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Post by hoops902 on Jun 8, 2012 10:11:43 GMT -5
I see what you mean. You wanted a specific reason? I guess I can understand that. No, I just think it's reasonable that in the future if our posts are going to be deleted, that someone tell us why. As opposed to telling us that we aren't entitled to know why they were deleted. Specific as far as "OP asked it be deleted", "the thread was not PG-13", "the thread turned nasty" are fine by me. I don't get the whole "we'll just delete them, and not tell you that they were deleted, figure it out for yourself and make a guess as to why we deleted your posts". Which is basically what "you're not entitled to know why the thread is gone" boils down to. Again, I think the 2 in the title of this thread were handled fine, which goes back to my point that I think the administration is far better than the explanation of the administration.
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Jun 8, 2012 10:18:48 GMT -5
You raise good points, hoops. I'm just glad I don't have to make the decisions. Maybe if we are all just civil to one another, there will be no need for further deletions OR explanations. You have a good day. I better get to work before I'm on the money threads asking how best to budget my unemployment!!
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Post by Angel! on Jun 8, 2012 10:21:42 GMT -5
You and I, Angel, have argued about a lot of things - but I still consider you one of my YM buddies. I have a lot of respect for you and very much look forward to our discussions, especially our disagreements. Don't worry we are still YM buddies It is only a few people that seem to continuously use "honesty" as an excuse to be mean. I just keep letting myself get involved in arguments with the same people & it isn't worth it. Your point about the ignore button is well taken. I have just made a personal decision to be much more conscientious of what & when I post to avoid the same arguments with the same posters. I just think it is sad that a few nasty posters are driving away fellow posters like STL & Shasta, especially when they actually are going through a rough time & really could use some friends. Didn't toughtimes leave for pretty much the same reason also?
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Post by milee on Jun 8, 2012 10:25:21 GMT -5
OK, at the risk of sounding nasty, I always figured the mods asked toughtimes to leave because she was so nasty to people. I guess it's all about perception; we all view statements differently.
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Post by chiver78 on Jun 8, 2012 10:30:47 GMT -5
Didn't toughtimes leave for pretty much the same reason also? um....toughtimes was pretty nasty most of the time herself.
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Post by swamp on Jun 8, 2012 10:31:35 GMT -5
Didn't toughtimes leave for pretty much the same reason also? um....toughtimes was pretty nasty most of the time herself. Am I the only one that found her hysterically funny? Although I don't think she intended to be funny.........
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Post by movingforward on Jun 8, 2012 10:36:02 GMT -5
I thought toughtimes was hilarious as well...
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Jun 8, 2012 10:39:16 GMT -5
Nope. I found her to be quite funny and intelligent. I only found that she got nasty because everytime she'd post - regardless of the subject matter - she drew nasty people like horseshit draws flies. She'd post - people would attack her. I'd get nasty, too, if everytime I said something, somebody would have a mean remark. She was a bit....careful....about things and people made fun of that all the time.
I'm not saying she didn't start it sometimes but that was my observation.
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Post by Angel! on Jun 8, 2012 10:46:54 GMT -5
OK, at the risk of sounding nasty, I always figured the mods asked toughtimes to leave because she was so nasty to people. I guess it's all about perception; we all view statements differently. If this is the case, then the mods need to encourage of few others to leave. I never thought toughtimes was nasty, she just had an incredibly negative outlook on life. The worst case scenario always was the most likely to occur in her opinion. She didn't look at someone & say "well your low income, horrible spouse, or whatever is clearly your own fault because of X,Y,Z" She was more along the lines of "Your low income is the fault of the govt & school systems that keep people down on purpose so we can all be sheep" & "Horrible spouses are incredibly common, one of my best friends married the perfect guy until he got hooked on Oxy & went on a shooting rampage killing 10 people". She was actually a pretty good person to talk to if you want to play the victim card. She was definitely negative, but not nasty like a few other posters. I thought she left because her negativity always drew nasty comments from others who picked on her for always being negative.
