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Post by The Captain on Jun 8, 2012 8:41:27 GMT -5
Huh.... I'm kind of a jerk. ;D
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Green Eyed Lady
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Jun 8, 2012 8:46:34 GMT -5
Hoops? Do you think it's possible to post all rules? Here's how I see it.
Little Johnny goes to his first day of Kindergarten. On the board are the following rules:
1. Raise your hand before speaking. 2. Stay in your seat until given permission to get up. 3. Say "Please" and "Thank You". 4. Be a helper bee.
Now the next day, Little Johnny gets mad at Little Hoops, brings some pliers to school and pinches Hoops' nose with them. That wasn't on the posted rules, so why not?
The next day, on the board is:
5. You may not pinch other students' noses with pliers.
Don't you think that situations come up necessitating action that isn't exactly outlined anywhere? I figure if we all act like adults and aren't nasty to one another or don't post anything that is against Proboards Code of Conduct, we are ok.
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Post by swasat on Jun 8, 2012 8:48:02 GMT -5
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Post by 8 Bit WWBG on Jun 8, 2012 9:01:51 GMT -5
What you see throughout a lot of this debate is people balancing the "human compassion" factor against the "administration" factor. I've been admin/mod of many boards over the years, and I always maintained the stance that at the end of the day, those in charge are in charge and can do as they please.
That being said, I CHOOSE to do my best to consider people's feelings in matters like this, and accommodate as best as I can. I think that is my ideal balance of leadership.
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hoops902
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Post by hoops902 on Jun 8, 2012 9:09:04 GMT -5
"Don't you think that situations come up necessitating action that isn't exactly outlined anywhere? I figure if we all act like adults and aren't nasty to one another or don't post anything that is against Proboards Code of Conduct, we are ok. "
You don't have to post ALL the rules, but we shouldn't come in one day and the rule is "X", and then tomorrow the rule is "Opposite of X".
Little Johnny shouldn't come into school 3 days after pinching Little Hoops nose and get suspended, and when asked why hear "I don't have to tell you why, you just are". The teacher shouldn't tell Little Johnny to put his lunch in the refrigerator for the first month of school, and tomorrow when he does the same thing have the teacher throw it out because he's not allowed to put his lunch in the refrigerator anymore without ever telling him.
Lest anyone think this is sour grapes, I've never been banned, suspended, or had my posts deleted ever. Mostly what I don't understand however is the "this needs to stay PG-13", talk about being murdered by a mentally unstable abuser is fine, as is talk about which posters you'd like to have sex with and alcohol/drugs...but talking about trimming body hair is too mature. It's not that the rules aren't laid out, it's the rules changing without notice and rules being administered in completely random ways that leads to confusion.
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Post by moxie on Jun 8, 2012 9:11:22 GMT -5
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Green Eyed Lady
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Jun 8, 2012 9:11:24 GMT -5
What you see throughout a lot of this debate is people balancing the "human compassion" factor against the "administration" factor. I've been admin/mod of many boards over the years, and I always maintained the stance that at the end of the day, those in charge are in charge and can do as they please. That being said, I CHOOSE to do my best to consider people's feelings in matters like this, and accommodate as best as I can. I think that is my ideal balance of leadership. That's has truth to it, WW, but if you administrate a board doing what you please, regardless of the feelings of your members, at the end of the day, you are going to be administrating nothing but an empty board. I give you for example another board (I won't mention the name) who averages 6 posters a day because the admin there picks favorites and adminstrates according to her mood and current estrogen level. You (and the rest of the mods) have chosen well when you consider others's feelings. I'm not saying you should bow to anything asked of you - not at all. But you at least seem to listen and take into consideration what people are saying. And I do appreciate that.
