what pubs are saying back home

[deziloooooo]

I have public TV on..waiting for the "Charlie Rose " show on at 11 PM.."Washington Week " was on and they had a moderator and three panalist, newsfolks who have been out at different pub meetings and public gatherings and they find that the "Tea Party" is very influential...
What is coming from them and mainstream Republicans influenced by them, scared by them..what ever... is a simple statement and the same mantra where ever they go....

"WE do not want our people in Washington to co-operate with President Obama "

[pappyjohn99]

Republicans do not agree with POTUS. Nor does the majority of people that identify with the tea party. What's your point?

[deziloooooo]

Feb 12, 2011 1:22:06 GMT -5 pappyjohn99 said:

Republicans do not agree with POTUS. Nor does the majority of people that identify with the tea party. What's your point?

The point is that most Americans feel we have some problems that need solving..the Republicans control the House, the Democrats control the Senate and the Executive...we have two years before the next election..the Tea Party and Pubs too because they are scared S less of them are saying for the next two years you do nothing to solve these problems if it means cooperating with the President.

Now you may be perfectly satisfied with that as the way to conduct the busines of our government...do not cooperate with the POTUS on anything ..any proposal he comes up with ..No. Good, makes sense, No. Now if the pubs suggest it ..it's ok but no cooperation ..our way or the high way..

I don't feel that way..hoping enough Americans will feel that way..but what ever..not the way to run a business, definitly the government..you feel it is..I feel sorry for you..that's the point.

[pappyjohn99]

Obama is an idiot. The former democratic majority in the house was worse. Remember Ms. Pelosi? She knew a little about the concept of " My way or the highway." Stonewalling people that want more of the money I am working 70 hours a week for is a great plan IMO. I am sure that when people in Washington are watching events in Egypt and thinking about the tea party they are considering how long it will take to get to their escape routes when the time comes. I don't believe that solving the problems are high on their list of priorities. Padding their own bank accounts maybe?

Mr. Dezilooooooo, I know you enjoy pontificating on current would events so please, don't waste any time feeling sorry for me. I, and those I care about, are fine. And we will continue to be so. This country is passed the point of Washington being able to pull Americas chestnuts out of the fire. Don't worry though, people like me will be around to rebuild after the house of cards comes tumbling down. It should be quite a show.

[Mad Dawg Wiccan]

<<"WE do not want our people in Washington to co-operate with President Obama ">>






Nor do I, what he desires for this country and the world are in sharp contrast to my own.

[Deleted]

I heard something interesting on the boob tube yesterday. Obama did not support the people in Iran while their gov't was gunning them down in the streets, he openly insults and makes fun of the Tea Party, but he is all over supporting the Egyptian people. hhmmmmmmmmm.......the tea party is the American peaceful protest, so why is the tea party something to make fun of, but those people in Egypt are valid. Tea partiers are after change, also, and are not tearing up the cities and wiping out the economy in their protest. Is that what a rebellion needs to earn respect from gov't in this country?? Makes me wonder......
Supporting bad policy is never the right thing to do. Imagine if the Tea Party people went all Egypt suddenly, like SO many countries are right now-- what would team Obama do??

[deziloooooo]

Feb 12, 2011 2:59:14 GMT -5 Ratchets said:

So what you're saying is blindly voting for a piece of legislation within your party lines is wrong, or not in the best interests of the American people? And yet you still support Obamacare...sounds more than a little contradictory to me...

"So what you're saying is blindly voting for a piece of legislation "

I said that?? I mentioned "Obamacare "...I thought I just reported what is happening back on the farm with those who are considered "Teas Party " folk and many Republicans who are scared to death that they won't be considered "Tea Party" enough and don't want to suffer a "night of the long knoves " by thiose sweet fork so are jumping on the band wagoon and going along with any and all of that group..whether they believ in it or not..to question it..then it's political suicide in the up and coming pub primaries.

