WTE is WRONG with people?????????

[GRG a/k/a goldenrulegirl]

abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/state&id=8695569




Oscar Lopez videotaped his next door neighbor, Anthony Sanchez, beating his 6 year old son repeatedly with a belt in his backyard...because the boy couldn't catch the baseballs Sanchez was throwing to him.

OMG. The poor little boy pleading not to be hit, again, and again.

I am just beside myself with sadness.

I have no doubt he is beaten regularly for other inconsequential things.

Worse yet, the boy's grandparents support the stepfather.

I will take him, now, in a heartbeat. No questions asked. No further responsibility on his family's part.

Simply no excuse. It just sickens me.

[Waffle]

I don't understand the neighbor either. Why on earth did he think it was necessary to post the video on youtube and Facebook. Why not just give it directly to the police?

[GRG a/k/a goldenrulegirl]

Jun 9, 2012 18:11:40 GMT -5 Waffle said:

I don't understand the neighbor either. Why on earth did he think it was necessary to post the video on youtube and Facebook. Why not just give it directly to the police?

He did give it to the police.

As far as also posting it on Youtube and FB, I'm all for it. The stepfather is an elected official in the area. He is also works for a lending company. *I'd* want to know if I was a registered voter or loan customer in that area.

And, if nothing else, it might save another little boy a similar beating.

[Waffle]

If you were the kid - would you want your beating all over the internet for everyone you knew to see? I've never been beaten - but I don't think I'd like that.

[GRG a/k/a goldenrulegirl]

Jun 9, 2012 18:19:18 GMT -5 Waffle said:

If you were the kid - would you want your beating all over the internet for everyone you knew to see? I've never been beaten - but I don't think I'd like that.

Huh.

I guess if I was a kid, I wouldn't care about who saw the beating...I'd just want it to stop.

Did you watch the video?

(I'm asking in a curious, not interrogational, tone) Do you think a 6 year old should be beaten for not catching a baseball? (Most 6 year olds can't catch baseballs. They don't develop the hand and eye coordination until 8 or older. )

[Waffle]

Yes, I watched the video. No, I don't think any child should be beaten.

Maybe, I was reading too much into what wasn't in the article. But there was nothing in there about the neighbor calling the police while the beating was taking place. I suspect if he had called the police right away, he wouldn't have had time to post the video to Facebook and Youtube.

I realize this isn't the main issue here. But the posting the video to facebook and Youtube just bothers me.

[Wisconsin Beth]

I won't watch the video. I hate child abuse.

[zibazinski]

I don't know. Public shame can be a good thing. We should do it for more things. Also, the hue and cry over this makes it hard for CPS to cover it up or the parents.

[8 Bit WWBG]

Pity he doesn't live in Sparta. That sort of behavior was the norm. There was no Spartan CPS, thats for sure!

[happyhoix]

"And, if nothing else, it might save another little boy a similar beating. "

It won't. It will just make the dad more careful to beat the kid privately.

I had an abusive mom who would beat us. Her weapon of choice was either a yardstick, broom or wire hanger.

In her mind, she beat us because we deserved it. It was our fault she had to beat us, if we just behaved properly, she won't have to beat us. She didn't consider what she did wrong at all.

(Actually, because most of the time she beat us because she was unhappy or depressed, not really due to anything we did - most of the beatings I got were because she thought I looked at her 'that way' - it didn't really matter how we behaved, she just liked taking her frustrations out on us.)

This guy will keep beating his kid, he just won't do it where anyone else can see. My mom was always careful not to beat us when other adults were around. People that vent their rage beating a kid can't (or don't want to) stop, IMHO, because then they'd have to find another, less satisfying way to blow off steam. It's kind of like being a pediphile, it's something they can't really change.

Hopefully the little boy will make it through his crappy childhood and go on to great success - most of us do.

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[zibazinski]

Amen. Some of us choose to be better parents and some of us choose not to be parents. And some people wondered why I'd rather my children dead than raised by my mother. One person suffering is beyond enough.

[Firebird]

Worse yet, the boy's grandparents support the stepfather.

Probably because they did the same to their kids

This asshole should be in prison.

[Firebird]

And you know what, I'm glad he taped the beating to show the police but isn't there something more productive he could have been doing - like CALLING the police, or at least yelling at the man to stop? Sheesh. Most people wouldn't stand by while an animal was beaten like that.

[Sum Dum Gai]

Friggin sports parents. Did you guys catch the part that the guy is a coach for a t-ball and soccer team? I'll bet dollars to donuts he wanted his kid to be the star player for his team to stroke his own ego. We have a few parents in our softball organization that I wonder about what goes on at home. It's disgusting. Beating a child is always wrong, but doing it over something that petty and ridiculous... Jesus H. Christ. How pathetic is your life if your kid's sports performance at 6 is that big a deal?

[Firebird]

Beating a child is always wrong, but doing it over something that petty and ridiculous... Jesus H. Christ.