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Post by milee on Jun 8, 2012 10:51:37 GMT -5
You're right, Angel. Negative is a better way to describe her than nasty.
Who knows? Maybe the devil landlord finally got her or she ended up in one of those life and death battles with her secret weapon umbrella?
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Post by whoisjohngalt on Jun 8, 2012 10:54:36 GMT -5
I think TT was very very tough with very thick skin. The comments and insults that people threw at her would probably ban them if they were doing it to "nicer" poster. She was never nasty, just had a very scary reality of life.
Lena
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Post by swamp on Jun 8, 2012 10:56:20 GMT -5
I think TT was very very tough with very thick skin. The comments and insults that people threw at her would probably ban them if they were doing it to "nicer" poster. She was never nasty, just had a very scary reality of life. Lena actually, she could be nasty. she wished testicular cancer on Miss Tequila.
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Post by moxie on Jun 8, 2012 10:58:29 GMT -5
she wished testicular cancer on Miss Tequila. Sorry...OMG!!
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Green Eyed Lady
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Jun 8, 2012 10:59:21 GMT -5
I snorted.
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Post by moxie on Jun 8, 2012 10:59:28 GMT -5
I think I would have really liked toughtimes.
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Post by Firebird on Jun 8, 2012 11:01:04 GMT -5
I think overall they do a really good job, I actually think they do a much better job at administration than they do at explaining the administration. It's the explanations that seem odd, the whole "you aren't entitled to know why we deleted your posts" thing in particular. I understand that they think it should always be obvious. But as Hoops noted, the scope of what's acceptable seems to vary widely from post to post, although that may be in part due to the fact that most people (like me) are loathe to report posts. As I mentioned yesterday, I've only done it twice in my entire history on the boards (which is at least five years running).
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Post by Firebird on Jun 8, 2012 11:04:31 GMT -5
By the way, has anyone actually read the CoC recently? Do these two parts seem somewhat contradictory in nature to anyone else? Addendum 1
Posts that:
are designed to bait someone into saying something against the CoC are filled with insults are deliberately inflammatory towards another poster
will be deleted.
Further actions, such as bans, will be determined by moderators depending on severity.
Addendum 2
Posters who choose not to use the IGNORE button for posters they do not care for should not expect moderators to be overly sympathetic to complaints that are not serious in nature. If there is a threat made, or a real personal attack, then yes we want to hear about it. If, however, you just don't happen to like them/ their point of view or feel like they are 'picking on you', we are probably not going to get involved. That strikes me as a very fine line when you're talking about a thin-skinned poster like sugarfly (sorry to keep picking on her, but she's the one that comes to mind). Yes, some of our posts were "inflammatory" mostly because she didn't like it when people disagreed with her. Were we the problem, or was she?
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Post by Firebird on Jun 8, 2012 11:08:54 GMT -5
I just think it is sad that a few nasty posters are driving away fellow posters like STL & Shasta, especially when they actually are going through a rough time & really could use some friends. Didn't toughtimes leave for pretty much the same reason also?
Huh, I didn't even noticed that she left. I didn't care much for her posts but I can't say I had a particular problem with her.
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Post by movingforward on Jun 8, 2012 11:10:40 GMT -5
OK, at the risk of sounding nasty, I always figured the mods asked toughtimes to leave because she was so nasty to people. I guess it's all about perception; we all view statements differently. If this is the case, then the mods need to encourage of few others to leave. I never thought toughtimes was nasty, she just had an incredibly negative outlook on life. The worst case scenario always was the most likely to occur in her opinion. She didn't look at someone & say "well your low income, horrible spouse, or whatever is clearly your own fault because of X,Y,Z" She was more along the lines of "Your low income is the fault of the govt & school systems that keep people down on purpose so we can all be sheep" & "Horrible spouses are incredibly common, one of my best friends married the perfect guy until he got hooked on Oxy & went on a shooting rampage killing 10 people". She was actually a pretty good person to talk to if you want to play the victim card. She was definitely negative, but not nasty like a few other posters. I thought she left because her negativity always drew nasty comments from others who picked on her for always being negative. Yes, her negativity is often what made me LOL. Like swamp said I don't think she was trying to be funny (which honestly made it even funnier). Seriously, I do think that toughtimes did bring something to the board though because it seemed like she was close to a lot of people who were down on their luck and had serious disabilities, etc. I think her negativity was drawn off of her own relationships with real people.
