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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Feb 11, 2011 11:48:55 GMT -5
www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/stunning-data-obamas-first-two-years-a-complete-disaster_02102011The argument will be that President Obama inherited this crisis, recession, depression or whatever you want to call it. But we didn’t hear any complaints during the 2008 election campaign, so we assume that President Obama wanted the job and had a grasp of what it was he was signing on for. He got the job based on great marketing and the many promises made to his constituents. Many of them believed they’d receive free gas, free homes, and that they wouldn’t have to work for the American dream - it would simply be handed to them. Oh, how very wrong they were. As with all promises from politicians, one should always expect exactly the opposite. George Bush most certainly made a mess of things. President Obama promised to change that. (See the link above)
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Post by Savoir Faire-Demogague in NJ on Feb 11, 2011 12:03:09 GMT -5
I did not vote for the man, and the policies he is pursuing are highly detrimental to the country, however, the most damage was done following the 2006 elections when the dems took over congress. To say he is a complete disaster is a bit over the top. The early Clinton years were also a mess.
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Post by safeharbor37 on Feb 11, 2011 12:08:21 GMT -5
"He got the job based on great marketing and the many promises made to his constituents. Many of them believed they’d receive free gas, free homes, and that they wouldn’t have to work for the American dream - it would simply be handed to them." Yep. Whatchugonnado? If you aren't willing to take care of yourself, you have to find someone to do it for you. There is some ratio [as yet not precisely determined] of consumer to producer where there will simply not be enough for everyone. We keep increasing the ratio of non-producer to producer and the strain is beginning to show, but to the "Whatchugonnado" crowd, that simply means that the producers are too "greedy" to give them what they [think they] need. The obvious solution is to vote in someone who'll take from those who produce to meet the demands of those who don't. What could go wrong?
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Post by reasonfreedom on Feb 11, 2011 12:08:25 GMT -5
I did not vote for the man, and the policies he is pursuing are highly detrimental to the country, however, the most damage was done following the 2006 elections when the dems took over congress. To say he is a complete disaster is a bit over the top. The early Clinton years were also a mess. Yeah, but Clinton was bailed out by the internet boom if he didn't have that he would have had a negative deficit as well. I just don't see any miracle popping in to save Obama from this continued strain/delusion on our economy.
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Post by privateinvestor on Feb 11, 2011 12:08:41 GMT -5
How about Joe Biden saying that Mubarak is NOT a dictator...or Clapper trying to say the Muslim Brotherhood is a "Secular" group in Egypt and tried to downplay their Islamic fundamentalist beliefs..
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Feb 11, 2011 12:15:29 GMT -5
I did not vote for the man, and the policies he is pursuing are highly detrimental to the country, however, the most damage was done following the 2006 elections when the dems took over congress. To say he is a complete disaster is a bit over the top. The early Clinton years were also a mess. Yeah, but Clinton was bailed out by the internet boom if he didn't have that he would have had a negative deficit as well. I just don't see any miracle popping in to save Obama from this continued strain/delusion on our economy.
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Post by privateinvestor on Feb 11, 2011 12:20:46 GMT -5
Wall Street is breathing a little easier but Dow is down 2.55 pts
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 11, 2011 12:29:46 GMT -5
Now the Dow is up 16.35 points.
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Post by nicomachus on Feb 11, 2011 12:39:59 GMT -5
I don't blame any person so much as I blame the capitalist system. It isn't as if a Republican victory in the electoral arena would change anything at this point. We are seeing the end of a three-century-long experiment.
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Post by ugonow on Feb 11, 2011 12:52:34 GMT -5
We were much better off when the administration denied there was a recession and we all went on our merry way. I long for the good ol days.
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Post by nicomachus on Feb 11, 2011 12:53:43 GMT -5
"Don't mention the war."
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Post by ed1066 on Feb 11, 2011 13:01:18 GMT -5
I can't decide which is scarier, that there is someone so stupid, ignorant and clueless in a position of power, or that the Obama administration is so steeped in anti-American radicalism that they may really believe this...
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Post by thyme4change on Feb 11, 2011 13:48:59 GMT -5
I know there were reports of people wanting to get some "Obama Money" and I think that was funny and all - but really, how many people actually thought they were going to be handed free houses and free gas? If you told me that a huge number of people thought they would get free healthcare, I'd believe it - but free houses and gas?
