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Post by swamp on Jun 17, 2013 14:02:31 GMT -5
Mayor Bloomberg should outlaw hammers over 8 ounces... OK seriously, this used to be the kind of thing where the parents of the vandals would thank the neighbor for catching the kids and then give their own kids a whooping. ...:::"Police are the only group empowered to do that. He was correct in calling the police, but he should have let them do their jobs.":::... So if the kids had left, and it became a "his word against theirs" situation, would he have any prayer of getting recompense? After all, do you think any of those kids' parents would side against their little angels? ...:::"But I wonder what I would be if I found weeks of work destroyed by this bunch of pint sized criminals.":::... Does this factor in during mental state? I hope the neighbor gets off scot-free. ...:::"ETA - didn't see Thyme's post. I mistakenly assumed that the person who did the confining was the homeowner.":::... Is it worse if the one doing the detaining is also the property owner? If I caught someone breaking in, and I was able to subdue him/her and restrain him/her until the cops showed up, could I actually be charged? Because if we've hit the point where burglars have more rights than victims, screw this TSP/Roth crap and a 30 year wait. I can't remember my dad ever spanking me...but my ass would have been red for a week if he found out that I did something like this. I would have been safer locked in the closet I think I would have told the homeowner, "Oh no, it's fine, just let me stay in here. It's safer."
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Post by Shooby on Jun 17, 2013 14:05:35 GMT -5
Why not? If he felt threatened and they were on his property or property that he has a right to occupy, then if someone looks at your cross eyed you can take them out. Now you're changing the facts. YOu can't kill someone for trespassing. If they threaten you, that's different, but it better be a reasonable fear of death or serious physical injury. Looking cross eyed at someone isn't enough. Why not? What if i "felt threatened" just by them looking at me? They were holding hammers which i might perceive as weapon. He could have justifiably gunned them all down and you would all be here defending him if he did just that.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jun 17, 2013 14:06:18 GMT -5
I can't remember my dad ever spanking me...but my ass would have been red for a week if he found out that I did something like this. I would have been safer locked in the closet I think I would have told the homeowner, "Oh no, it's fine, just let me stay in here. It's safer." Exactly!
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Post by thyme4change on Jun 17, 2013 14:06:31 GMT -5
Gunning down an 8 year old with a hammer isn't going to go well for you.
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Post by Shooby on Jun 17, 2013 14:06:36 GMT -5
One guy in Texas i think shot a couple of guys in the back who were breaking in next door. He got off scott free.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jun 17, 2013 14:07:15 GMT -5
Now you're changing the facts. YOu can't kill someone for trespassing. If they threaten you, that's different, but it better be a reasonable fear of death or serious physical injury. Looking cross eyed at someone isn't enough. Why not? What if i "felt threatened" just by them looking at me? They were holding hammers which i might perceive as weapon. He could have justifiably gunned them all down and you would all be here defending him if he did just that. OMG...you sound like my kids when they were younger..."mom, she's looking at me"!
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Post by thyme4change on Jun 17, 2013 14:07:14 GMT -5
One guy in Texas i think shot a couple of guys in the back who were breaking in next door. He got off scott free. I bet those "guys" weren't 8 years old.
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Post by Shooby on Jun 17, 2013 14:07:17 GMT -5
Gunning down an 8 year old with a hammer isn't going to go well for you. Why not? You can gun down a 17 yr old with Skittles and Mountain Dew?
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jun 17, 2013 14:07:39 GMT -5
One guy in Texas i think shot a couple of guys in the back who were breaking in next door. He got off scott free. "guys", not 10 year old kids
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Post by Shooby on Jun 17, 2013 14:07:50 GMT -5
Hey, there were 4 of them. He could have easily felt threatened.
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Post by Shooby on Jun 17, 2013 14:08:47 GMT -5
One guy in Texas i think shot a couple of guys in the back who were breaking in next door. He got off scott free. "guys", not 10 year old kids So what? Kids have murdered people. He could have just shot them all with no repercussions.
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Post by thyme4change on Jun 17, 2013 14:09:17 GMT -5
Gunning down an 8 year old with a hammer isn't going to go well for you. Why not? You can gun down a 17 yr old with Skittles and Mountain Dew? I had a feeling you were going this direction. And I'm not going to debate this further. But, don't pretend to be an idiot who thinks the physical presence of an 8 year old and the physical presence of a 17 year old are even remotely the same. You have made your point. It is a dumb association and I'm not going to play.
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Post by Shooby on Jun 17, 2013 14:11:22 GMT -5
Why not? You can gun down a 17 yr old with Skittles and Mountain Dew? I had a feeling you were going this direction. And I'm not going to debate this further. But, don't pretend to be an idiot who thinks the physical presence of an 8 year old and the physical presence of a 17 year old are even remotely the same. You have made your point. It is a dumb association and I'm not going to play. It isn't a dumb association. If he would have simply killed them claiming to be scared or threatened, i would be no charges would be filed.
