believe that?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2011 13:45:26 GMT -5
I may, marjar. I've read dozens and dozens of articles about the whole swine flu thing,
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Post by marjar on Feb 13, 2011 13:49:20 GMT -5
I may, marjar. I've read dozens and dozens of articles about the whole swine flu thing, Okay. Not sure what else to say.
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Post by Savoir Faire-Demogague in NJ on Feb 13, 2011 13:52:21 GMT -5
Gawd! SF and I actually agreed on something.... LOL
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 13, 2011 13:54:31 GMT -5
To properly politicize this so maybe it does not get moved to the health board-- I think gov't and pharmaceutical companies are working hand in hand, I think swine flu was a huge scam, created in a lab somewhere and injected in to the population in order to create a billion dollar vaccine for the pharma companies.. LOL- give us something to talk about. What a bunch of greedy little piggies they are!!!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2011 14:33:30 GMT -5
Hey-- we had a very political smoking thread moved to health yesterday. I'm just trying to do my part to keep politics kicking!!
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Post by marjar on Feb 13, 2011 15:19:00 GMT -5
I don't share your fear of vaccinations. You are old enough to recall what life was like before the polio vaccine, aren't you? The former BIL didn't have mumps as a child. He never got the vaccine, but did acquire mumps as an adult. Aside from being very ill, he had was unable to have children. Well, he had children, divorced, and was unable to procreate with the last wife. The problem was the result of having mumps as an adult.
Since I began getting yearly flu shots, I've not had the flu. I'd rather take my chances with the vaccines.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Feb 13, 2011 15:26:27 GMT -5
Since I began getting yearly flu shots, I've not had the flu. I'd rather take my chances with the vaccines.
Same here. When I was a child, the word "polio" struck a chord of fear. I was 10 or 11 when the Salk vaccine was introduced and I remember standing in line for it. When I had children of my own, it was a wonderful feeling to know that my children did not have to fear it.
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Post by marjar on Feb 13, 2011 15:33:52 GMT -5
Since I began getting yearly flu shots, I've not had the flu. I'd rather take my chances with the vaccines.Same here. When I was a child, the word "polio" struck a chord of fear. I was 10 or 11 when the Salk vaccine was introduced and I remember standing in line for it. When I had children of my own, it was a wonderful feeling to know that my children did not have to fear it. I was a few years younger when the vaccine came out. I also recall standing in line for it, as well as the measles vaccine. I remember that chord of fear and seeing iron lungs in hospitals. I'll take my chances with vaccinations.
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Post by marjar on Feb 13, 2011 15:56:11 GMT -5
Consult your doctor. Some vaccines do lose effectiveness over time. On the other hand, vaccination is not without its risks, so speak to those who know. I always do.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2011 17:13:57 GMT -5
No one in my family gets flu shots, and we also never get the flu. If I develop some health condition where the flu could kill me, I will rethink that, but for now I stick with what works for me. I prefer myself and my family not be guinea pigs for new vaccines. My girls did not get Guardasil, and now it is coming out that it is more harmful than possibly good. Some places are withdrawing it entirely, I read. I'm glad my grandchildren made it through the thimerasol laced measles shots (that they say do not cause autism, although some parents have been awarded millions and they no longer use thimerasol in that vaccine. People in trials of HIV vaccines are now testing + for HIV. What does that mean??Do they have HIV?? I don't know, but I sure don't want the vaccine, and I don't want anyone in my family to get it, either. IMO-- less of any drug, chemical, and vaccine is better than more. Personal decision.
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Post by marjar on Feb 13, 2011 17:45:03 GMT -5
Krickitt - It is your choice, but make sure it is an informed one and based on real science.
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Post by vonnie6200 on Feb 13, 2011 17:48:59 GMT -5
No one in my family gets flu shots, and we also never get the flu. If I develop some health condition where the flu could kill me, I will rethink that, but for now I stick with what works for me. I prefer myself and my family not be guinea pigs for new vaccines. My girls did not get Guardasil, and now it is coming out that it is more harmful than possibly good. Some places are withdrawing it entirely, I read. I'm glad my grandchildren made it through the thimerasol laced measles shots (that they say do not cause autism, although some parents have been awarded millions and they no longer use thimerasol in that vaccine. People in trials of HIV vaccines are now testing + for HIV. What does that mean??Do they have HIV?? I don't know, but I sure don't want the vaccine, and I don't want anyone in my family to get it, either. IMO-- less of any drug, chemical, and vaccine is better than more. Personal decision. On the flu shot - I thought the way you did until my aunt died of the flu - age 65 and then a few weeks later a co-worker of my mother's died also from the flu and he had been a healthy 30 something - I have had a flu shot every year since - and I believe it also lessens cold symptoms/severity
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Post by mmhmm on Feb 13, 2011 17:53:10 GMT -5
If it were my decision, I'd ask the child's pediatrician whether or not he/she would recommend the vaccine for kids in your area. That's usually the best decision a mom can make for the good of their little ones.