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 11, 2011 13:58:00 GMT -5
Now the Dow is up 16.35 points. Down, up, all around the town..down 16% points..possible a good time to invest some $..mmmmmmmm oops..16 POINTS..and you post that as a big deal ? $ stay were they are..[sheesh Tenn you got me excited there for a moment}
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Post by burnsattornincan on Feb 11, 2011 14:06:36 GMT -5
I don't blame any person so much as I blame the capitalist system. It isn't as if a Republican victory in the electoral arena would change anything at this point. We are seeing the end of a three-century-long experiment.
Difficult to know where to start with this double edged fallacy of a statement. What has been the "three-century-long experiment"? I assume you mean capitalism. If so then I must tell you that true capitalism hasn't existed here since FDR. In fact, today's US more resembles communism than capitalism. I'm also going to assume you don't agree with capitalism so I suppose you would prefer communism - in that case then I don't know what you have to complain about.
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Post by privateinvestor on Feb 11, 2011 14:07:41 GMT -5
I can't decide which is scarier, that there is someone so stupid, ignorant and clueless in a position of power, or that the Obama administration is so steeped in anti-American radicalism that they may really believe this... The Director of National Intelligence, National Security Advisor, Vice President, Director of the CIA , White House Press Security, and Obama were all over the map on this one.....mixed signals, misstatements, and no answers are just another indication that Obama has to go in two years. We saw the same thing happen during the Gulf Oil Spill, 9/11 Mosgue Controversy, and it is getting to be common practice in this administration. To my way of thinking Hillary Clinton was the only one in the Obama Administration who has any credibility...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2011 14:52:18 GMT -5
She was also far more qualified to be POTUS.........
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Post by Mkitty is pro kitty on Feb 11, 2011 14:53:01 GMT -5
Many being a dozen or so people on the internet. History of Parliamentary life in Egypt Today's Egyptian Parliament is bicameral, made up of the People's Assembly and the Shura Council. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Parliamentary_life_in_EgyptCan't have a dictator and a Parliament. Oh, and how about Joe Biden isn't Obama. How about compared to early 2009? How about never. Nope. Yeah, like our economy is 99% .com businesses and stuff. What aren't Conservatives scared of?
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Post by floridayankee on Feb 11, 2011 15:40:15 GMT -5
What aren't Conservatives scared of? Liberals...we're mostly bored with 'em.
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Post by privateinvestor on Feb 11, 2011 16:35:56 GMT -5
Now it's the job market, stupid. Unemployment — and not the economy in general — ranked as the most important problem facing Americans for the second month in a row, according to a Gallup poll released Friday. When asked to name the biggest problem facing the country, Gallup poll found that 35 percent of Americans said “unemployment.” That’s the highest percentage in more than a quarter century, since October of 1983. The economy ranked second, with 29 percent of Americans saying it was the most important problem facing the country. Healthcare was third, and dissatisfaction with the government ranked fourth. www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41532555/ns/business-eye_on_the_economy/
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Post by ed1066 on Feb 11, 2011 16:51:19 GMT -5
Cuba has a Parliament. So does Zimbabwe. Are you going to say those countries are not under dictatorships?
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Post by verrip1 on Feb 11, 2011 16:54:03 GMT -5
Obama is scraping the bottom of the barrel by going to the Chamber of Commerce, whom his people have excoriated, and pleading with businesses to hire now based on patriotism, not business needs.
If that is Obama's current best shot at improving the job market, then we're in for a long period of high unemployment. And that's exactly what Bernanke has repeatedly predicted - a long period of high unemployment.
I can't see Obama winning a second term with U3 still above 9%.
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Post by privateinvestor on Feb 11, 2011 17:31:51 GMT -5
We need to see unemployment @5% for Obama to get re elected in 2012....and that is not going to happen if you believe Bernanke or other leading Economists who are studying this issue 24/7 Plus you have the threat of inflation risiing its ugly head again in 2011 and 2012....which could stiiffle any job growth..