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Post by whoisjohngalt on Jun 8, 2012 11:14:31 GMT -5
Fair enough. I shouldn't have said "never".
But I think in a lot of cases people were much meaner to HER than she was to them.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2012 11:24:46 GMT -5
tt was the yin to my yang.
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Post by 8 Bit WWBG on Jun 8, 2012 11:35:30 GMT -5
...:::"I think overall they do a really good job, I actually think they do a much better job at administration than they do at explaining the administration. It's the explanations that seem odd, the whole "you aren't entitled to know why we deleted your posts" thing in particular.":::...
This feeling was the basis for my comment yesterday about "lets continue how we were BEFORE the issues". Some systems work best when not scrutinized, and adding scrutiny derails them.
I am thankful I'm given enough leeway to exercise judgment. Some moderators are essentially puppets of the forum owner, forbidden from using their own interpretations.
ETA: Toughtimes made her own choice via her actions. I don't want anyone thinking she was asked to leave.
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Post by femmefatale on Jun 8, 2012 11:42:32 GMT -5
tt was the yin to my yang. Yin yang is my fave symbol, beer.
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Post by midjd on Jun 8, 2012 11:57:21 GMT -5
I saw the "testicular cancer" thread and this was true then, as well. Four or five people ganging up on her on the anniversary of her mother's death. It was pretty disgusting.
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Jun 8, 2012 12:04:04 GMT -5
That makes me really sad. Were these actions on the part of the "four or five people" addressed?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2012 12:08:18 GMT -5
I saw the "testicular cancer" thread and this was true then, as well. Four or five people ganging up on her on the anniversary of her mother's death. It was pretty disgusting. I can tell you without certainty that those people had NO IDEA that it was the Anniversary of her Mom's death and I am confident that none of them knew how her Mom died either. TT took an offhanded joke about boobs to heart. It is not the poster's fault that TT was hurt by what was said, since it was intended to be funny, not malicious.
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Post by Apple on Jun 8, 2012 12:09:43 GMT -5
I saw the "testicular cancer" thread and this was true then, as well. Four or five people ganging up on her on the anniversary of her mother's death. It was pretty disgusting. Actually, NO ONE knew it was around the anniversary of her mother's death when she wished cancer on tina. There was a common "were you not breastfed as a child" joke/comment written/asked because of the negativity and the next post from tt was cussing her out, accusing her of making fun of breast cancer because that's how her mom died, and a big leap of intent, and wishing all kinds of cancer on her. She turned it to testicular cancer when someone told her tina was really a 12-year-old boy. No one had been making fun of her mom, or of breast cancer, when she posted that.
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Post by Apple on Jun 8, 2012 12:10:53 GMT -5
Beer--we need to restock on the booze here in your head. The last visitors must have drank it all.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2012 12:11:30 GMT -5
No kidding! Well said, BTW!
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Post by swasat on Jun 8, 2012 12:14:11 GMT -5
I saw the "testicular cancer" thread and this was true then, as well. Four or five people ganging up on her on the anniversary of her mother's death. It was pretty disgusting. I read that thread too though did not participate in it. As apple and beerwench mentioned, it was tt who started the negativity and name calling. No one knew that it was her mother's death anniversary. She started spitting out cuss words and what not and the thread derailed from there. In the that thread at least I will give full credit to Miss Tequila that she did not take it to heart and made fun of all things tt threw at her. tt was pretty nasty and thats why she got ganged up on. The posters here can't be blamed for joking on a thread if they have NO IDEA about another poster's private life or frame of mind.
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