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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2012 7:58:51 GMT -5
Do as I say not as I do, then? Yes, of course. She is a teacher... She is not Jesus. Jesus wouldn't make spelling errors, silly!
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Post by milee on Sept 17, 2012 7:59:42 GMT -5
Depends on the subject they teach. Frankly, I wouldn't really care if the math teacher couldn't spell. I just think it's odd that a teacher that is teaching and correcting spelling and grammar can't spell or write properly.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2012 8:01:06 GMT -5
Depends on the subject they teach. Frankly, I wouldn't really care if the math teacher couldn't spell. I just think it's odd that a teacher that is teaching and correcting spelling and grammar can't spell or write properly. Would you rather she didn't care that your kids couldn't do it either?
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Post by raeoflyte on Sept 17, 2012 8:10:32 GMT -5
Milee--what are your thoughts on homeschooling around your work schedule?
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Post by milee on Sept 17, 2012 8:24:28 GMT -5
Depends on the subject they teach. Frankly, I wouldn't really care if the math teacher couldn't spell. I just think it's odd that a teacher that is teaching and correcting spelling and grammar can't spell or write properly. Would you rather she didn't care that your kids couldn't do it either? Actually, if her grammar and spelling were acceptable, we wouldn't be having this conversation. Yes, I think her standards are a little high given the age of the students, but if she herself was an expert and demonstrated the same skills she expects from the students I'd probably just roll with it.
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Post by milee on Sept 17, 2012 8:25:58 GMT -5
Milee--what are your thoughts on homeschooling around your work schedule? Not sure how it will work at all. Not only that, but I'm terrified I'll mess up my kid. When I send him to school to get messed up, I can be critical of the other people who are doing the messing. Once I take over, all that's on me. Scary.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2012 8:26:49 GMT -5
Would you rather she didn't care that your kids couldn't do it either? Actually, if her grammar and spelling were acceptable, we wouldn't be having this conversation. Yes, I think her standards are a little high given the age of the students, but if she herself was an expert and demonstrated the same skills she expects from the students I'd probably just roll with it. Interesting.
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Post by Loopdilou on Sept 17, 2012 9:13:30 GMT -5
Has she ever corrected your child's homework incorrectly? If no, she's just like the rest of us... human .
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2012 9:39:30 GMT -5
What difference does that make if she is teaching your son to do it correctly?
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Post by justme on Sept 17, 2012 9:55:29 GMT -5
I keep hearing this "red pens aren't allowed in most places anymore". I have never worked for a school that said No Red Pens. I worked for 6 different districts in Michigan, 1 in Texas, and 1 in Kansas. None of them ever told the teachers that they could not use a red pen. I honestly do not understand what is so offensive over a red pen. Because then the precious kids know they got things wrong? It's more soothing to be wrong if it's in purple ink or something? To me it sounds like the complaint of the parents upset because everyone didn't get a trophy in t-ball.
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Post by milee on Sept 17, 2012 9:57:38 GMT -5
What difference does that make if she is teaching your son to do it correctly? I'm not in the class all day. How do I know if she's spelling correctly and using proper grammar in her teaching? Given the constant errors in what she sends home (and some of the errors are on letters just to parents and some are on the actual homework handouts for the children), there's a reasonable chance she's not teaching them correctly. A large part of her methodology is to write things on the board or give them a handout to copy. How often is she misspelling things or using incorrect grammar on the board?
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Post by milee on Sept 17, 2012 9:59:51 GMT -5
Appleseed counts as a p/e if you home school. I had signed up my older son and myself up for Appleseed this spring. Unfortunately we had a last minute issue and had to cancel. We'll probably reschedule this winter when it gets cool enough to be outside in the sun all day. Not sure the younger son - the one who has the teacher in question - is ready for Appleseed. Maybe in a few years.
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Post by milee on Sept 17, 2012 10:06:24 GMT -5
I'd rather just vent here, though, than alienate someone my little guy spends 7 hours a day with. I can get that.... photocopy red pen mail anonymously You are an evil genius. I love your sneaky ways. Not sure I'd be able to pull something like that off, but I do give you credit for making me smile on this one.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2012 10:06:33 GMT -5
What difference does that make if she is teaching your son to do it correctly? I'm not in the class all day. How do I know if she's spelling correctly and using proper grammar in her teaching? Given the constant errors in what she sends home (and some of the errors are on letters just to parents and some are on the actual homework handouts for the children), there's a reasonable chance she's not teaching them correctly. A large part of her methodology is to write things on the board or give them a handout to copy. How often is she misspelling things or using incorrect grammar on the board? You see how she marks his work. Other than having a high standard is it correct? BTW I saw the part where you are just venting. I know you aren't going to freak on her about it. But if you are seriously concerned about the quality of what she is teaching you should get on her case about it.
