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Post by Sum Dum Gai on May 1, 2013 0:40:35 GMT -5
What's the point? What's the point?!?! Come on dude, it's so these guys:  And these guys:  Can argue and call each other names before deciding which of their dumbass ideas get to become law for four years. Duh. |
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Post by Waffle on May 1, 2013 7:03:38 GMT -5
I wonder if the results would have been different if the questions called it Obamacare instead of the Affordable Care Act.
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Post by TonyTiger on May 1, 2013 7:20:36 GMT -5
firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/04/30/17988277-poll-many-americans-uninformed-about-health-care-overhaul-some-dont-know-its-law?lite" A whopping 42 percent of Americans do not know that the Affordable Care Act is, in fact, law. Included in that 42 percent -- 12 percent believe it has been repealed by Congress, 7 percent think the U.S. Supreme Court overturned it, and 23 percent are unsure of its status, according to a Kaiser Family Foundation health tracking poll..." ---------- Ditto our colleague... re-label it "ObamaCare" and your numbers should pick up...    =================== " ...Damn- just when I was 100% against the electoral college and literacy tests..... Maybe too dumb to vote is a valid concern..." ---------- Didn't they get rid of the Jim Crow Laws ( including literacy tests and poll-taxes) a few decades ago?  =================== "...Sure as shit the cheap seats are deciding our elections."
---------- You may be right. That would certainly account ( at least in part) for the outcome of the last two Presidential elections... |
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Post by billisonboard on May 1, 2013 8:45:32 GMT -5
I wonder if the results would have been different if the questions called it Obamacare instead of the Affordable Care Act. O1. As you may know, a health care bill was signed into law in March 2010. As far as you know, which comes closest to describing the current status of the health care law?(READ AND RANDOMIZE ITEMS)
04/13
It is still the law of the land and is being implemented 59
It has been overturned by the Supreme Court and is no longer law 7
It has been repealed by Congress and is no longer law 12
Don’t know/Refused 23
www.kff.org/kaiserpolls/upload/8439-T.pdf |
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Post by Waffle on May 1, 2013 9:19:27 GMT -5
I wonder if the results would have been different if the questions called it Obamacare instead of the Affordable Care Act. O1. As you may know, a health care bill was signed into law in March 2010. As far as you know, which comes closest to describing the current status of the health care law?(READ AND RANDOMIZE ITEMS)
04/13
It is still the law of the land and is being implemented 59
It has been overturned by the Supreme Court and is no longer law 7
It has been repealed by Congress and is no longer law 12
Don’t know/Refused 23
www.kff.org/kaiserpolls/upload/8439-T.pdfWell, that question was pretty clear - I guess I have no excuses for our fellow Americans, now! |
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on May 1, 2013 10:06:59 GMT -5
LIV nation. What do you want after decades of government run indoctrination centers?
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Post by cme1201 on May 1, 2013 10:31:55 GMT -5
What exactly does elections have to do with a lack of Healthcare understanding?
No non-politician individual voted for this, meaning the election angle is ridiculous.
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Post by swamp on May 1, 2013 10:48:58 GMT -5
I wonder if the results would have been different if the questions called it Obamacare instead of the Affordable Care Act. considering most people I run into think that Obamacare means "socialized medicine" and the end of the world as we know it, I doubt it. |
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Post by djAdvocate on May 1, 2013 11:57:08 GMT -5
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Post by TonyTiger on May 1, 2013 13:20:51 GMT -5
I wonder if the results would have been different if the questions called it Obamacare instead of the Affordable Care Act. O1. As you may know, a health care bill was signed into law in March 2010. As far as you know, which comes closest to describing the current status of the health care law?(READ AND RANDOMIZE ITEMS)
04/13
It is still the law of the land and is being implemented 59
It has been overturned by the Supreme Court and is no longer law 7
It has been repealed by Congress and is no longer law 12
Don’t know/Refused 23
www.kff.org/kaiserpolls/upload/8439-T.pdfSee... They didn't use the phrase "Obamacare"...  |
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Post by djAdvocate on May 1, 2013 13:32:22 GMT -5
O1. As you may know, a health care bill was signed into law in March 2010. As far as you know, which comes closest to describing the current status of the health care law?(READ AND RANDOMIZE ITEMS)
04/13
It is still the law of the land and is being implemented 59
It has been overturned by the Supreme Court and is no longer law 7
It has been repealed by Congress and is no longer law 12
Don’t know/Refused 23
www.kff.org/kaiserpolls/upload/8439-T.pdfSee... They didn't use the phrase "Obamacare"... i know you were kidding, but you might actually be RIGHT, Tony. |
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Post by TonyTiger on May 1, 2013 13:53:38 GMT -5
See... They didn't use the phrase "Obamacare"... i know you were kidding, but you might actually be RIGHT, Tony. I was both kidding and serious, simultaneously, and genuinely... it was Schizophrenic Hour after lunch today... |
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Post by djAdvocate on May 1, 2013 14:06:23 GMT -5
i know you were kidding, but you might actually be RIGHT, Tony. I was both kidding and serious, simultaneously, and genuinely... it was Schizophrenic Hour after lunch today... LOL! |
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Post by cme1201 on May 1, 2013 14:06:46 GMT -5
Still waiting to see what this has to do with Elections
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Post by TonyTiger on May 1, 2013 14:10:25 GMT -5
Still waiting to see what this has to do with Elections I think the thrust was that if voters aren't even on-top of the Obamacare situation, how can they be expected to make intelligent choices in an election... the convo drifted a bit after that... |
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Post by EVT1 on May 1, 2013 14:49:55 GMT -5
Was my point- the largest piece of legislation in a long time, the most hotly contested and talked about for about a year, that brought protests and the Scotus into it- and the best the public can do is get is 59% correct.