[deziloooooo]

Feb 12, 2011 11:17:02 GMT -5 @krickitt said:

I heard something interesting on the boob tube yesterday. Obama did not support the people in Iran while their gov't was gunning them down in the streets, he openly insults and makes fun of the Tea Party, but he is all over supporting the Egyptian people. hhmmmmmmmmm.......the tea party is the American peaceful protest, so why is the tea party something to make fun of, but those people in Egypt are valid. Tea partiers are after change, also, and are not tearing up the cities and wiping out the economy in their protest. Is that what a rebellion needs to earn respect from gov't in this country?? Makes me wonder......
Supporting bad policy is never the right thing to do. Imagine if the Tea Party people went all Egypt suddenly, like SO many countries are right now-- what would team Obama do??

No one is making fun of them and if you think the agenda of the group, "We do not want our people to co operate with President Obama " is a perfectly rational way to be a responsible legislature to work to solve out problems and if any do decided to negotiate with the other side to try and start solving the problems we are in..they are suspect by them and would be punished by no support and another in their place to be their candidate..then you and I have a problem.
Don't dislike you , just don't understand your reasoning.
Your insinuating the "Tea Party" has all the answers , all others are wrong.
They have to me a lot of dont's in their rhetoric but few do's to replace the don'ts , real practical ideas besides "cut programs,no spending.
Impracticle for a country like ours, for any progressive country..just not practical and as soon as all these programs were done away with and their constituents realize what is no longer available, help, programs that they themself use, need, they to lose their homes, investments, jobs and all of a sudden..they are on their own...and when they turn to their new representatives they are told.."Just suck it up brother..remember Tea Party forever "..ain't going to cut it.
I also don't understand your bringing in the Iranians, haven't seen were he is making "fun " of the Tea Party..may not agree with them..or their one sided approach to problems, supporting bad policy is one thing..working together to come up with ideas and legislation to solve problems is something else..

Tea Party want NO co operation if the president is involved. That makes sense to you?{whew..so k kid }

[deziloooooo]

Feb 12, 2011 3:16:54 GMT -5 pappyjohn99 said:

Obama is an idiot. The former democratic majority in the house was worse. Remember Ms. Pelosi? She knew a little about the concept of " My way or the highway." Stonewalling people that want more of the money I am working 70 hours a week for is a great plan IMO. I am sure that when people in Washington are watching events in Egypt and thinking about the tea party they are considering how long it will take to get to their escape routes when the time comes. I don't believe that solving the problems are high on their list of priorities. Padding their own bank accounts maybe?

Mr. Dezilooooooo, I know you enjoy pontificating on current would events so please, don't waste any time feeling sorry for me. I, and those I care about, are fine. And we will continue to be so. This country is passed the point of Washington being able to pull Americas chestnuts out of the fire. Don't worry though, people like me will be around to rebuild after the house of cards comes tumbling down. It should be quite a show.

I don't understand the "pontificating " here on this zone..

It's , thos zone, supposed to be a place for anonomouse folk to get together..many times the last thing many would want or do becaise of the differences in ideas , values.
It would be to much in the real world, face to face , to uncomfortable, "just don't want to be in their company "realism of life.

Why asociate with such folks is the reasoning. That is a fact and a truism. We socialize with those we like and are comfortble with and don't with those we aren't.

Here it is a place to anominously exchange ideas unless for you, if a idea/thought is expressed that you don't agree with you don't want to hear it.

If so, then i don't understand your participating here to be honest with you.

"Don't worry though, people like me will be around to rebuild after the house of cards comes tumbling down. "

That statement seems to insinuate you and others of the same view are the saviors of our society and those who disagree with your views are only interested in tearing it down and not willing to sacrifice and work for a better community and better country.

That is a insult , as you haven't a clue what those who don't agree with you do , are doing , or have done for their country.

Not a clue.

PS If you really arent interested reading ideas that you disagree with, there is such a thing here called , scroll, scroll..you might want to try it out, don't want you upset, it's a way to keep the uncomfortable feelings to a minimum.

