deziloooooo
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 12, 2011 0:02:50 GMT -5
"As far as the title of the thread..." Saudis Order Obama: Do Not Humiliate Mubarak"..
I agree..He had a good run..the thing is he probably started to believe his press..that he was looked up to as a great leader by the Egyptian populace when in reality, except for his leadership that got the pride back for the country in the last war with Israel...he was a despot, who had over a million and a half security force , larger then the real Military, a bit under 600,000...who's job was to be corrupt, spy on his people, harass every day Egyptians, act as anything but Police to protect the populace, who's forces used beatings, torture , jail and murder to stay in power which lasted 30 years.
During those 30 years..he was a friend to the US in their fight against terrorism, trying to get the Israeli's to get together to settle their differences.. lets face it , he sucked as a leader of a people , no matter what he personally felt about that, he sucked, he just sucked there, but as a ally to us and a friend..he was dependable and a great friend.
To humiliate him..not at all, and to thank him for his friendship, absolutely. To apologize to the Egyptian people for supporting him..no. Get over it, this is the real world of Nations, problems , alliances self preservation..what what nations do.
Feel sorry for him? No not really, as I said, as a friend he was great, as a leader and good for his people...besides the ones who drank from the trough of corruption and the abuse of the populace ...he as said just sucked.
He had a good run...great wealth...lived well ..had fame...could have made a better exit but also could have made it more bloody..lets say his age, stubbornness, believing his press , defender of the populace{did I say he sucked there?}...but Humiliate him, no .
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Post by formerexpat on Feb 12, 2011 0:16:07 GMT -5
Dez - your last post seems like deja vu - care to edit? Looks like you wrote in Word and pasted twice in here?
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 12, 2011 0:55:49 GMT -5
Dez - your last post seems like deja vu - care to edit? Looks like you wrote in Word and pasted twice in here? your right , thanks for the heads up..corrected.
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Post by rovo on Feb 12, 2011 13:44:25 GMT -5
When things turn sour it is common for the people to blame their leaders rather than look at the actual reasons. From what I have read, it appears this uprising in Egypt was prompted by high food prices.
Well yes, food prices are rising worldwide for a number of reasons. One of the reasons is because countries like Egypt do not grow enough food to feed the current population and by necessity must import food. Will tossing out Mubarak cause food prices to decline? I think not.
So how do countries get themselves into a situation where they can not provide for the population? Accepting foreign aid and using it to buy food on the open market doesn't help because the abundance of food causes populations to increase in size. When you start to mess around with the natural cycles of population control there is nothing but trouble in the future. Sure, a one season drought can be compensated for but continuing drought means the population must decrease because of lack of foodstuffs.
When you look at Egypt, try to consider what drives their economy. They don't appear to have much oil or other natural resources. I would guess they are primarily dependent upon the tourist industry to avoid being an impoverished nation. That's fine but what tourists will travel to Egypt in the middle of an upheaval? What about safety of the tourists? What is going to happen going forward? The economy of Egypt will take a big hit as visitors have avoided the place recently and may not return until things stabilize. Less GDP, still higher food costs, instability in the government. They are now worse than they were 4 weeks ago.
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 12, 2011 14:10:22 GMT -5
When things turn sour it is common for the people to blame their leaders rather than look at the actual reasons. From what I have read, it appears this uprising in Egypt was prompted by high food prices. Well yes, food prices are rising worldwide for a number of reasons. One of the reasons is because countries like Egypt do not grow enough food to feed the current population and by necessity must import food. Will tossing out Mubarak cause food prices to decline? I think not. So how do countries get themselves into a situation where they can not provide for the population? Accepting foreign aid and using it to buy food on the open market doesn't help because the abundance of food causes populations to increase in size. When you start to mess around with the natural cycles of population control there is nothing but trouble in the future. Sure, a one season drought can be compensated for but continuing drought means the population must decrease because of lack of foodstuffs. When you look at Egypt, try to consider what drives their economy. They don't appear to have much oil or other natural resources. I would guess they are primarily dependent upon the tourist industry to avoid being an impoverished nation. That's fine but what tourists will travel to Egypt in the middle of an upheaval? What about safety of the tourists? What is going to happen going forward? The economy of Egypt will take a big hit as visitors have avoided the place recently and may not return until things stabilize. Less GDP, still higher food costs, instability in the government. They are now worse than they were 4 weeks ago. Rovo, the reality is they are now a oil supplier, were a gas supplier but seems now with the gas line to Israel and Jordan out of action, being blown up, the gas is going to themselvs. Food prices have risen 17 % , that was one of the complaints, but when yo have 40 % of the population in poverty, licving on 2/3 $ per day, a educated class of young people who can't find jobs, over 12% unemployment and even higher on better jobs. Egyptian government promised those who had advanced degrees , if unable to find private employment , they would employ them, hugh civil service , and the waiting period for those government jobs is three years. There are 1.5 million Egyptians working for state security which ids the police AND as spies against the people, and a big secret service to be used against the people. Thirty years of this does get to peiople. Then you had the corruption . Of Mubarak and his cronies and supporters had stolen a bit less and spent more on bringing better jobs, investments to the country, even as a dictator, this uprising may never had happened , he would have lived out the tremaining time of his life as President IMHO. Nasser, Sedat..were also strong control pople..morned by all Egyptians, even Sedat after the assassination..someactually committed suicide in dispair at their passing..go google.. They were thought by the people as being true Patriots, concerned with the peoples well being. Seems Mubarak, was just interested in hard control , foot on the people for control. Anyone who spoke out even a sentence were destroyed. The last one who ran against him in the election, got only 7 % of the vote, a non entity, no threat, was arrested, spent 5 years of hard time in prison..many other stories of professors others, just a little disagreement of Mubarak, the regime, their lives destroyed. I think it was a lot more then high food prices that led to this uprising and revelution.
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