My great-aunt had polio as a child, long before there was a vaccine to prevent it. She was left crippled (walked with a severe limp) from the age of 11, and suffered pain in her leg for the rest of her life. The pain got worse as she aged. I don't wish that on anyone, and am thankful the vaccine was available for my kids. My brother and I, of course, got it as soon as it was available. Polio was a real fear in our area during the summer.
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Post by vonnie6200 on Feb 13, 2011 17:56:17 GMT -5
If it were my decision, I'd ask the child's pediatrician whether or not he/she would recommend the vaccine for kids in your area. That's usually the best decision a mom can make for the good of their little ones. My great-aunt had polio as a child, long before there was a vaccine to prevent it. She was left crippled (walked with a severe limp) from the age of 11, and suffered pain in her leg for the rest of her life. The pain got worse as she aged. I don't wish that on anyone, and am thankful the vaccine was available for my kids. My brother and I, of course, got it as soon as it was available. Polio was a real fear in our area during the summer. Do you remember getting your polio vaccine on a sugar cube?
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Post by marjar on Feb 13, 2011 17:56:56 GMT -5
An in-law's best friend died of swine flu related complications. She was in her 30's and did have an underlying medical condition. She didn't think she was THAT sick. Her family went out for the afternoon, giving her some peace and quiet, and returned to find her dead. The combo of H1N1 and her underlying heart problem killed her. She left 3 young children.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Feb 13, 2011 18:01:00 GMT -5
An in-law's best friend died of swine flu related complications. She was in her 30's and did have an underlying medical condition. She didn't think she was THAT sick. Her family went out for the afternoon, giving her some peace and quiet, and returned to find her dead. The combo of H1N1 and her underlying heart problem killed her. She left 3 young children. I had three great aunts who died in 1918 during the flu pandemic (no, I was not alive then). They were all healthy women in their 30's and had large families. I don't doubt for one minute that a flu pandemic is possible especially with the amount of worldwide travel that goes on. We're so accustomed to "the flu" being like a cold that it's hard to imagine it killing someone. But I've read a couple of books that describe that pandemic and it was horiffic.
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Post by burnsattornincan on Feb 13, 2011 18:01:05 GMT -5
Dear Ms. krickitt, you are absolutely correct. I would not get a vaccine of any kind today or recommend them to anyone in my care. I did get some as a child but that was not my choice however I think the ones from back then were more safe than todays actually. There was not such a money motivating agenda at the time. In times of obscene greed you have to be extremely careful with anything you get for "free".
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Post by mmhmm on Feb 13, 2011 18:02:49 GMT -5
My kids got their polio vaccine on sugar cubes, vonnie. No such luck for me, I'm afraid. We got stuck.
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Post by vonnie6200 on Feb 13, 2011 18:03:29 GMT -5
An in-law's best friend died of swine flu related complications. She was in her 30's and did have an underlying medical condition. She didn't think she was THAT sick. Her family went out for the afternoon, giving her some peace and quiet, and returned to find her dead. The combo of H1N1 and her underlying heart problem killed her. She left 3 young children. I had three great aunts who died in 1918 during the flu pandemic (no, I was not alive then). They were all healthy women in their 30's and had large families. I don't doubt for one minute that a flu pandemic is possible especially with the amount of worldwide travel that goes on. We're so accustomed to "the flu" being like a cold that it's hard to imagine it killing someone. But I've read a couple of books that describe that pandemic and it was horiffic. Spanish Flu - which I believe was similar to both the 68-69 outbreak of Hong Kong Flu (which my 40 year old mother contracted and spent a month in bed) and the swine flu - all H1N1 viruses
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Post by mmhmm on Feb 13, 2011 18:08:55 GMT -5
Under the right (or wrong, depending on how you look at it) conditions, H1N1 viruses can be deadly. Any underlying heart, or lung disease can make them very, very difficult to fight. So many end up on ventilators, fighting for their lives. They're definitely something to take very seriously.
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Post by vonnie6200 on Feb 13, 2011 18:10:15 GMT -5
Under the right (or wrong, depending on how you look at it) conditions, H1N1 viruses can be deadly. Any underlying heart, or lung disease can make them very, very difficult to fight. So many end up on ventilators, fighting for their lives. They're definitely something to take very seriously.
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