[Gardening Grandma]

Feb 12, 2011 12:43:15 GMT -5 deziloooooo said:

Feb 12, 2011 11:17:02 GMT -5 @krickitt said:

I heard something interesting on the boob tube yesterday. Obama did not support the people in Iran while their gov't was gunning them down in the streets, he openly insults and makes fun of the Tea Party, but he is all over supporting the Egyptian people. hhmmmmmmmmm.......the tea party is the American peaceful protest, so why is the tea party something to make fun of, but those people in Egypt are valid. Tea partiers are after change, also, and are not tearing up the cities and wiping out the economy in their protest. Is that what a rebellion needs to earn respect from gov't in this country?? Makes me wonder......
Supporting bad policy is never the right thing to do. Imagine if the Tea Party people went all Egypt suddenly, like SO many countries are right now-- what would team Obama do??

No one is making fun of them and if you think the agenda of the group, "We do not want our people to co operate with President Obama " is a perfectly rational way to be a responsible legislature to work to solve out problems and if any do decided to negotiate with the other side to try and start solving the problems we are in..they are suspect by them and would be punished by no support and another in their place to be their candidate..then you and I have a problem.
Don't dislike you , just don't understand your reasoning.
Your insinuating the "Tea Party" has all the answers , all others are wrong.
They have to me a lot of dont's in their rhetoric but few do's to replace the don'ts , real practical ideas besides "cut programs,no spending.
Impracticle for a country like ours, for any progressive country..just not practical and as soon as all these programs were done away with and their constituents realize what is no longer available, help, programs that they themself use, need, they to lose their homes, investments, jobs and all of a sudden..they are on their own...and when they turn to their new representatives they are told.."Just suck it up brother..remember Tea Party forever "..ain't going to cut it.
I also don't understand your bringing in the Iranians, haven't seen were he is making "fun " of the Tea Party..may not agree with them..or their one sided approach to problems, supporting bad policy is one thing..working together to come up with ideas and legislation to solve problems is something else..

Tea Party want NO co operation if the president is involved. That makes sense to you?{whew..so k kid }

I gave you karma for that post...
Just saying "No" to getting anything done may play well with the far right, but it's not going to play well with the majority of Americans. If the House majority continues to "Just say No" to any and every proposal, they are likely to find themselves back in the minority after 2012..

[deziloooooo]

Feb 12, 2011 13:13:40 GMT -5 Gardening Grandma said:

Feb 12, 2011 12:43:15 GMT -5 deziloooooo said:

No one is making fun of them and if you think the agenda of the group, "We do not want our people to co operate with President Obama " is a perfectly rational way to be a responsible legislature to work to solve out problems and if any do decided to negotiate with the other side to try and start solving the problems we are in..they are suspect by them and would be punished by no support and another in their place to be their candidate..then you and I have a problem.
Don't dislike you , just don't understand your reasoning.
Your insinuating the "Tea Party" has all the answers , all others are wrong.
They have to me a lot of dont's in their rhetoric but few do's to replace the don'ts , real practical ideas besides "cut programs,no spending.
Impracticle for a country like ours, for any progressive country..just not practical and as soon as all these programs were done away with and their constituents realize what is no longer available, help, programs that they themself use, need, they to lose their homes, investments, jobs and all of a sudden..they are on their own...and when they turn to their new representatives they are told.."Just suck it up brother..remember Tea Party forever "..ain't going to cut it.
I also don't understand your bringing in the Iranians, haven't seen were he is making "fun " of the Tea Party..may not agree with them..or their one sided approach to problems, supporting bad policy is one thing..working together to come up with ideas and legislation to solve problems is something else..

Tea Party want NO co operation if the president is involved. That makes sense to you?{whew..so k kid }

I gave you karma for that post...
Just saying "No" to getting anything done may play well with the far right, but it's not going to play well with the majority of Americans. If the House majority continues to "Just say No" to any and every proposal, they are likely to find themselves back in the minority after 2012..

I believe that that is what a few, McCaine for example which is a new thing for me, {possible his reelection, that's out of the way and I believe this is his last hurrah there, six more years, survives will ride off into the sunset, has released him from the pressures to be politically correct} and a few other moderate and right thinking realistic pub leaders are trying to get across to the new members from the TP. If they are successfull, that is another thing and so far, doesn't seem to be working. Still time but....