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Post by thyme4change on Jun 17, 2013 14:13:28 GMT -5
Because no charges were filed against George Zimmerman. Oh wait...
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Jun 17, 2013 14:18:01 GMT -5
I had a feeling you were going this direction. And I'm not going to debate this further. But, don't pretend to be an idiot who thinks the physical presence of an 8 year old and the physical presence of a 17 year old are even remotely the same.
It's not one 8 year old, it's 4 and they all have hammers. That's called a disparity of force and it does come into play as to how you can perceive whether or not you feel your life is threatened. The guy was 53, so not as young as if he were in his 30s either. And children running together in a pack have killed before.
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Post by swamp on Jun 17, 2013 14:20:06 GMT -5
Now you're changing the facts. YOu can't kill someone for trespassing. If they threaten you, that's different, but it better be a reasonable fear of death or serious physical injury. Looking cross eyed at someone isn't enough. Why not? What if i "felt threatened" just by them looking at me? They were holding hammers which i might perceive as weapon. He could have justifiably gunned them all down and you would all be here defending him if he did just that. You go in front of a jury with that and tell me how it works out for you.
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Post by swamp on Jun 17, 2013 14:22:09 GMT -5
Gunning down an 8 year old with a hammer isn't going to go well for you. Why not? You can gun down a 17 yr old with Skittles and Mountain Dew? No you can't. They guy who did it is on trial for murder.
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Post by swamp on Jun 17, 2013 14:26:44 GMT -5
One guy in Texas i think shot a couple of guys in the back who were breaking in next door. He got off scott free. They still were tried for murder. I wouldn't call that "scott free." Its stressful and expensive, and they probably spent over a year in jail waiting for trial.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Jun 17, 2013 14:38:30 GMT -5
One guy in Texas i think shot a couple of guys in the back who were breaking in next door. He got off scott free. They still were tried for murder. I wouldn't call that "scott free." Its stressful and expensive, and they probably spent over a year in jail waiting for trial. The home owner was never charged with any crime, that I could find.
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Post by HoneyBBQ on Jun 17, 2013 14:45:12 GMT -5
Why not? If he felt threatened and they were on his property or property that he has a right to occupy, then if someone looks at your cross eyed you can take them out. YOu can't kill someone for trespassing. You can in Texas!
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Post by HoneyBBQ on Jun 17, 2013 14:49:20 GMT -5
I know I would feel threatened with 4 kids with hammers. A 10 yr old could potentially be as tall as me! Though probably not an 8 yr old.
Seriously, 8 and 10 year olds have been in the news holding down and raping little girls or sexually assaulting them. Pack mentality, even for the young, is a scary thing. It's amazing how "kids" are not "kids" any more.
I would definitely feel threatened in this situation but I would never shoot a child. Even if they had a gun pointed at me. I just couldn't do it. Now if I were protecting my own child... that is another situation.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2013 14:55:18 GMT -5
We used to have something called citizens arrest. The kids did a MAJOR amount of damage. I see nothing wrong with holding them there while the police are on their way. I also seen nothing wrong with requiring the parents to attend parenting classes.
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Post by swamp on Jun 17, 2013 14:55:48 GMT -5
YOu can't kill someone for trespassing. You can in Texas! Yeah, it's a different world in texas.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2013 14:57:31 GMT -5
Kids younger than 8 walk around what assault rifles and kill people in the People's Republic of Congo.
Kids are animals.
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Post by souldoubt on Jun 17, 2013 15:01:50 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure in California if you catch someone breaking into your house and you hurt their feelings while screaming at them you can be charged.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2013 15:02:36 GMT -5
Kids younger than 8 walk around what assault rifles and kill people in the People's Republic of Congo. Kids are animals. They can be. The fact is anybody can be under the different circumstances.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Jun 17, 2013 15:16:03 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure in California if you catch someone breaking into your house and you hurt their feelings while screaming at them you can be charged. In California, if someone is breaking into your house and your choice is to either jump out a second story window or shoot the person coming after you, you'd better plan on jumping out the window. TX and CA are 2 extremes of the spectrum in being able to protect yourself in your own home.
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Post by constanz22 on Jun 17, 2013 15:21:57 GMT -5
Why not? If he felt threatened and they were on his property or property that he has a right to occupy, then if someone looks at your cross eyed you can take them out. Because it was NEW YORK, not Florida or Texas, or even PA, where you can legally shoot someone defending your home and property. Law abiding citizens can barely legally own a gun in NY state.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jun 17, 2013 15:23:16 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure in California if you catch someone breaking into your house and you hurt their feelings while screaming at them you can be charged. LMAO!!!
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