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Post by milee on Sept 17, 2012 10:08:45 GMT -5
I'm not in the class all day. How do I know if she's spelling correctly and using proper grammar in her teaching? Given the constant errors in what she sends home (and some of the errors are on letters just to parents and some are on the actual homework handouts for the children), there's a reasonable chance she's not teaching them correctly. A large part of her methodology is to write things on the board or give them a handout to copy. How often is she misspelling things or using incorrect grammar on the board? You see how she marks his work. Other than having a high standard is it correct? Yes, from what I've seen her corrections are correct. I'm just making the point that a big part of her teaching methodology is having them read and practice by copying. I'm seeing she makes a reasonable number of errors, so it's not a stretch to assume that the kids are reading and copying errors. Will it kill them? No. Is it cool? No.
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Post by milee on Sept 17, 2012 10:13:54 GMT -5
No, it's not a one time thing. I'm not that big a bitch. One, two or even three errors from the beginning of school until now wouldn't have even caused me to pause. Multiple errors (sometimes spelling, sometimes grammar) on multiple homework handouts, parent letters, her website, etc. are the problem. The fact that she's tough on the kids is just an added irritant.
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Post by swamp on Sept 17, 2012 10:13:56 GMT -5
I'm not in the class all day. How do I know if she's spelling correctly and using proper grammar in her teaching? Given the constant errors in what she sends home (and some of the errors are on letters just to parents and some are on the actual homework handouts for the children), there's a reasonable chance she's not teaching them correctly. A large part of her methodology is to write things on the board or give them a handout to copy. How often is she misspelling things or using incorrect grammar on the board? oh - wow - so this isn't a one time thing but continuous errors and typos? photocopy red pen mail anonymously each and every time! Can I help?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2012 10:15:55 GMT -5
I'm not looking to give you a hard time, really. As long as my kid was learning proper spelling, writing and grammar I would laugh my head off at the irony of it. And if you can get past any anger you have about it you would be able to talk to the teacher about it. You can get away with almost any conversation as long as you are not being angry about it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2012 10:16:38 GMT -5
Bring it up to the administration of the school.
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Post by swamp on Sept 17, 2012 10:19:00 GMT -5
Bring it up to the administration of the school. Yes, going over the teacher's head to the principal will win Milee an award wtih the teacher. It will be an unpleasant conversation to have with the teacher, but it has to be said. Especially when computers have spell check and grammar check.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2012 10:20:12 GMT -5
Bring it up to the administration of the school. Yes, going over the teacher's head to the principal will win Milee an award wtih the teacher. It will be an unpleasant conversation to have with the teacher, but it has to be said. Especially when computers have spell check and grammar check. They give awards for that? Sweet. My 6th grade teacher used to give out a piece of candy if anyone found a typo in a book.
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Post by milee on Sept 17, 2012 10:24:12 GMT -5
I'm not looking to give you a hard time, really. As long as my kid was learning proper spelling, writing and grammar I would laugh my head off at the irony of it. And if you can get past any anger you have about it you would be able to talk to the teacher about it. You can get away with almost any conversation as long as you are not being angry about it. This is so true. Have you ever noticed how Southern women especially have this skill? As long as it's said with a huge smile, a sweet voice and the stinging criticism is prefaced or ended by the phrase "bless her heart" those belles can say just about anything. Wish I had that skill. Unfortunately, I know this is not a skill I possess. Too direct. It would end badly.
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Post by GRG a/k/a goldenrulegirl on Sept 17, 2012 11:32:09 GMT -5
I'm not looking to give you a hard time, really. As long as my kid was learning proper spelling, writing and grammar I would laugh my head off at the irony of it. And if you can get past any anger you have about it you would be able to talk to the teacher about it. You can get away with almost any conversation as long as you are not being angry about it. This is so true. Have you ever noticed how Southern women especially have this skill? As long as it's said with a huge smile, a sweet voice and the stinging criticism is prefaced or ended by the phrase "bless her heart" those belles can say just about anything. Wish I had that skill. Unfortunately, I know this is not a skill I possess. Too direct. It would end badly. That's okay Milee. We "direct, get-to-the-point, don't-beat-around-the-bush, give-it-to-them(and-me)-straight" folks will stick together.