[verrip1]

Tsk, tsk, tsk. The liberals still think they're in the majority and that the Tea Party is fringe ultra-righties.

That's exactly why they are doomed to failure. And they don't have the vaguest idea that it's happening.

[formerexpat]

If the House majority continues to "Just say No" to any and every proposal, they are likely to find themselves back in the minority after 2012.

If a "just say no" campaign works in eliminating the $1.5-2 trillion deficit per year under the past 2 congresses then they could maintain majority for a generation. Christie has been quite popular in NJ with a similar campaign. Ironically, the majority of people don't want the government to take care of them from cradle to grave and are tired of their government spending 100% more than they make. DC doesn't have a revenue problem, they've got a spending problem.

We can afford to just say yes to every entitlement that some believe they deserve. The pursuit of happiness is a right of the American people, not the subsidization of happiness as determined by the people not paying.

Your continued misunderstanding of the tea party movement is strikingly similar to the left's refusal to accept the movement as a threat to their power this past November.

In the words of BTO, You ain't seen nothing yet. The revolution is just starting.[/size]

[deziloooooo]

Feb 12, 2011 21:26:51 GMT -5 verrip1 said:

Tsk, tsk, tsk. The liberals still think they're in the majority and that the Tea Party is fringe ultra-righties.

That's exactly why they are doomed to failure. And they don't have the vaguest idea that it's happening.

Lastn time I looked and counted and your answer doesn't address the point of the thread..so I guess your one who believes that s the way to go for the next two years.
Been around a while, we'll see what happens , if it was all written in stone my friend why bother to go through the motions..

[Gardening Grandma]

Feb 12, 2011 22:04:34 GMT -5 formerexpat said:

If the House majority continues to "Just say No" to any and every proposal, they are likely to find themselves back in the minority after 2012.

If a "just say no" campaign works in eliminating the $1.5-2 trillion deficit per year under the past 2 congresses then they could maintain majority for a generation. Christie has been quite popular in NJ with a similar campaign. Ironically, the majority of people don't want the government to take care of them from cradle to grave and are tired of their government spending 100% more than they make. DC doesn't have a revenue problem, they've got a spending problem.

We can afford to just say yes to every entitlement that some believe they deserve. The pursuit of happiness is a right of the American people, not the subsidization of happiness as determined by the people not paying.

Your continued misunderstanding of the tea party movement is strikingly similar to the left's refusal to accept the movement as a threat to their power this past November.

In the words of BTO, You ain't seen nothing yet. The revolution is just starting.

[/size][/quote]

This is starting to sound eerily like what I heard in 1994.

[deziloooooo]

Feb 13, 2011 11:12:09 GMT -5 Gardening Grandma said:

Feb 12, 2011 22:04:34 GMT -5 formerexpat said:

If a "just say no" campaign works in eliminating the $1.5-2 trillion deficit per year under the past 2 congresses then they could maintain majority for a generation. Christie has been quite popular in NJ with a similar campaign. Ironically, the majority of people don't want the government to take care of them from cradle to grave and are tired of their government spending 100% more than they make. DC doesn't have a revenue problem, they've got a spending problem.

We can afford to just say yes to every entitlement that some believe they deserve. The pursuit of happiness is a right of the American people, not the subsidization of happiness as determined by the people not paying.

Your continued misunderstanding of the tea party movement is strikingly similar to the left's refusal to accept the movement as a threat to their power this past November.

In the words of BTO, You ain't seen nothing yet. The revolution is just starting.

[/size][/quote]

This is starting to sound eerily like what I heard in 1994. [/quote]

Help me out please..after reading your post I started to think what I ate yesterday..came up with a blank..couldn't remember if what I thought I ate was yesterday or the day before...1994??? Give me a break..PLEASE? What DID you hear in 1994. ;D

[marjar]

Feb 12, 2011 21:26:51 GMT -5 verrip1 said:

Tsk, tsk, tsk. The liberals still think they're in the majority and that the Tea Party is fringe ultra-righties.