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Green Eyed Lady
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Jun 8, 2012 9:14:03 GMT -5
"Don't you think that situations come up necessitating action that isn't exactly outlined anywhere? I figure if we all act like adults and aren't nasty to one another or don't post anything that is against Proboards Code of Conduct, we are ok. " You don't have to post ALL the rules, but we shouldn't come in one day and the rule is "X", and then tomorrow the rule is "Opposite of X". Little Johnny shouldn't come into school 3 days after pinching Little Hoops nose and get suspended, and when asked why hear "I don't have to tell you why, you just are". The teacher shouldn't tell Little Johnny to put his lunch in the refrigerator for the first month of school, and tomorrow when he does the same thing have the teacher throw it out because he's not allowed to put his lunch in the refrigerator anymore without ever telling him. Lest anyone think this is sour grapes, I've never been banned, suspended, or had my posts deleted ever. Mostly what I don't understand however is the "this needs to stay PG-13", talk about being murdered by a mentally unstable abuser is fine, as is talk about which posters you'd like to have sex with and alcohol/drugs...but talking about trimming body hair is too mature. It's not that the rules aren't laid out, it's the rules changing without notice and rules being administered in completely random ways that leads to confusion. I do understand part of that. I've seen lots of posts about getting hammered 24/7 and lots of BJ references that I thought were way less PG-13 than the grooming thread. But you and I aren't mods and it isn't our decision. I'd miss this place, Hoops, if it suddenly wasn't here because Proboards shut it down over stuff they deemed profane. So I just try to be good.
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Post by moxie on Jun 8, 2012 9:15:47 GMT -5
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Post by moxie on Jun 8, 2012 9:19:02 GMT -5
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Moxie.. DO NOT bring stuff from 'there' to this board - not EVER.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2012 9:22:25 GMT -5
Moon believes PM's are private.
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Post by hoops902 on Jun 8, 2012 9:24:54 GMT -5
"But you and I aren't mods and it isn't our decision.
I'd miss this place, Hoops, if it suddenly wasn't here because Proboards shut it down over stuff they deemed profane. So I just try to be good. "
But according to the mods, it's not THEIR decision either, it's a mandate from Proboards that they have no choice but to follow. But it's only being followed sporadically. I don't have a problem with borderline threads being stopped, shut down, or posts deleted. I'm ok with a "better safe than sorry" attitude. I just don't understand the logic behind spending time shutting down borderline material and then leaving up material wthich is blatantly over the line.
It creates confusion over what anyone deems to be PG-13 material. Frankly just some of the language (whore, bitch, etc) would seem to me to be more than PG-13, but then I see mods and admins using foul language to I presume it must be ok.
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Post by moxie on Jun 8, 2012 9:24:58 GMT -5
"Moon believes PM's are private." So, you are saying then that moon wouldn't resort to blocking my incoming/outgoing pms over a vendetta she may have? Good to know... That's the right thing...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2012 9:26:08 GMT -5
"Moon believes PM's are private." So, you are saying then that moon wouldn't resort to blocking my incoming/outgoing pms over a vendetta she may have? Good to know... That's the right thing... I can see blocking the PM feature for someone if they were using PM's to harrass other posters.
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Post by moxie on Jun 8, 2012 9:28:56 GMT -5
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Moxie.. that is enough.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jun 8, 2012 9:29:56 GMT -5
"But you and I aren't mods and it isn't our decision. I'd miss this place, Hoops, if it suddenly wasn't here because Proboards shut it down over stuff they deemed profane. So I just try to be good. " But according to the mods, it's not THEIR decision either, it's a mandate from Proboards that they have no choice but to follow. But it's only being followed sporadically. I don't have a problem with borderline threads being stopped, shut down, or posts deleted. I'm ok with a "better safe than sorry" attitude. I just don't understand the logic behind spending time shutting down borderline material and then leaving up material wthich is blatantly over the line. It creates confusion over what anyone deems to be PG-13 material. Frankly just some of the language (whore, bitch, etc) would seem to me to be more than PG-13, but then I see mods and admins using foul language to I presume it must be ok. Moon has specifically said we can say "fuck" as long as we don't mean it in a sexual way...