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Feb 11, 2011 18:03:39 GMT -5
Cuba has a Parliament. So does Zimbabwe. Are you going to say those countries are not under dictatorships? Rome was a republic. Hitler was elected Chancellor of Germany. Words.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Feb 11, 2011 18:05:12 GMT -5
Now it's the job market, stupid. Unemployment — and not the economy in general — ranked as the most important problem facing Americans for the second month in a row, according to a Gallup poll released Friday. When asked to name the biggest problem facing the country, Gallup poll found that 35 percent of Americans said “unemployment.” That’s the highest percentage in more than a quarter century, since October of 1983. The economy ranked second, with 29 percent of Americans saying it was the most important problem facing the country. Healthcare was third, and dissatisfaction with the government ranked fourth. www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41532555/ns/business-eye_on_the_economy/That'll be true until the price of gasoline hits $5 and milk is $7 bucks a gallon.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Feb 11, 2011 18:05:34 GMT -5
Or you just plain can't get gas because it's not available. Obama = Carter.
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Post by burnsattornincan on Feb 11, 2011 22:07:48 GMT -5
The country would rebel if he did, and the repubs are just playing games to get in, they won't do it either.
Dear Ms. patrioticstablest, you sound like a different woman. Less liberal and more informed, though I'm not saying you were misinformed. All the current problems and personal solutions you seem to have are born from liberal policies which have created a dependent state and have millions that rely on it with an end date nearly within sight. Desperate people are capable of nearly anything. That is why my client fiscan, whom you might remember from MSN, was always touting guns and ammunition as a deterrent to roving gangs looking for anything of worth. From what we see in Egypt, that would be a good idea.
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 12, 2011 2:21:05 GMT -5
We need to see unemployment @5% for Obama to get re elected in 2012....and that is not going to happen if you believe Bernanke or other leading Economists who are studying this issue 24/7 Plus you have the threat of inflation risiing its ugly head again in 2011 and 2012....which could stiiffle any job growth.. you will not see 5% unemployment probably in your life time ed...or if so, you will be collecting SS when it gets that low...
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 12, 2011 2:30:19 GMT -5
The current economic situation has been coming for a long long time. He tried what historically worked, put money in to help prop people up till jobs sort of came back again. But this time its all different. If you had been reading the WSJ in 2007 they were saying outsourcing was just starting to go, that it was going to ramp up year after year, that 2009 and 2010 would see millions of jobs go. That was industry plans and had been for some time. It flooded under bush but they would put out UE stats, then quietly ramp the figures up after the fact month after month. It was out of hand long ago. Until industry does something or the government puts import tarrifs up so high that people stop buying this imported crap or some such fix none of the fixes will work. People don't realize by buying this stuff they are cutting their own throats, I try to buy everything domestic I can, but it gets smaller and smaller. We can fix these issues but big money and the bought off congress don't want to. Business thinks there will be enough sales from overseas that it won't make any difference, but where will their safe base be eventually? Very very shortsighted, everything for the bottom line today. They used to build for the future, no more. Porous borders, lower wages, no jobs, national debt bad. The tough decisions and work needed to fix it isn't going to happen and that spells disaster. Don't kid yourself Obama knows what needs done, but his hands are tied, he can't do it. The country would rebel if he did, and the repubs are just playing games to get in, they won't do it either. "puts import tarrifs " and when they do they, the other side does the same..we still export tons. History shows high tariffs do not work . He did make a suggestion and no one wants to hear it..government investment for the 21st century industries..as china, S Korea others are doing it in the Billions..none here want to discuss it..thats ok , we don't mean anything but those who do mean something , the elected, they are not interested either. That's why we will be a follower in the future not a leader. "he can't do it. The country would rebel if he did, and the repubs are just playing games to get in, they won't do it either"..You get a exalt for that because your right , hope all my pub friends see it and read it ...it's true.
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Post by Mad Dawg Wiccan on Feb 12, 2011 3:13:16 GMT -5
<<Until industry does something or the government puts import tariffs up so high that people stop buying this imported crap or some such fix none of the fixes will work.>>
I agree. In order for outsourced jobs to return to this country, it must be, at the bottom line, more profitable for them to perform operations here rather than abroad. I can see granting exemptions to countries that export to us commodities that cannot be produced here, but not to countries like China and India.
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