Actually, I think it's worse when parents beat their kids over something "legitimate." If they beat you over something obviously stupid, it's easier to say (once you grow up and get a little distance) "yeah, my dad was totally fucked in the head as evidenced by the fact that he beat me over nothing, he's clearly nuts."

If they beat you over "something," it's easier to rationalize and harder to get out of that "well, I was a little brat and probably did have it coming even if Pop went a little overboard that one time."

[hockeygrl]

Didn't watch the video. I've seen enough firsthand. If one of my neighbors was beating a child, s/he would be dead or in jail. Period. I would personally perform either community service. The child in this case is the person whose needs must be addressed first and foremost, no matter the outcome.

[Jaguar]

Jun 13, 2012 18:26:52 GMT -5 Sum Dum Gai said:

Friggin sports parents. Did you guys catch the part that the guy is a coach for a t-ball and soccer team? I'll bet dollars to donuts he wanted his kid to be the star player for his team to stroke his own ego. We have a few parents in our softball organization that I wonder about what goes on at home. It's disgusting. Beating a child is always wrong, but doing it over something that petty and ridiculous... Jesus H. Christ. How pathetic is your life if your kid's sports performance at 6 is that big a deal?

[zibazinski]

I remember years ago, my first year of teaching in Florida. We had to conference with all parents then and this guy who had the sweetest little boy who was maybe 5 or 6, just a cutie pie anyway. He was furious because the boy received an S in PE. Most kids that age got an S because they were little and couldn't do a lot. But you would have thought the little kid tortured small animals! The dad was ballistic and no matter how much I tried to explain that his child was normal for his age, that wasn't cutting it. The wife was embarrassed because she could tell we all thought he was crazy but I always wondered about that poor child's life.

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Jun 14, 2012 0:31:01 GMT -5 hockeygrl said:

Didn't watch the video. I've seen enough firsthand. If one of my neighbors was beating a child, s/he would be dead or in jail. Period. I would personally perform either community service. The child in this case is the person whose needs must be addressed first and foremost, no matter the outcome.

killing a guy over hitting a kid with a belt is a tad bit extreme, no?

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Jun 14, 2012 7:55:08 GMT -5 @lonewolf said:

Jun 14, 2012 7:51:20 GMT -5 ArchietheDragon said:

killing a guy over hitting a kid with a belt is a tad bit extreme, no?

I am so adamantly against child abuse, that under the right circumstances, I could probably do it.

Sheesh, what about person abuse?

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Jun 14, 2012 7:58:34 GMT -5 @lonewolf said:

Jun 14, 2012 7:55:56 GMT -5 ArchietheDragon said:

Sheesh, what about person abuse?

I'd have no sympathy for someone who is making a choice to hurt a defenseless child.

You don't need to have sympathy for them, but you don't thinking killing them is also abusive?

[zibazinski]

Nope, I think it is doing all mankind a service. If you beat a defenseless child, there is something seriously wrong with you and you should be not around to do it to others. I suppose if the stepfather was locked up for ten years and had the crap beaten out of him or was somebody's girlfriend, that might be justice after all. But that doesn't happen.

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Jun 14, 2012 8:28:33 GMT -5 zibazinski said:

Nope, I think it is doing all mankind a service. If you beat a defenseless child, there is something seriously wrong with you and you should be not around to do it to others. I suppose if the stepfather was locked up for ten years and had the crap beaten out of him or was somebody's girlfriend, that might be justice after all. But that doesn't happen.

So it is ok for you to kill someone, but not for him to hit a kid with a belt. What if that kid had beat up a another kid? Would the father be ok hitting him then?

[zibazinski]

I used to think if we cut off a rapists penis, that might stop them from raping, but then I learned as I got older that it isn't about sex at all, so doing that doesn't work. So removing them, one way or the other, from society permanently, is the better choice. Same with pedophiles. When they flat out tell you they can't be cured and can't stop themselves, listen to them and lock them up and throw away the key!

[zibazinski]

The kid was 6. How bad could he have beaten up another kid? This isn't about that anyway.

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Jun 14, 2012 8:31:19 GMT -5 zibazinski said:

The kid was 6. How bad could he have beaten up another kid? This isn't about that anyway.

It is to me.

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Jun 14, 2012 8:32:05 GMT -5 @lonewolf said:

Jun 14, 2012 8:30:01 GMT -5 ArchietheDragon said:

So it is ok for you to kill someone, but not for him to hit a kid with a belt. What if that kid had beat up a another kid?

I'd never physically hurt a kid, regardless of what he did.
Sorry, just the way I feel about child abuse. You have not a clue as to what I've seen.

I feel that way too. I feel that way about adults, too.

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Jun 14, 2012 8:33:25 GMT -5 @lonewolf said:

Jun 14, 2012 8:32:03 GMT -5 ArchietheDragon said:

It is to me.

Why?

because I am against violence.

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Jun 14, 2012 8:34:08 GMT -5 @lonewolf said:

Jun 14, 2012 8:33:08 GMT -5 ArchietheDragon said:

I feel that way too. I feel that way about adults, too.

Adults have choices, kids don't.

Kids have plenty of choices. what kind of choices do kids not have?