That's exactly why they are doomed to failure. And they don't have the vaguest idea that it's happening.

No, we don't all think that, however, it is often the extreme members of the Tea Party that garner the most media attention. Also, a matter of perspective. There are those who may not consider themselves to be to the extreme right, while moderates and liberals may feel they are that extreme.

[deziloooooo]

Feb 13, 2011 11:26:24 GMT -5 @marjar said:

Feb 12, 2011 21:26:51 GMT -5 verrip1 said:

Tsk, tsk, tsk. The liberals still think they're in the majority and that the Tea Party is fringe ultra-righties.

That's exactly why they are doomed to failure. And they don't have the vaguest idea that it's happening.

No, we don't all think that, however, it is often the extreme members of the Tea Party that garner the most media attention. Also, a matter of perspective. There are those who may not consider themselves to be to the extreme right, while moderates and liberals may feel they are that extreme.

Glad to read your post..I agree we get carried away, both sides by the amount of press the extremist from both sides get and the moderate sound from the both sides is not heard, heres hoping the loud ones are in the minority and the voices not making the headlines are the majority and willing to find a common ground to advance our country and help solve these problems we face.

[Gardening Grandma]

Feb 13, 2011 11:13:52 GMT -5 deziloooooo said:

Feb 13, 2011 11:12:09 GMT -5 Gardening Grandma said:

This is starting to sound eerily like what I heard in 1994.

Help me out please..after reading your post I started to think what I ate yesterday..came up with a blank..couldn't remember if what I thought I ate was yesterday or the day before...1994??? Give me a break..PLEASE? What DID you hear in 1994. ;D

I was referring to the Contract with America when the Republicans took over the House. Two years later, although they did keep control, they lost 9 seats and Clinton was easily re-elected. My point was they were too ideological and not pragmatic enough to actually address problems that the American people cared about. This is what I'm seeing now.

[formerexpat]

This is starting to sound eerily like what I heard in 1994.

My point was they were too ideological and not pragmatic enough to actually address problems that the American people cared about. This is what I'm seeing now.

I've said on these boards on more than one occasion that we've got a perfect storm brewing, one that didn't exist in 1994.

One generation has promised itself trillions of unfunded liabilities [over $100 trillion to be exact] that it expects Gen Y. The Boomers have never had to think about other generations during their life because they've been the majority for so long. Gen Y is entering voting age and in the next 10-15 years, will be the majority of the voters.

Gen Y will veto the spending that the boomers have promised to themselves. It would benefit the boomers who realize this reality to adjust to this new reality now before s*** hits the fan.

So while the ideological rhetoric may have existed in the mid-90's there wasn't this cross generational obligation where one generation has built up 30+ years of promises to themselves that are coming due NOW.

Put this way - the credit card bill that has been building up the past 30 years is coming due in the next 10 years. The generation that did not spend the money will not pay once they are the majority voting block. They will force the boomers to adjust their standard of living very quickly. [/size]

[marjar]

Dezi- It gets more and more difficult to find common ground. Some folks oppose civil discourse. How does either side communicate and begin to bridge the gap, when they are so caught up in emotional rhetoric?

[deziloooooo]

Feb 13, 2011 13:03:42 GMT -5 @marjar said:

Dezi- It gets more and more difficult to find common ground. Some folks oppose civil discourse. How does either side communicate and begin to bridge the gap, when they are so caught up in emotional rhetoric?

Possible a few generations of one term stays, not by choice , but by the choice of the electorate..till they , the elected finally get the message as to what we the people want from them and they don't want to do it..ZAP...out they go.

What we want is discourse , meeting of the minds, consensus...to solve the Nations problems, help make and keep us viable, strong as the first and most important duty, all else is secondary.

They do that , we will let them play their silly political games a bit, just to keep their hands in, a bit of stroking of ego's, self masterbation for pleasure, as long as they realize we know they are games and silly, we'll tolerate their playing with themselves , but just to a point, their games take a back seayt to service of our wants and well being.