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Post by Peace Of Mind on May 1, 2013 16:58:05 GMT -5
I'd bet most of those that don't care about their medical ins. and the new laws sure don't care about who is in office and don't even vote. Or maybe I'm wishful thinking.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on May 1, 2013 17:15:13 GMT -5
Could be just a simple case of information overload. The MSM broadcasts so much editorial detritus, it's hard to tell what's being repealed, what's been repealed, what will be repealed, what was partially repealed, what was instituted but never came into effect, ...
I'm with CME in wondering what this has to do with elections. I don't see anything in the data that correlates responses to voting habits.
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Post by Robert not Bobby on May 1, 2013 17:23:06 GMT -5
This surprises you? I think I saw somewhere that 70 per cent of Americans believe in ghosts...can the tooth ferry be far behind? I wouldn't be surprised if 80 per cent of Americans don't know where Canada or Mexico is (Mexico...those little bown aliens). There should be a "not too stupid to vote or breed test"...and I'm only half kidding. But some smarmy half-witted message board consitutional lawyer will put me right, I'm sure. Night, and don't let them there bed bugs bite. |
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2013 17:24:28 GMT -5
I wonder if the results would have been different if the questions called it Obamacare instead of the Affordable Care Act. I work on a similar (albeit much much smaller) poll - every year, we debate whether or not to use the term "Obamacare" as a reference. We haven't yet, but like Kaiser, we have accepted that no one knows what the hell the ACA is, so we have to call it the health care reform law too. |
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Post by TonyTiger on May 1, 2013 18:20:51 GMT -5
I wonder if the results would have been different if the questions called it Obamacare instead of the Affordable Care Act. I work on a similar (albeit much much smaller) poll - every year, we debate whether or not to use the term "Obamacare" as a reference. We haven't yet, but like Kaiser, we have accepted that no one knows what the hell the ACA is, so we have to call it the health care reform law too. Come over to the Dark Side... call it ObamaCare... and put an end to your problems... |
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Post by fairlycrazy23 on May 7, 2013 8:20:15 GMT -5
Could be just a simple case of information overload. The MSM broadcasts so much editorial detritus, it's hard to tell what's being repealed, what's been repealed, what will be repealed, what was partially repealed, what was instituted but never came into effect, ... I'm with CME in wondering what this has to do with elections. I don't see anything in the data that correlates responses to voting habits. It is not information overload; It is low/no information, if it was not presented by an entertainment venue they probably don't know about it. It seems clear how it relates to elections; The electorate in the US is woefully ignorant |
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Post by Virgil Showlion on May 7, 2013 10:44:26 GMT -5
Could be just a simple case of information overload. The MSM broadcasts so much editorial detritus, it's hard to tell what's being repealed, what's been repealed, what will be repealed, what was partially repealed, what was instituted but never came into effect, ... I'm with CME in wondering what this has to do with elections. I don't see anything in the data that correlates responses to voting habits. It is not information overload; It is low/no information, if it was not presented by an entertainment venue they probably don't know about it. It seems clear how it relates to elections; The electorate in the US is woefully ignorant It's obviously going to be some mix of the two, as well as other factors. Unfortunately these studies don't often tell us why Americans think they way they do. |
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Post by The Captain on May 7, 2013 12:24:10 GMT -5
FWIW the polling question(s) were poorly worded.
Ok, Obamacare vs. ACA - yea some will miss that.
BUT the first question:
"O1. As you may know, a health care bill was signed into law in March 2010. As far as you know, which comes closest to describing the current status of the health care law?(READ AND RANDOMIZE ITEMS)
04/13
It is still the law of the land and is being implemented "
is only partially true as I understand it. Didn't the original law REQUIRE states to particpate in the expanded Medicaid provisions or forego all Federal funding? I think that provision was struck down by the Supreme court so only PART of the law is being implemented...
For once though I agree with evt1 - maybe not everyone should be allowed to vote...
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Post by The Captain on May 7, 2013 12:24:46 GMT -5
FWIW the polling question(s) were poorly worded.
Ok, Obamacare vs. ACA - yea some will miss that.
BUT the first question:
"O1. As you may know, a health care bill was signed into law in March 2010. As far as you know, which comes closest to describing the current status of the health care law?(READ AND RANDOMIZE ITEMS)
04/13
It is still the law of the land and is being implemented "
is only partially true as I understand it. Didn't the original law REQUIRE states to particpate in the expanded Medicaid provisions or forego all Federal funding? I think that provision was struck down by the Supreme court so only PART of the law is being implemented...
For once though I agree with evt1 - maybe not everyone should be allowed to vote...
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Post by djAdvocate on May 7, 2013 14:55:19 GMT -5
FWIW the polling question(s) were poorly worded. Ok, Obamacare vs. ACA - yea some will miss that. BUT the first question: "O1. As you may know, a health care bill was signed into law in March 2010. As far as you know, which comes closest to describing the current status of the health care law?(READ AND RANDOMIZE ITEMS) 04/13 It is still the law of the land and is being implemented " is only partially true as I understand it. Didn't the original law REQUIRE states to particpate in the expanded Medicaid provisions or forego all Federal funding? I think that provision was struck down by the Supreme court so only PART of the law is being implemented... For once though I agree with evt1 - maybe not everyone should be allowed to vote... how about those with a college degree? |
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Post by EVT1 on May 7, 2013 16:23:03 GMT -5
Awe come on- all of the college graduates are liberals. Are you really going to keep Rush, Hannity or Beck from voting? |
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