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Post by moxie on Jun 8, 2012 9:31:05 GMT -5
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Post by moxie on Jun 8, 2012 9:31:31 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2012 9:31:54 GMT -5
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Post by moxie on Jun 8, 2012 9:31:59 GMT -5
^I don't mean that sexually either.
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Post by moxie on Jun 8, 2012 9:32:57 GMT -5
I can say menstruates, right?
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Post by moxie on Jun 8, 2012 9:33:48 GMT -5
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Green Eyed Lady
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Jun 8, 2012 9:37:20 GMT -5
"But you and I aren't mods and it isn't our decision. I'd miss this place, Hoops, if it suddenly wasn't here because Proboards shut it down over stuff they deemed profane. So I just try to be good. " But according to the mods, it's not THEIR decision either, it's a mandate from Proboards that they have no choice but to follow. But it's only being followed sporadically. I don't have a problem with borderline threads being stopped, shut down, or posts deleted. I'm ok with a "better safe than sorry" attitude. I just don't understand the logic behind spending time shutting down borderline material and then leaving up material wthich is blatantly over the line. It creates confusion over what anyone deems to be PG-13 material. Frankly just some of the language (whore, bitch, etc) would seem to me to be more than PG-13, but then I see mods and admins using foul language to I presume it must be ok. I totally get what you are saying. I assume PG13 means that the content shoudl be acceptable for 13 year olds to read. I wouldn't want a 13 year old to read some of the stuff I post and I'm pretty tame! I guess if you see something that you think puts us in danger of getting shut down, let a mod know. I really do think they are doing the best they can if that means being proactive sometimes, then that's what they have to do. I sure would hate having their job.
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Post by femmefatale on Jun 8, 2012 9:44:33 GMT -5
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that is enough!
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Post by hoops902 on Jun 8, 2012 9:45:18 GMT -5
"I really do think they are doing the best they can if that means being proactive sometimes, then that's what they have to do. I sure would hate having their job. "
I think overall they do a really good job, I actually think they do a much better job at administration than they do at explaining the administration. It's the explanations that seem odd, the whole "you aren't entitled to know why we deleted your posts" thing in particular.
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Jun 8, 2012 9:51:50 GMT -5
Don't you think that might have had something to do with the fact that some posters just wouldn't let it go? It was explained as well as possible and several suggestions were offered but they just kept hammering away. Damn! I was about to tell them to shut the hell up and it wasn't my business!
I know my mom used to do that after I'd ask the same question a million times...."BECAUSE I SAID SO"!!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2012 9:55:38 GMT -5
Actually the funny part is that those that asked have let it go several times and then someone shows up from the defend the mods camp and the discussion is revived. ;D
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Jun 8, 2012 9:57:23 GMT -5
Such is message board life, later. You'll find that happens a lot in threads!
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Post by hoops902 on Jun 8, 2012 9:59:00 GMT -5
Don't you think that might have had something to do with the fact that some posters just wouldn't let it go? It was explained as well as possible and several suggestions were offered but they just kept hammering away. Damn! I was about to tell them to shut the hell up and it wasn't my business! I know my mom used to do that after I'd ask the same question a million times...."BECAUSE I SAID SO"!! I think the discussion of the actual threads (stl and leaving) were fine actually. It was more of the idea some people had posed about a note explaining why threads were deleted so people would know what happened that I'm questioning. The response to that was "you're not entitled to even know". Which means if people had posted in that thread, they aren't entitled to know why their post was deleted. The handling of the 2 threads in the title here I thought were handled the right way.
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Jun 8, 2012 10:07:42 GMT -5
I see what you mean. You wanted a specific reason? I guess I can understand that.
I don't get really emotionally invested in anything I post so if it's gone, I really don't care. But I can see how those who post on money threads, etc, that are informative could miss what was in the thread.
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