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Post by 8 Bit WWBG on Sept 17, 2012 12:02:06 GMT -5
That is the hidden flip-side of being condescending and arrogant to others. Nobody realizes how much work it takes to be so much better than anyone else! Do they appreciate your help? NO! It almost makes it not worth being perfect. Almost...
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Post by Firebird on Sept 17, 2012 12:22:23 GMT -5
Grammar and spelling come naturally to me and always have, so I try to be a little more forgiving when I know they don't come easily to other people. That being said, it would definitely annoy me that the teacher doesn't bother to proofread her own handouts and notes before sending them out.
Spelling is one thing but grammar is another. I would let this one go but if it continued happening and ESPECIALLY if she screwed up the "there/their" difference or something to that effect, I'd have to speak up - because that makes me worry that she's not equipped to be teaching the kids to the standard she's requiring. It is very, very important to me that my kids are taught proper grammar (even more than spelling - grammar check is very unreliable).
(P.S. - if she can catch grammar/spelling mistakes that the kids make, she can catch the ones that SHE makes... or isn't she catching every error?)
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Post by Firebird on Sept 17, 2012 12:25:46 GMT -5
I agree with Milee that making comments now could cause troubles for her DS. However, I would correct and save all these notes during the year and present them to her at the end of the school year with a little note that maybe she really needs to ease up o future 8 year old kids since spelling/grammar is obviously a difficult subject for people of all ages. And since I wouldn't trust her not to find a way to cause trouble (I am a cynic I know) I would keep a copy of everything in that folder. Oh, that's a great idea too. Wait until she can't punish DH anymore and then say something. By presenting evidence to her quietly and politely, the teacher will (hopefully) recognize that you're not looking to humiliate her but to help her identify a shortcoming and she can do better the following year. ETA: I see now this wouldn't work. Too bad.
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Sept 17, 2012 15:23:08 GMT -5
I think I'm try to mention it to the teacher - I know you said you're not going to milee. I'm pretty blunt in real life but something along the lines of "I know you do a lot of teaching by copying for spelling and grammar, are you putting mistakes in for the kids to catch? If you are, how does that work? Because I think it's spilling over into your handouts as I've noticed a few errors on the latest ones."
My 2nd thought was, do you have parent teacher conferences soon? maybe there's a way to bring up then.
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Post by Chocolate Lover on Sept 17, 2012 15:31:55 GMT -5
I see a lot of wrong word errors in my DD's teachers hand outs this year. She is not a native of this country and it's mostly spelling errors that spell check isn't getting because the misspelled word IS a real word, just not the one she wanted. Bellow instead of below for instance. I haven't said anything yet because I don't see it in the school papers, just the notes sent home.
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Post by Peace Of Mind on Sept 17, 2012 15:38:46 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure how I'm going to handle this. Vent on an anonymous internet board and move on with my life. Seriously, I can't think of a single good thing that could possibly happen by pointing this out to the teacher other than embarrassing her and making her defensive. Also, as the teachers have a huge say in future classroom assignments and she's married to an art teacher my son will have for several more years, it would be similarly unhelpful to get in a parting shot at the end of the school year. It's uncool, but it is what it is. This is a situation that is not likely to change and frankly, there are some other things about the school that mean it's not the best fit for my son. Some of that is the school, some of that is my son. I'm trying to work with my son to help him be as successful as possible within the less-than-ideal situation. If it turns out that the issues outweigh the benefits, I will probably homeschool him for a few years until he's middle school age. There are several really good middle school options that would probably be a good fit for him. Good for you! I agree and I had hoped the intention here was to vent and allow us to make fun of the absurdity of it all. I'm sure she will see her own typo one day (if she keeps copies of her notes) and you won't have to say a word!
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Post by 973beachbum on Sept 17, 2012 15:39:44 GMT -5
I'm not in the class all day. How do I know if she's spelling correctly and using proper grammar in her teaching? Given the constant errors in what she sends home (and some of the errors are on letters just to parents and some are on the actual homework handouts for the children), there's a reasonable chance she's not teaching them correctly. A large part of her methodology is to write things on the board or give them a handout to copy. How often is she misspelling things or using incorrect grammar on the board? oh - wow - so this isn't a one time thing but continuous errors and typos? photocopy red pen mail anonymously mail anomoymously to principal each and every time! Fixed.
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